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[Warden of Silence]

I know all the problems with the Warden returning, but hear me out. 

 

We know the Warden wants to end the Calling and is searching in the West (or not, depending on if the Trespasser epilogue is anything to consider). But regardless, that is a plan. What I think would be absolutely amazing is if we got to play as the Warden during this quest. Something like the Leliana's Song DLC. I know that it would unlikely fit with the plot of the next game, but it could be a DLC. 

 

Now I know not every Warden is alive. I get that. But what about the Warden Commander? Yes, that other silent protagonist for the Awakening DLC. That would work for players who had their Warden's die. 

 

There could have a character customization screen, one that had similar choices to Origins. A voice wouldn't need to be required to work, as it wouldn't be a large scale game or anything. However, a voice modifier of sorts could potentially work. Either option would be fine. 

 

I know the idea is unlikely, but the passing hints just doesn't do it for me. And if the character survey on Facebook is anything to go off of (https://www.dragonag...ty-celebration), a lot of people would love to play as the Warden again. 

[GoldenGail3]

No, leave the HOF be. Nope, nope nope. That's all i want, is for them to leave the HOF be.

[ModernAcademic]

Maybe the HoF will be found dead or lost in his quest for the cure. Maybe DA 4 will be set 10 years after Inquisition and we won't see our old companions anymore (people from Origins, like Leliana and Alistair). But the cure will still figure largely in some way.

 

Many new questions were raised by DA:I, such as the fate of the darkspawn now that there's a possibility the Order of the Grey Wardens will disappear. 

 

Either way, if it DOES appear, it might be like you said: the game begins with a small mission, in which we are following the clues left by the HoF prior to his/her disappearance. We DO find something mysterious, something BIG, and then...our character dies.

 

Another character wakes up, thinking he had a nightmare and the game effectively begins. Or we hear news that the Wardens accidentally woke an Archdemon while searching for something in the Deep Roads. Something like that.

[Semyaza82]

   I don't particularly want the HoF back as a playable character. I'd quite like them to finish their mission (whether they succeed or not) off screen and go back to living the life they had at the end of DA:O.

   I felt very happy with their story being done - my human nobles were either happily married to Alistair or in a shame marriage with Anora (with Zev as their lover), my elf mage had gone through the eluvian with Morrigan, my dwarf noble had returned home as a paragon, etc etc. I said something like this in other threads about bringing back the HoF but: I love my various Wardens, I loved my various Hawkes - but their story for over for me.

[sylvanaerie]

If Romanced Leliana

Spoiler

is the Divine in Trespasser, there is an ending slide that reveals the HoF returned to her and they continued their relationship.  It does not say one way or the other if he/she cured the taint or not.  I am going to assume all HoF's returned from their journey in a similar fashion to whatever they were doing at the end of Origins/Awakenings/WH whatever since they made a point of mentioning the return in Leliana's epilogue slide.

 

Provided they don't monkey around with that, I'm going to take them at their word and put my warden to rest having returned to the business at hand in Ferelden.  I don't need more than that, they tied up the loose ends they dangled at the end of DA2 quite nicely.

 

She was a good protagonist and deserves a chance to rest on her laurels till whatever time she has left has run out.

[vbibbi]

I really don't get the unceasing desire to play as the Warden again. Bioware has said multiple times it's not happening. The cure for the Calling was just a reason why we wouldn't see the Warden in game. Potentially there will be some results from it in future games, but if so, it will either be a codex entry or a new Warden character will pick up that plot thread.

 

More than twelve years have passed since Origins now. After years of constant battle and the lack of proper healthcare in Thedas (see Teagan's rapid aging), I don't think the HOF is going to be in any shape to be a PC again. Plus, after two games of voiced protagonists, it would be a little jarring to go back to an unvoiced one as you propose.

 

As for the idea being popular, what is popular is not always right, and what is right is not always popular.

[hedop85]

What exactly would be so problematic in having several voice actors for your warden? Honestly to this day I don't get how Bioware didn't bother to give us the option to have the Warden as our inquisitor. Just change the end of DA:O to canon and say he/she/it survived. I hated playing with some nobody who was basically a pompous ass or a whiney whimp all the time. Give me my warden back any time. Elven Blood Mage/Arcane Warrior who could solo everything if he wanted. I loved that character and I was gutted to see him reduced to that shitty wartable mission. How hard would it have been to let us design our warden again and have a cutscene with him/her like you had with Hawke. If they didn't want to scare off new players than introduce an origin story. I mean The Witcher always uses Geralt and half the stuff he says or does are references to the books and yet it works.

 

I don't want to play a one armed fool again and tbh I don't want to play as the sort of Inquisition again. Especially now would be a great time to bring the Warden back as the Grey Wardens are in disarray, the Andernfels borders on Tevinter, Morrigan will probably play a huge role in the events to come or her son does and there is a novel out that speaks of the return of the Griffins... how ****** ace would it be to ride Griffins into battle?

[In Exile]

The answer is the absurd some of money it would cost, quite apart from the fact that those VAs may make it impossible to fit the game on one disk. That's just from the technical POV.

Beyond that, there's almost certainly a new protagonist in DA4.

[Eelectrica]

Wouldn't be surprised if they hold a funeral for non US HoF's  near that start of DA4. Gotta be close to the calling by then.

Actually I hope they do something like that. Provide closure for everyone that way.

[kimgoold]

I don't care if I sound like a broken record! I WANT MY HOF BACK!! why do people bang on about how jarring it would be to have an unvoiced character, or they can't accept a voice actor actually voicing the role? Give me Angie Harmon for my female elven Warden and I'm golden.

[In Exile]

Wouldn't be surprised if they hold a funeral for non US HoF's near that start of DA4. Gotta be close to the calling by then.
Actually I hope they do something like that. Provide closure for everyone that way.

I think it will prompt riots. People will come up with plenty of reasons for why their character should dodge the calling.

[Saphiron123]

The answer is the absurd some of money it would cost, quite apart from the fact that those VAs may make it impossible to fit the game on one disk. That's just from the technical POV.
Beyond that, there's almost certainly a new protagonist in DA4.

I know you personally hated the warden and objected to his/her becoming the warden even if it meant surviving in the face of extreme odds, but we've had a new char in da2 and it wasn't as strong a game (granted it was rushed) and DAI which was about as impersonal and sandboxy/mmo style as it could get and the inquisitor had very little personality... This is a series that could use a return to old. Not the weak storytelling of DAI or taking returning to places like redcliff and having zero nostalgia or similarity to the original, but real emphasis on story with a returning protagonist and an option on a new, fleshed out side quests, cinematic scenes and more interactive dialogue (not the wooden cinematic free type from DAI).

In short, dragon age origins 2.

Every warden new and old gets a unique mission by race and class just like in origins to lead them to the main story.

Bioware should be trying yo compete with tw3, because it made DAI look amateur.

[Shechinah]

I know you personally hated the warden and objected to his/her becoming the warden even if it meant surviving in the face of extreme odds, but we've had a new char in da2 and it wasn't as strong a game (granted it was rushed) and DAI which was about as impersonal and sandboxy/mmo style as it could get and the inquisitor had very little personality...

 

That's a matter of personal opinion as it is with many things: there are more than a few who prefer their Hawke and their Inquisitor to their Warden and there are more than a few who feel Dragon Age II and Dragon Age Inquisition were plenty personal especially the former since there were a number who very much liked having a Family and seeing it play out the way it did with the variables provided.

 

In my personal opinion and speaking from my own experiences: There were no bother for me in developing my Inquisitor through dialogue options and in-game actions and I did not feel the game were impersonal.    
 

[In Exile]

I know you personally hated the warden and objected to his/her becoming the warden even if it meant surviving in the face of extreme odds, but we've had a new char in da2 and it wasn't as strong a game (granted it was rushed) and DAI which was about as impersonal and sandboxy/mmo style as it could get and the inquisitor had very little personality... This is a series that could use a return to old. Not the weak storytelling of DAI or taking returning to places like redcliff and having zero nostalgia or similarity to the original, but real emphasis on story with a returning protagonist and an option on a new, fleshed out side quests, cinematic scenes and more interactive dialogue (not the wooden cinematic free type from DAI).

 

I don't hate the Warden - I just dislike Bioware's very poor writing, which (1) sets up a premise that is actively undermined by wanting to be a GW; and then (ii) for absolutely no reason or justification, assumes the HOF wants to be or identifies with the identity of a GW. 

 

But the rest of your criticism... even if I agreed with it, which I don't, it wouldn't prove that the HOF is a better "character". It would just prove that DA:I and DA2 are worse games. 

[Captain Wiseass]

It's never going to happen, Gretchen.

[Lady Artifice]

Wardens have a short shelf life, this was explained pretty early on in Origins. I think they made it clear the character wasn't meant to return as protagonist outside of that game. 

[In Exile]

Wardens have a short shelf life, this was explained pretty early on in Origins. I think they made it clear the character wasn't meant to return as protagonist outside of that game.

In fact DG mentioned he regretted giving them as long a shelf life as he did via the Alistair dialogue.

[Aren]

I don't hate the Warden - I just dislike Bioware's very poor writing, which (1) sets up a premise that is actively undermined by wanting to be a GW; and then (ii) for absolutely no reason or justification, assumes the HOF wants to be or identifies with the identity of a GW. 

 

But the rest of your criticism... even if I agreed with it, which I don't, it wouldn't prove that the HOF is a better "character". It would just prove that DA:I and DA2 are worse games. 

DAO was full of logic holes imho,especially the ending.

The Warden,i never saw that character as a protagonist down to the earth who faced all odds,but more likely as one of the most absurd mary sue.

Aside from the origin intro and Ostagar,that character was a mary sue that's why Duncan was looking for .

[dgcatanisiri]

I hated how they handled Hawke in Inquisition, so honestly, I am MORE THAN content to never see the Warden again, if only because I do not under any circumstances want a former PC to appear as an NPC ever again. The PCs get so much added to them by the players that make them unique, they really can't be a 'one size fits all' when they appear without direct player interface. So no, no more Warden, no more Hawke, no more Inquisitor... I'm happy.

[hedop85]

The answer is the absurd some of money it would cost, quite apart from the fact that those VAs may make it impossible to fit the game on one disk. That's just from the technical POV.

Beyond that, there's almost certainly a new protagonist in DA4.

 

Dude you realize that there were 4 voice options for the Inquisitor this time? 2 female and 2 male. So how would it cost more? You might even add a third voice option for DA4 this is a pretty stupid argument.

 

Why not have the Warden? Solas doesn't know him so he/ she would fit the bill perfectly. Furthermore 2/3 of the Inquisitiors won't be able to fight anymore because they are either warriors (hard to hold a shield or swing a two-handed-weapon with one arm) or rogues (hard to use dual daggers, draw a bow or redraw a crossbow with one arm) and going by the lore so far it would be pretty hard for a mage too (how will you conjure anything with one hand while holding a stick?). So he/she is pretty much out and given that the rest of your mates get older and have stuff to do and are known to Solas intimately it would make sense to have the Warden as a protagonist.

 

Leliana/Cassandra/Vivienne is Divine so they are out either way.

 

Cullen must be the wrong side of 40 by then and was never more than an advisor and it wouldn't make much sense for him to be anything else.

 

Josie is back in Antiva.

 

Cassandra will probably take Cullen's place as the leader of your forces.

 

Varric is Viscount of Kirkwall and so he won't be able to just **** off and go help you, if he does, he is well past 40 by then so chances are he will be your new spymaster.

 

Dorian is deeply involved in a struggle in Tevinter and will most likely not **** off because he would leave all of his allies in harms way and lose massive influence in the imperium and you will need him when you are actually active in Tevinter.

 

Sera will come back but Solas knows her well so that would defeat the point.

 

Blackwall will likely somehow be involved since the Andernfels is near Tevinter but in the end he is a Warden now so no chance he will join you again.

 

Vivienne is the Grand Enchanter or Divine so no chance there.

 

Cole: Maybe but again... Spirit and all that against a powerful mage? Don't see it.

 

The Iron Bull: Intimately known so not really furthermore probably more involved in protecting Dorian from Tevinter assassins in the Civil War.

 

Dagna: Might become the first Dwarfen Mage... would be cool.

 

Let's look at older companions:

 

Isabella: definitely a possibility.

 

Merrill: pretty sure she will return maybe even alongside Hawke as a party member.

 

Fenris: Tevinter? Hell yeah he will be back.

 

Aveline: same as Varric, Vivienne etc.

 

Carver/Bethany: see Blackwall if they were turned into a warden.

 

Anders: No Chance.

 

Sebastian: See Varric etc.

 

Wynne: Most likely dead.

 

Sten: Doubt it... Qun and all that.

 

Zevran: Always on the run, always in hiding... no chance that he will expose himself like that again.

 

Morrigan: Maybe but I doubt it because she wants to hide from Flemmeth.

 

Oghren: Probably a Warden so again: Blackwall and all.

 

Alistair: Either a drunk, king or still warden so... Blackwall, Leliana/Cassandra/Vieviene/Varric or just gone.

 

Shale: Possible and likely as a squishy Dwarf because she went to Tevinter to become a real dwarfette again.

 

So basically apart from 2-3 people there won't be any return into the active parties. Cassandra will probably take Cullen's place and you will need a new Ambassador/Contact to the nobility and a new Spymaster (might actually be Sera). I doubt Leliana will be intimately involved because I think her becoming Divine will become canon. She is the only one to really change the chantry and it feels like that this is the situation the south will be in because in the end the games are about changing things for the better and Leliana is the only one doing that and her chantry is the only one that would have any appeal to the rogue elfes. Your inquisitior will most likely just be a figurehead because of his disability.

 

I think the HoF would be amazing simply because the story is less Grey Wardeny but you will need one because of Weißhaupt. I think you might get Hawke and Merrill in some capacity, Scout Harding, Dagna and Shale.

 

Anyhow... I don't get what is so terrible about a character over whom you had basically total control instead of some cheesy dude or dudette who sputed some cheesy lines. I think many have a really deep connection to their warden just because of the voicelessness in DA:O.

[vbibbi]

You're absolutely right. Because no former NPCs or other PCs could return to DA4, the Warden is the only logical choice. I doubt there is anyone else on the continent who could do anything to stop Solas, even though he doesn't know 99.99% of the population. And someone who has been battling the Taint for over a decade would easily beat any new PCs with one arm tied behind their back. They don't even need a voice, they can just shoot lightning out of their eyes to express their feelings.

[NeverlandHunter]

The Warden certainly insights some emotional reactions  I mean my Warden could definitely beat any new PCs with their arm tied behind their back and shoot lightning from their eyes to make Solas submit to reason, but she's going to give another PC the lime light. 

 

As much as I would like to see the Warden again it's just a nice fantasy. The same way I'd like to see all the past companions meet each other and play important roles in the next game. Even if it is possible it isn't logical and the potential negatives outweigh the potential positives. The voice is just one little issue bringing the Warden back would have.

 

S/he is a great character and was a great protagonist. For everyone who says s/he's reaching her Calling or the taint is wearing them down, I disagree. I think s/he found the cure s/he set out for and will continue to adventure through Thedas. The Warden's story isn't over. I'm sure the Warden will have many adventures in the future, but their spot as the main character of DA is done. The only thing this endless griping about having them back as a protagonist will do is end up making BioWare kill them off so people stop asking, and if that happens I will be very upset. 

 

Ideally I think the next game should have it confirmed the Warden found the cure (if your Warden is dead then have your Orlesian Warden find it) and that should play into the story. To make it seem like the Warden is being productive without bringing them into the story make it so they completed something the new protagonist was going to do. Say the new protagonist is told they must do this (clear out this part of the Deep Roads, find the Architect, or something similar) only to find out that the Warden took care of it and is now going to X to take care of Y. Now there, that's awesome. The Warden is still a relevant badarse, but we don't have to worry about BioWare upsetting us with bad cameos or all the wasted effort that would go into making the Warden the new protagonist. 

[vbibbi]

'Lo, and the Warden journeyed to lands far west and discovered a land untainted by the Blight. And she came back with this great magic called Ye Caller ID, which prevented Wardens everywhere from answering The Calling.

 

 

Warden glances at ringing phone. "Don't answer that."

[leliana's fan]

^{please read my topic- 2 new games with the warden}

[Ponendus]

I would actually be fine with the Hero of Ferelden returning, if the game were a direct sequel to Dragon Age: Origins, in the old engine, with the old mechanics and game design, and with the old team producing it (which will obviously never happen).

 

The fear in me is that the outstanding memories I have (and still relive by replaying to this day) will be ruined if they put the HoF into this new direction they are taking with the franchise.

 

I think its safer to leave it alone where it is and can be cherished.