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[Evamitchelle]

If they don't think anyone's listening to them, sure.  Fenris would be a foreigner to them no matter where he was listening in, and he still caught something.  What we know is that Fenris spent most of his life in Minrathous, and he says there's been Qunari in close proximity to him all his life, so that indicates he's had exposure to them in Minrathous.  They might have even been slaves for all we know, but more likely they were Tal-Vashoth.
 
During his time in Seheron, his encounter with Qunari involved fighting for his life while they invaded an Imperial controlled city.  I doubt he had a great deal of time to stand around and learn their language.  The rest of his time there was spent with the Fog Warriors, who are human.  After Danarius found him, he ran back to the mainland.
 
Back to the original point, I'm certain there will be some Qunari presence in Tevinter; I just don't expect it's going to be a very pleasant place for them, especially in light of current events.  Vashoth in particular will probably have a hard time.

That Fenris managed to eavesdrop on enough Qunari who are relaxed enough to gossip and complain to each other while in the heart of the nation they've been fighting for centuries to pick up on their language seems even more unlikely to me. In Seheron, the Qunari are firmly entrenched, and, as per The World of Thedas Vol. 1, "almost all of the large population of former elven slaves who live on Seheron now hold high roles within the Qunari occupying forces", which would make it rather easy for Fenris not to appear a foreigner. And while the only thing he says about his time with Danarius on Seheron was that they were attacked by Qunari, he spent months with the Fog Warriors (checked DA2 again, he definitely says months - plural - about his time with them), who nursed him back to health (meaning he was probably not fighting anybody). 

 

In the end I just find it much more likely that Fenris picked up Qunlat from being on a Qunari-controlled island who view former elven slaves as potential recruits rather than in the heart of Tevinter where Qunari do not have any compound or embassy they can retreat to and have been considered enemy #1 since the Steel Age. 

 

Basically, my point is that Fenris' knowledge of Qunlat is not proof enough that Qunari (or Tal-Vashoth) can walk around Minrathous freely. Especially when Dorian outright states that they can't. It is possible that some Qunari would be kept at slaves (some of the illustrations in the World of Thedas Vol. 1 definitely seem to suggest so), so a background as a slave could be possible. It's the aftermath that's problematic. A former Qunari slave can't really blend in the way an elf or human could. 

[Kurogane335]

I'm surprised that everyone want the human mage to be an Altus. Wouldn't it open more possibilities for the game story and the involvement in Tevinter politic if the Altus-born was in fact not a mage ? I know that my mind boil with possibilities about it...

[dragondreamer]

That Fenris managed to eavesdrop on enough Qunari who are relaxed enough to gossip and complain to each other while in the heart of the nation they've been fighting for centuries to pick up on their language seems even more unlikely to me. In Seheron, the Qunari are firmly entrenched, and, as per The World of Thedas Vol. 1, "almost all of the large population of former elven slaves who live on Seheron now hold high roles within the Qunari occupying forces", which would make it rather easy for Fenris not to appear a foreigner. And while the only thing he says about his time with Danarius on Seheron was that they were attacked by Qunari, he spent months with the Fog Warriors (checked DA2 again, he definitely says months - plural - about his time with them), who nursed him back to health (meaning he was probably not fighting anybody). 

 

In the end I just find it much more likely that Fenris picked up Qunlat from being on a Qunari-controlled island who view former elven slaves as potential recruits rather than in the heart of Tevinter where Qunari do not have any compound or embassy they can retreat to and have been considered enemy #1 since the Steel Age. 

 

Basically, my point is that Fenris' knowledge of Qunlat is not proof enough that Qunari (or Tal-Vashoth) can walk around Minrathous freely. Especially when Dorian outright states that they can't. It is possible that some Qunari would be kept at slaves (some of the illustrations in the World of Thedas Vol. 1 definitely seem to suggest so), so a background as a slave could be possible. It's the aftermath that's problematic. A former Qunari slave can't really blend in the way an elf or human could. 

 

That's why I said the Qunari he's been listening to are most likely slaves or Tal-Vashoth.  Just because they can't walk about freely doesn't mean there's no Qunari presence.  Again, I don't think things are peachy for them there. 

 

And I give you months in WoT2, although it's been known to contradict details in the games itself.  It forgets Rinna was stated to be an elf in Origins, for example.  (That it was a month sticks with me because it surprised me at the time I heard it.)  Still, months isn't years, and doesn't change the rest of the facts.

 

Fenris tells us himself where he's learned Qunlat.  It wasn't from the Fog Warriors.  He's lived in Minrathous most of his life, and he says he's been around Qunari his entire life, therefore there are Qunari in Minrathous.  Given how hostile things are between Qunari and the Imperium in Seheron, it's highly unlikely Fenris was able to casually eavesdrop on them there during his time with Danarius.  Danarius was also visiting Tevinter controlled territory at the time, and they came under attack by the Qunari.  The rest of his time on Seheron was spent with the Fog Warriors, who hate Qunari.

 

If a Dalish elf can become the Herald of Andraste, I'm quite sure Qunari PCs won't suddenly disappear when we get near Minrathous.

[Evamitchelle]

That's why I said the Qunari he's been listening to are most likely slaves or Tal-Vashoth.  Just because they can't walk about freely doesn't mean there's no Qunari presence.  Again, I don't think things are peachy for them there. 
 
And I give you months in WoT2, although it's been known to contradict details in the games itself.  It forgets Rinna was stated to be an elf in Origins, for example.  (That it was a month sticks with me because it surprised me at the time I heard it.)  Still, months isn't years, and doesn't change the rest of the facts.
 
Fenris tells us himself where he's learned Qunlat.  It wasn't from the Fog Warriors.  He's lived in Minrathous most of his life, and he says he's been around Qunari his entire life, therefore there are Qunari in Minrathous.  Given how hostile things are between Qunari and the Imperium in Seheron, it's highly unlikely Fenris was able to casually eavesdrop on them there during his time with Danarius.  Danarius was also visiting Tevinter controlled territory at the time, and they came under attack by the Qunari.  The rest of his time on Seheron was spent with the Fog Warriors, who hate Qunari.
 
If a Dalish elf can become the Herald of Andraste, I'm quite sure Qunari PCs won't suddenly disappear when we get near Minrathous.

World of Thedas Vol. 2 says that "Fenris lived with the Fog Warriors while he recovered. They taught him all they knew about the Qunari invaders, information that would be crucial to Fenris' associate Hawke in later years", which would indicate that Fenris learned most of what he knew about the Qunari while in Seheron. I'm not gonna say much more because we're kind of talking in circles at this point. But for me it seems highly unlikely that there would be any kind of long-term qunari presence in Minrathous apart from slaves, who don't seem that numerous (they're at war with the Qunari, Tal-Vashoth presence makes as much sense as having Dalish clans in Tevinter. Edit: on replaying the conversation with Dorian as a Qunari he does seem to have met some Tal-Vashoth mercenaries and merchants, though I can't imagine why they wouldn't go literally anywhere but the Imperium). And I've already mentioned how the former Qunari slave background would pause problems compared to elves/humans.  

 

If they keep the race selection I don't think they'd drop the Qunari in the next game, but it needs to be addressed more than it was in Inquisition, where it was already pushing credibility. 

[dragondreamer]

World of Thedas Vol. 2 says that "Fenris lived with the Fog Warriors while he recovered. They taught him all they knew about the Qunari invaders, information that would be crucial to Fenris' associate Hawke in later years", which would indicate that Fenris learned most of what he knew about the Qunari while in Seheron. I'm not gonna say much more because we're kind of talking in circles at this point. But for me it seems highly unlikely that there would be any kind of long-term qunari presence in Minrathous apart from slaves, who don't seem that numerous (they're at war with the Qunari, Tal-Vashoth presence makes as much sense as having Dalish clans in Tevinter). And I've already mentioned how the former Qunari slave background would pause problems compared to elves/humans.  

 

If they keep the race selection I don't think they'd drop the Qunari in the next game, but it needs to be addressed more than it was in Inquisition, where it was already pushing credibility. 

 

Qunari aren't as rare in northern Thedas as they are in the south.  They're the opposite of the Dalish in that respect.  *Because* of the on-going war, Tal-Vashoth deserters would end up jumping ship in Tevinter.  And as you've said yourself, there's a picture of a Qunari slave right under the entry for Minrathous in WoTv1.  Also, WoTv2 doesn't say Fenris learned Qunlat from the Fog Warriors, which would contradict what he states in-game.  And yeah, I've repeated the actual in-game dialogue that supports these things a few times now, so I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

The PC coming from an unusual background makes things more interesting than if they are what is expected.  That's one of the reasons I rarely play human PCs in DA, it's too vanilla.  But in any case, I think it's too soon to judge whether the PC race "makes sense" or not, since we have no idea what role they will play.

[NeoDarke]

I would honestly love to play as an Elf Blood Human. Sure, you could just headcannon your way into it. But I think it would also be kind of refreshing to play someone whose deeply ashamed by their heritage or friencely proud of it. And while you can get such an option by playing multiple difference races, the idea of being able to punch, say, a prompous Chevalier who thought it wise to utter a few colorful words in regards of elven men or women amuses me greatly. And you can't even do that as an elf which is rather baffling... Lord knows I have a number of Elves who would have been quick to tell Abelas to get knotted for the down the nose way he spoke of and looked down on the Dalish.

[d1ta]

^ Half-elf! my favourite class to play during those days.. (until I found a new favourite that is, Aasimar )

I actually love love love this idea, cmiiw but aren't elf blooded humans apear just like full blooded humans? Maybe with a little clue here and there about their elven heritage, but otherwise still not that visible.
Which in turn should half elven people were to be playable in game, that means they don't really need to create a new body frame. Just use the human ones and give it a different codex/backstory if feeling kinda lazy, or make a human body with slightly pointed ears like the elves in LotR (and if they could create body sliders like NWN2.. omg! Total dream come true!! I'd squee for sure!! .. Though I'd rather not get my hopes up :'( )

[QueenCrow]

It's understandable that starting out as a slave is distasteful to some people. 

 

On the other hand, we've been exposed to Tevinter slavery in Dragon Age from Origins.  Now that it seems we're headed to Tevinter, chasing after a guy who has been about freeing slaves from the beginning (oh, and destroying the known world), how can slavery not be a significant part of the next story - whether as a slave, slaver, or abolitionist (Solas ally or not)?

[DWareFan]

I just feel that would not be properly taking advantage of the setting to be mercenary in origin since that origin would be avaliable in just about every setting while being slave or indentured servant in origin would be avaliable in very few of the settings as far as I know.
 

 

Honestly, I still stand on my conviction.  If it is a forced slave origin, I will not buy it.  If they have options then I'm good but I still haven't played a dwarf in DAI because of the forced criminal background.

[QueenCrow]

Honestly, I still stand on my conviction.  If it is a forced slave origin, I will not buy it.  If they have options then I'm good but I still haven't played a dwarf in DAI because of the forced criminal background.

 

I respect your conviction, and understand it even though I don't know you or the reasons for your convictions.

 

I hope that a slave origin is included in the game, but would not like that to be forced in any way.  Consensual slavery is the only kind acceptable and I'm of the opinion that it's better to give players who are opposed to playing that role the chance to opt out.

 

Ordinarily, I would be of the same mind and resist starting in a slave role, but then I played Age of Conan and started as a slave - shortly thereafter chasing the slave master into the forest and slaughtering them for freedom.  It set a tone for the story that I can now appreciate.

 

But that doesn't mean that I don't support your view of refusal for such an origin.

 

Cheers!

[NeoDarke]

^ Half-elf! my favourite class to play during those days.. (until I found a new favourite that is, Aasimar )

I actually love love love this idea, cmiiw but aren't elf blooded humans apear just like full blooded humans? Maybe with a little clue here and there about their elven heritage, but otherwise still not that visible.
Which in turn should half elven people were to be playable in game, that means they don't really need to create a new body frame. Just use the human ones and give it a different codex/backstory if feeling kinda lazy, or make a human body with slightly pointed ears like the elves in LotR (and if they could create body sliders like NWN2.. omg! Total dream come true!! I'd squee for sure!! .. Though I'd rather not get my hopes up :'( )

Yes, Elf Blood Humans do tend to appear as full blooded humans. However there are a few exceptions to the rule. Such as
Feynriel who has very elven features.

[JadeDragon]

The point of origins is to introduce the player to different cultures and lifestyles of various races that respective country. If all origins started as slaves then what's the point of calling it a origin now if every origin story lead to becoming a slave short term for the prologue then as long as it fits the story that's fine. I am not compelled to be a slave for the sake of going from slave to hero but if certain origins started out as slaves like city elves that fits the lore and works to introduce the player to city elf conditions. Up north the culture is very different even the chantry there. Hence why skipping out in a mage noble would be a huge mistake just like skipping dwarf ambassador two lifestyles we haven't seen in action. Just like non mage humans not being a noble but they shouldn't be a slave. different origins bring up the replay value in dragon age games. As long as each does a good job setting the culture of each and establishing the differences i am fine. If anything i want all origins to be balanced out to fitting the main plot.

[MrMrPendragon]

Any race as long as they can shapeshift into an invisible nug

[Fearsome1]

Don't know if there is already a thread but here is my wishlist

 

- Slave: Elves, Human, and Qunari. You fight in an arena and win your freedom. (Especially this one)

- Dwarven Ambassador: Dwarf (duh). Part of the Ambassadoria

- Atlus: Human. Noble Mage belongs to one of the Imperium's noble houses.

- Mercenary: All races. Belongs to a group of mercenary involve in the skirmish of Seheron.

- Laetans: Elves, Human, and Qunari. Commoner Mages.

 

I would love to have an option to play as an Avvar from Chief Movran the Under's clan after they were exiled to Tevinter on command of the Inquisitor?

[TevinterSupremacist]

Tevinter wannabe magister noble.

 

Who doesn't get disinherited/have his family murdered/fall from grace/magic-handed into irrelevance.

[Vaseldwa]

For the most part I mainly play as a dwarf and or a qunari . Assuming they still put qunari in the game as a playable race.  I rarely if ever play as a human and or elf but will no doubt consider playing as both at least once in the next game since we may be in tevinter.

 

These are how I would like my PC's story to start depending on her (always female)race.

 

Dwarf- Instead of the carta I would like her to come from the Merchants guild, so we may learn more about  them. Or what I would fined kinda cool if my dwarven PC was a simple and humble merchant.

 

Qunari- Now there are 3 ways her story could start and to me all are rather cool.

 

A. She could start out in the qun then she is captured and brought to tevinter then "special event" happens and she becomes tal-vashoth in order to help with "crisis event". This could be an opportunity to get a small peak at the quanri home land, if we don't go there during the game.

 

B. She could be a slave to a magister and then "crisis event" and she does something's to make her seem trust worthy. Also depending on the circumstance I would like the "choice" on what happens to the magister. Regardless of how he/she treated my PC. (this also goes for my elf PC if I choose to play as one) .

 

C. As a mage the only way for it to make sense imo is if she is a slave to a magister, since I don't see anyone in tevinter having a qunari as an apprentice. And she would have been taken as a child and brought to tevinter or her parents were slaves and she was born in tevinter.

 

Human- without a doubt I would like for my human PC to be an apprentice , already a magister and or slave (mage or otherwise). Would also like the choice for her to join dorian in changing tevinter, to make it a better place (that goes for all my PC's).

 

One more thing as a mage, regardless if I am an elf, human or qunari I like the "choice" for my PC's to become a magister.

 

"Preferable" without resorting to blood magic. 

 

Oh and if the events of Decent allow us to be a dwarf mage, well dwarf mage it is!

(what! I can hope cant I lol)

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[Dabrikishaw]

Tevinter Slave and Tevinter Soldier.

[tehturian]

Non mage war hero. Something of a commander Shepard actually. Someone who fought the Qunari on the front lines and more than that has been at the centre of many key victories earning the loyalty of fellow troops. 

 

It would be interesting to see the mage elite balance their disdain for the non magical proletariat while also having to recognise your contribution to state as well as your support from the 'common man' so to speak. 

[Cyberpunk]

Chasind/Avvar Barbarian

 

Tevinter Mage/Magister

 

Tal-Vashoth Mage/Merc

 

Blood Mage

 

Antivan Crow

 

Rivaini Pirate

 

Qunari

 

Dalish Freedom Fighter 

[ElementalFury106]

I think we are getting a Qunari PC considering the events of that is happening in the North it would be a waste not to have a Qunari PC and who knows Qunari might actually be related to the old gods considering they have dragon blood. 

 

Plus Dorian does confirm Tevinter knows the difference between Tal-vashoth and Qunari and notes they are pretty much a whole different people hell I imagine there are loads of Tal-vashoth up north compared to the south. I expect if we do get the option we are going to encounter a lot of racism. 

 

They never have a protagonist who knows something very vital to the lore that hasn't yet been revealed or confirmed. Protagonists are more like empty sponges, waiting to discover and accumulate new/old secrets/knowledges 

[NeoDarke]

Or how about a disillusioned Grey Warden? One whose disgusted by the Warden Civil War that broke out after DA:I. Also, to add to the fun. No Blight. So you're playing in an environment that's far less happy to see you, let alone want anything to do with you, because some view you as vultures circling everyone like prey and waiting until a blight so that they may "legally" lay claim to whatever they want with no interference because no one would dare oppose a Warden during a blight.

[Snowy-Ninja]

• Human: I don't want to be a noble in the next game, the option between being a commoner or a noble would be a good idea though as some people seem to love being a noble. They did this origins with the dwarf origin story it would work for the human in this game! So I would like:
  
  Noble: of some kind, I suppose you'd have to be a mage for it to really make sense, but there are non mage noble's in Tevinter to right? It'd be interesting to see the nobles of Tevinter snub you because you don't have magic a complete role reversal from previous games.
  
  Commoner/ Slave / Criminal: I'd prefer this, someone who rose from the lowest possible ranks of Tevinter to become a hero of Thedas, it just has a much better ring to it. You'd also get a good insight into just how bad Tevinter truly is.
  
  Both options give you good insight into how Tevinter works for humans and having the choice between the two means you can see Tevinter from the eyes of someone else. At least in the origin story (if we have those)
   
• Qunari: A difficult one but I'd love to play as a Qunari in Tevinter.
  
  Qunari Spy: You are a spy for the Qun, you have been sent to Tevinter to gather information and you end up caught up in the mess that is a revolution or whatever happens in the next game for you to become a hero. You have the option to either break away from the Qun or return to it (just like Bull). This would give you insight into how the Qun and Qunari operate and work.
  
  Criminal / Merc: Merc seems the most likely option. Slave is my go to for this race as it seems the most likely.
   
• Dwarf: Ambassador, just makes sense really.
   
• Elf: I don't know about this one. I don't want to make people hate me but I'd like the option not to be an elf in this game. Hear me out, a lot of elves have gone off to run in  the woods with the dread wolf and reclaim their old world so I picture that there are few elves left in Tevinter and I'd love to see the reaction of every other race be like "Where did the elves go?" I also have a feeling that if people can't be a Dalish they would complain. (i'm not to fond of the Dalish sorry) But that said:
  
  Commoner / Criminal: I just have a feeling that most slaves would be gone from Tevinter, I don't think that story would work this time around. Some dashing rouge like the black fox would work just as well and of course elves wouldn't rise that high socially in Tevinter.

 

I'm not to fond of the slave option but I'd like to see it. If there will be a revolution I'd like to see how Bioware handles the hero becoming the face of the revolution just like how Hawke was supposed to be the face of the mages revolution against the Circles and Templars. But we shall see what happens.

[Ieldra]

It's understandable that starting out as a slave is distasteful to some people. 

 

On the other hand, we've been exposed to Tevinter slavery in Dragon Age from Origins.  Now that it seems we're headed to Tevinter, chasing after a guy who has been about freeing slaves from the beginning (oh, and destroying the known world), how can slavery not be a significant part of the next story - whether as a slave, slaver, or abolitionist (Solas ally or not)?

I agree. The question is: will we have more than one background option per race/class combination. If not, then I'd rather have a slave background for the human mage than an Altus background. My preference would be to have a choice, but personally I find the slave background is more interesting. Of course we'll have to start in a position where we can act independently, so we'll be an ex-slave most likely, which fits well with newly-discovered magery, but even so it would be more interesting.