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[ElementalFury106]

It would be rather impossible for us to have a Qunari protagnist for DA4, even a Tal-Vashoth. Dorian specifically states that Qunari are NOT allowed to just walk around Tevinter, even if they are Tal-Vashoth or honored guests. Unless they retconn this, it's not happening.

 

As for the answering the thread, you pretty much covered all the options I'd like to see

 

Altus Origin: Human Noble Mage

 

Laetan Origin: Human or Elven Mage, Lower Class

 

Soporati Origin: Human or Elven Commoner, Warrior/Rogue

 

Ambassadoria Origin: Dwarf 

 

Servitus Origin: Human or Elven slave (any class)

 

 

So to make this easier to categorize...

 

If you choose a Human, you can have the following as your origin story;

-Altus (Mage only)

-Laetan (Mage only)

-Soporati (Warrior/Rogue)

-Servitus (All classes)

 

If you choose an Elf, you can have the following as your origin story;

-Laetan (Mage only)

-Soporati (Warrior/Rogue)

-Servitus (All classes)

 

If you choose a Dwarf, your origin story is;

-Ambassadoria (Warrior/Rogue)

 

Although I'd scrap the Ambassadoria origin unless they can actually make it connect well to the main plot. Everything else is gold.

[Former_Fiend]

It would be rather impossible for us to have a Qunari protagnist for DA4, even a Tal-Vashoth. Dorian specifically states that Qunari are NOT allowed to just walk around Tevinter, even if they are Tal-Vashoth or honored guests. Unless they retconn this, it's not happening.

 

 

 

 

I've talked to Dorian as a qunari inquisitor and I don't recall him saying anything of the sort. If anything he made it sound like the opposite; that Tevinters fully recognize the difference between Tal'Vashoth and Qunari, and that Tal'Vashoth are allowed in. He has banter with Bull that backs this up, with him and Bull talking about Minrathous, where Bull apparently spent some time before heading south.

[Kurogane335]

I don't want "Qunari" character in the next game if its happens in Tevinter. Dorian has been quite clear about how even Tal-Vashoth aren't allowed to move freely in Tevinter. And in any case, I felt that, sadly, the Adaar didn't brought much of value in Inquisition precisely because he had no culture of its own, no faith of its own and most of his special interactions where "I'm big and horned, but I'm not a Qunari. In fact, I don't know anything about the Qun".

 

Otherwise, I would love for some origins like these :

 

-Human warrior/thief : an Altus-born non-mage (which could lead to some very juicy background, IMHO)

-Human mage : A newly ascended Laetan, whose family was until recently a very poor family of Soporati

-Elf warrior/thief : A slave from some family of Tevinter

-Elf mage : a spy from Fen'Harel who serve as a slave for a Magister (like Calpernia did)

-Dwarf warrior/thief, a member of the Ambassadoria, perhaps born in Tevinter proper or coming from Orzammar

[Former_Fiend]

Where are people getting this conversation from Dorian? Because I've had every conversation with him, including ones on qunari, and I don't remember him ever saying that.

[d1ta]

I want to play as city elf, but one whose lucky enough to serve a decent House (like some of the thi gs that Dorian mention about slaves being well treated). They provide her with protection, education and care. Respected her well enough and love her for her curiosity of knowledge.
If she's a mage, then they teach her how to be a mage proper, setting her for a role as reaserch assistant. If she's mundane, then they're preparing her to be a magekiller and ultimately take up the role of the family's bodyguard.

[Evamitchelle]

Where are people getting this conversation from Dorian? Because I've had every conversation with him, including ones on qunari, and I don't remember him ever saying that.

 

It's a conversation you get in Trespasser if Dorian and Bull got together. Bull wants to follow Dorian to Tevinter, Dorian says it wouldn't be possible.

[Former_Fiend]

It's a conversation you get in Trespasser if Dorian and Bull got together. Bull wants to follow Dorian to Tevinter, Dorian says it wouldn't be possible.

 

Ah. Haven't played Trespasser, was starting to wonder if that was where this was. 

 

Does contradict some things said in the main game, though I suppose that could be less retcon for the sake of relationship drama and more signs of growing tensions between the Qunari and Imperium.

[JadeDragon]

Not really a recton or contradiction I see it has in the past 2 years relations have gotten worse. By the time DA4 takes place if Qunari and Tevinter are at official war I doubt they just gonna let Qunari just stroll around the capital.

[Cobra's_back]

If we were to have origins again, I'd like the chance to finally play as a human commoner or, even better, a human criminal.

I want to be a snarky recovering drunk. Jack Sparrow on the wagon but still funny.

[Former_Fiend]

If they can justify a qunari being accepted by the southern masses as the Herald of motherlovin' Andraste, they can justify an excuse for a qunari to walk around Minrathous. 

[Guitar-Hero]

Slave would be great

[ElementalFury106]

If they can justify a qunari being accepted by the southern masses as the Herald of motherlovin' Andraste, they can justify an excuse for a qunari to walk around Minrathous. 

 

A Qunari walking around Minrathous during the events of DA4 would be like an Elf walking around Val Rouyeax during the Exalted March on the Dales. Most likely not gonna happen.

 

Maybe we'll see some Qunari in Tevinter cities, but as for our protagonist being one...just not gonna happen.

[Shechinah]

A Qunari walking around Minrathous during the events of DA4 would be like an Elf walking around Val Rouyeax during the Exalted March on the Dales. Most likely not gonna happen.

 

Maybe we'll see some Qunari in Tevinter cities, but as for our protagonist being one...just not gonna happen.

 

I do not believe that Tevinter would outlaw and dispose of Qunari slaves especially since I could see them believing that showing someone who resemble their enemy even if it is not in culture in a dehumanized state and the lowest status status could help make the Qunari seem less threatening and fit whichever role Tevinter propaganda assigns them.
 

I consider it to be not be impropable that our protagonist could be Qunari in race hence why I hope for a slave origin amongst many reasons including that I believe it'll allow for all of the previous playable races to be avaliable even dwarf since it would be unthinkable, in my opinion, for there to be exceptions to how dwarven standing usually are in Tevinter.

[Bigdoser]

A Qunari walking around Minrathous during the events of DA4 would be like an Elf walking around Val Rouyeax during the Exalted March on the Dales. Most likely not gonna happen.

 

Maybe we'll see some Qunari in Tevinter cities, but as for our protagonist being one...just not gonna happen.

I think we are getting a Qunari PC considering the events of that is happening in the North it would be a waste not to have a Qunari PC and who knows Qunari might actually be related to the old gods considering they have dragon blood. 

 

Plus Dorian does confirm Tevinter knows the difference between Tal-vashoth and Qunari and notes they are pretty much a whole different people hell I imagine there are loads of Tal-vashoth up north compared to the south. I expect if we do get the option we are going to encounter a lot of racism. 

[dragondreamer]

There's likely Qunari around Minrathous, since Fenris learned what he knows of Qunlat somewhere.  He also mentions having lived most of his life in close proximity to them, which suggests their presence in Tevinter.  Though I imagine it's not easy for the Vashoth/Tal-Vashoth population. 
 

 

Varric: How did you learn to speak Qunari?

Tallis: I wouldn't call what he does "speaking Qunari."

Fenris: I picked it up by listening to them.

Varric: That's the part I don't get. I've almost never heard Qunari talking to each other. They just stand around and glower.

Fenris: That's because they know you're watching. When there's no foreigners around, they gossip and complain just like anyone.

Tallis: Sometimes more. The antaam has made grousing a sport.

 

Anders: You seem to know a lot about the Qunari, Fenris.

Fenris: I spent most of my life in close proximity.

Anders: So you know about these Ben-Hassrath.

Tallis: You could ask me, you know.

Anders: But I'm asking him.

Fenris: The Ben-Hassrath enforce the will of the Qun. They ensure all follow it dictates.

Anders: Like templars?

Fenris: Not quite, but... close enough.

 

[Evamitchelle]

There's likely Qunari around Minrathous, since Fenris learned what he knows of Qunlat somewhere.  He also mentions having lived most of his life in close proximity to them, which suggests their presence in Tevinter.  Though I imagine it's not easy for the Vashoth/Tal-Vashoth population. 
 

 

Fenris spent months of Seheron, which is occupied by the Qunari. IIRC he says that's where he learned Qunlat, after being left there by Danarius. 

[dragondreamer]

Fenris spent months of Seheron, which is occupied by the Qunari. IIRC he says that's where he learned Qunlat, after being left there by Danarius. 

 

Fenris lived most of his life in Minrathous, and he states he's been in close-proximity to Qunari all his life.  He spent a month in Seheron with the Fog Warriors, which aren't Qunari.  Fog Warriors are Seheron natives, humans who were there before the Qunari came along.  They aren't fans of the Qunari, Tevinters, or Tal-Vashoth fighting over their homeland.  They do have some colorful legends about ancient elves though, which may have worked in Fenris' favor. 

[Evamitchelle]

Fenris lived most of his life in Minrathous, and he states he's been in close-proximity to Qunari all his life. He spent a month in Seheron with the Fog Warriors, which aren't Qunari. Fog Warriors are Seheron natives, humans who were there before the Qunari came along. They aren't fans of the Qunari, Tevinters, or Tal-Vashoth fighting over their homeland. They do have some colorful legends about ancient elves though, which may have worked in Fenris' favor.

The wiki outright says that Fenris learned about Qunari culture on Seheron (which he talks about during his Act 2 Questioning Beliefs quest). It's been a while since I've played that scene so I can't tell if that's an accurate description of the conversation.

Also, Fenris only remembers about, what, 3 years of his life before meeting Hawke in Kirkwall ? A large part of it as a fugitive. Most of the life he remembers isn't a very long time. He had to go to Seheron with Danarius first. That plus the time he spent with the Fog Warriors could account for a large part of his life.

I think it's more likely that he learned Qunlat during his time with the Fog Warriors, who are actively fighting Qunari occupation and would have use of knowing their language, rather than as a bodyguard slave in Minrathous.

[dragondreamer]

The wiki outright says that Fenris learned about Qunari culture on Seheron (which he talks about during his Act 2 Questioning Beliefs quest). It's been a while since I've played that scene so I can't tell if that's an accurate description of the conversation.

Also, Fenris only remembers about, what, 3 years of his life before meeting Hawke in Kirkwall ? A large part of it as a fugitive. Most of the life he remembers isn't a very long time. He had to go to Seheron with Danarius first. That plus the time he spent with the Fog Warriors could account for a large part of his life.

I think it's more likely that he learned Qunlat during his time with the Fog Warriors, who are actively fighting Qunari occupation and would have use of knowing their language, rather than as a bodyguard slave in Minrathous.

 

The wiki isn't always right.  And the Fog Warriors being related to the Qunari is a fanon that doesn't seem to die even though I've seen Gaider dispute it before.  What I've quoted comes from Fenris' in-game dialogue.  I remember his Questioning Beliefs quest discussion, and he doesn't talk about the Qunari.  I've played it more times than I recall.  He talks about his month with the Fog Warriors and how he fled from Danarius.

 

He was on the run for three years before meeting Hawke, but that's not where his memory begins.  His memory began with the ritual in which he gained his lyrium markings, which was an unknown number of years before.  He basically loses his childhood, and likely a good chunk of his teens.  Then for years before fleeing Danarius in Seheron, he lived in Minrathous as Danarius' bodyguard.  His time in Seheron was a month, I do remember him saying that.  I can't imagine why Fog Warriors would teach him Qunlat, they hate the Qunari.

[Evamitchelle]

The wiki isn't always right. And the Fog Warriors being related to the Qunari is a fanon that doesn't seem to die even though I've seen Gaider dispute it before. What I've quoted comes from Fenris' in-game dialogue. I remember his Questioning Beliefs quest discussion, and he doesn't talk about the Qunari. I've played it more times than I recall. He talks about his month with the Fog Warriors and how he fled from Danarius.

He was on the run for three years before meeting Hawke, but that's not where his memory begins. His memory began with the ritual in which he gained his lyrium markings, which was an unknown number of years before. He basically loses his childhood, and likely a good chunk of his teens. Then for years before fleeing Danarius in Seheron, he lived in Minrathous as Danarius' bodyguard. His time in Seheron was a month, I do remember him saying that. I can't imagine why Fog Warriors would teach him Qunlat, they hate the Qunari.

Fair enough on the timeline, couldn't look it up myself so I had to rely on the wiki.

I never said the Fog Warriors were related to the Qunari, not sure how you got that from my post. According to Bull's dialogue about Seheron the Fog warriors are basically resistance fighters, trying to get both the Qunari and Tevinter to leave their island. It'd make sense that they'd know at least a bit of Qunlat, which would make them more effective at fighting Qunari occupation. If they expected Fenris to stay long-term they could have taught him as well. A month seems a bit short to learn a language, but Fenris isn't supposed to be perfectly fluent.

[dragondreamer]

Fair enough on the timeline, couldn't look it up myself so I had to rely on the wiki.

I never said the Fog Warriors were related to the Qunari, not sure how you got that from my post. According to Bull's dialogue about Seheron the Fog warriors are basically resistance fighters, trying to get both the Qunari and Tevinter to leave their island. It'd make sense that they'd know at least a bit of Qunlat, which would make them more effective at fighting Qunari occupation. If they expected Fenris to stay long-term they could have taught him as well. A month seems a bit short to learn a language, but Fenris isn't supposed to be perfectly fluent.

 

 

Fenris himself says he learned Qunlat from eavesdropping on Qunari.  This is banter from Mark of the Assassin.

 

Varric: How did you learn to speak Qunari?

Tallis: I wouldn't call what he does "speaking Qunari."

Fenris: I picked it up by listening to them.

Varric: That's the part I don't get. I've almost never heard Qunari talking to each other. They just stand around and glower.

Fenris: That's because they know you're watching. When there's no foreigners around, they gossip and complain just like anyone.

Tallis: Sometimes more. The antaam has made grousing a sport.

 

[Evamitchelle]

Fenris himself says he learned Qunlat from eavesdropping on Qunari. This is banter from Mark of the Assassin.

It seems unlikely that the Qunari would act like there's no foreigners around in Minrathous.

[dragondreamer]

It seems unlikely that the Qunari would act like there's no foreigners around in Minrathous.

 

If they don't think anyone's listening to them, sure.  Fenris would be a foreigner to them no matter where he was listening in, and he still caught something.  What we know is that Fenris spent most of his life in Minrathous, and he says there's been Qunari in close proximity to him all his life, so that indicates he's had exposure to them in Minrathous.  They might have even been slaves for all we know, but more likely they were Tal-Vashoth.

 

During his time in Seheron, his encounter with Qunari involved fighting for his life while they invaded an Imperial controlled city.  I doubt he had a great deal of time to stand around and learn their language.  The rest of his time there was spent with the Fog Warriors, who are human.  After Danarius found him, he ran back to the mainland.

 

Back to the original point, I'm certain there will be some Qunari presence in Tevinter; I just don't expect it's going to be a very pleasant place for them, especially in light of current events.  Vashoth in particular will probably have a hard time.

[myahele]

I want a true commoner/ non-noble human. People mention Hawke, but he doesn't truly count in that he really is of noble blood through his mother's (Amell) line ... with the Staff of Parlathan it's hinted that Hawke can trace their family line to Parlathan, a legendary mage who helped king Calenhad. This means that Hawke are atleast minor nobles somewhere out there.

 

I want a true commoner, maybe a chasind (since we know so little about them outside of Morrighan) although an Avvar is good, too

[catabuca]

I'd really, really like to see a human who isn't a noble, and who has an English accent that isn't posh. Sera proved that not all of us sound like mummy and daddy own a country estate, but try telling the protagonists that.