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[Spectr61]

Yea, pretty clear by the conversation its an exploit. Around 1:20 or so on the vid with the virtuoso he seems surprised that he is wearing the accessories of the mage.  Makes it sound like he thought all the equipment on the reaver would transfer with the exploit.  Then they explain that the "buff" doesn't work with the heart of despair staff at around 5:20.  But of course he won't explain why it doesn't work because he is recording (its because the game doesnt think he is using the staff, it thinks he is using....well a different weapon.  Leaving it at that.) Just reeks of using an exploit.

Do you attack animation cancel?

[TheSpookyAce]

What's the point of all this effort and fuss? Might as well use some editor to hack your weapon damage.

[GreySpectre]

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verb (used without object), backfired, backfiring.

1.

(of an internal-combustion engine) to have a loud, premature explosion in the intake manifold.

2.

to bring a result opposite to that which was planned or expected:

The plot backfired.

3.

to start a fire deliberately in order to check a forest or prairie fire by creating a barren area in advance of it.

[Campout King]

Good clip, thanx for sharing

[Drasca]

Not really. Personally I've just been datamining a lot for the past three weeks and am potentially looking to create some new content for MP (as support has ended), but due to how there are still people that care a lot about the leaderboards I fear this won't be possible at all. There are definitely interesting things that could be done, but oh well.

 

If you can do it, do it, Don't worry about the tiny fraction of people that care about leaderboards. I assure you, there's many more that don't. Most people genuinely are more concerned about fun. Heck, even medallian stopped playing and moved on--though when I told him how the game works, he wanted to try it for himself.

 

Its BSN that's full of jealousy and hate, and does not represent the population at whole. Its the response of a very vocal minor few that is full of hate rather than general pop being interested in doing something interesting. Mostly because they're impotent and can't do what you can-- which is to say, have fun in a new and interesting way.

 

The best part of the technique in the OP is it bypasses a lot of gear requirements for new players, enabling otherwise lowbie accounts and new players to play with much older ones and still do well and have fun. Can't DPS in NM/Heartbreaker because your account is a week old and you don't think you can play with your friends? Guess what, you can now.  "This guy has **** gear/ does no damage, I can't play with them" / is a common complaint. That's over with this technique. This project is what I've been working on. Unfortunately, some people are just losers that can't see past their own nose. I released this video because I know some people like to have fun, despite the flow of seething hate from the kill-joys.

 

You should totally have the attitude of, 'let's see what I can do to have fun', but keep secret what you're specifically working on until you're ready to release.

 

Didn't stop the people who made zombie mode or added the unfinished maps and additional ammo and weapons to the me3mp. I'd say go for it.

 

Totally this. That stuff is fun.

[Hang3d Man]

I was just trying to figure out your crazy damage output. If it's natural, then I can (potentially) recreate it, if it's pc magic, then I don't have to worry my ugly little head about it.

Getting on Bruh's case if he legitimately pointed out the potential pitfalls of your video isn't really bolstering your case.

If it's legit, I'm excited and intrigued, if it's just showing us another broken feature of the game I am not sure it's assisting the general conversation or people's perceptions regarding the game or sadly, your contributions, which overall, have been significant and wide reaching.

[Drasca]

I was just trying to figure out your crazy damage output. If it's natural, then I can (potentially) recreate it, if it's pc magic,

If it's legit, I'm excited and intrigued, if it's just showing us another broken feature of the game I am not sure it's assisting the general conversation or people's perceptions regarding the game or sadly, your contributions, which overall, have been significant and wide reaching.

 

Some people are dumb, and there's always going to be haters. I don't care about them. I care about people having fun, which the dumb people that hate are generally against having fun. They want to dictate how other people play because of their personal beliefs on how they should play (and everyone should be as miserable as them).

 

I personally think spawn camping is terrible and I avoid it if I can. Because of the new discovery my teams are doing the exact opposite and playing more closely as intended: Avoiding spawn points, killing all the enemies, and gaining more exp as a result.

 

I don't know if it'll work on console. I did talk with a console player and he said he'd try it. I don't see why it wouldn't work on console though.  This way everyone can fight with decent damage and it brings players together instead of fragmenting with equipment gated difficulties.

 

The game is a lot more fun when everyone is able to do sufficient damage and play together, the damage scaling issue with non-optimal builds becomes lessened, and the grind becomes perceived optional instead of mandatory.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

Some people are dumb, and there's always going to be haters. I don't care about them. I care about people having fun, which the dumb people that hate are generally against having fun. They want to dictate how other people play because of their personal beliefs on how they should play.

I personally think spawn camping is terrible and I avoid it if I can. Because of the new discovery my teams are doing the exact opposite and playing more closely as intended: Avoiding spawn points, killing all the enemies, and gaining more exp as a result.

I don't know if it'll work on console. I did talk with a console player and he said he'd try it. I don't see why it wouldn't work on console though. This way everyone can fight with decent damage and it brings players together instead of fragmenting with equipment gated difficulties.

The game is a lot more fun when everyone is able to do sufficient damage and play together.

The way this is worded makes it seem like you think I hate stuff like this..I don't. I exploit this game like crazy, I do every little thing to increase my exp/hr and it pays off. I was just pointing it out because, in the OP, you made it seem like it was a normal thing and not the cause of exploiting a bug..I'm not hating on that, I was hating on the fact that you were trying to cover it up like it wasn't a bug

[Hang3d Man]

Thank you for clearing up some of the inconsistencies, and pushing the boundaries of what the game can do.

I think something like this is ok within a private group, but I fear that if it was to leak out to the general populace, the level of game play which can already be very spotty might be further eroded. How?

Take an average DAMPer, he is in his squad he runs with on the weekend. XXXJimmyCrackscorn420XXX learns of this little trick, shows the homies, and they maybe rip off a nightmare or 2. Jimmy even gets a Hakkon weapon (I certainly am not, they have to be going somewhere..). Come Monday, Jimmy is feeling pretty solid, he jumps into a nightmare PUG, and all the sudden his ZITHER! Is more like zither? He wipes, his team wipes, the Inquisition wipes. It's like the EXP glitch. People's who got all wrapped up in that had a difficult time adjusting to the actual grind, because they relied on a tactic outside of the actual game mechanics. I guess what you do in private is up to you, but bringing it to the populace at large is a slippery slope.

Up till now you have taught people to play the right way, why start teaching them the wrong way now?

[Drasca]

I think something like this is ok within a private group

 

I know how it works and it is not doable without a private group, or at least so highly improbable it won't happen in the field. Its one of those things that don't affect the general populace. You will not see it in the wild.

 

It does however make all the 'worse' abilities and gear much much better, and much more interesting. That exploding arrow bow? Now it is useable. All the 'bad' and underleveled gear is suddenly on par with end-game gear, though not better than the bis... just useable for flavor.

 

Also Casual Mcfriend who doesn't play as often and has poor gear has a fighting chance to play alongside our Perilous and NM regulars. Casual McFriend will still die easily if he's sloppy, but Casual McFriend has a fighting chance to actually kill things rather than be left in the dust.

 

Me doing big damage isn't a big deal. OP players are OP no matter what. The implication that our lowbie friends can play with our regulars and feel like they're contributing and gear that you'd normally overlook becomes exciting again however is a huge relevation.

 

The game is exciting again if I can break down the barriers of entry to fun for casuals and overlooked weapons.

 

Recently I've figured out how to make it work for most of the team, which means 3 DPS characters and 1 Support. The fact that anyone can be DPS is awesome as heck. Players that otherwise feel gimped by their luck are now free from the shackles of RNG. There's still better gear out there that you want to get, but it no longer feels obligatory to get in order to play.

[Hang3d Man]

Oh. Hmm. Thanks for the clarification.

[Proto]

Drasca, why post videos of crazy damage without explanation of how to do it?

 

Then defend the posting of said videos by claiming its a method to help lower level accounts?

 

But, you didn't help anyone...didn't tell them how to do it...

 

Color me puzzled. 

 

Seems like a pretty game-breaking trick, though. Why bother playing if you can trick the game into giving you enough damage to run the highest difficulties right out of the box?

 

I guess it would be fun...for a little while. 

 

 

Anyway, END OF SUPPORT. All the tricks of the trade will get shared eventually.

[Drasca]

Drasca, why

 

Boredom and the desire to null it. That's what games are for. As for to releasing info, I've already released the info to some people, and I'm still working out the details of how this works. I don't need to satisfy the general public. I've never needed to. The few people that've asked for help however, got it. I've also no interest in helping those that don't need help.

 

 

 

I guess it would be fun...for a little while.

 

I've known about this for a long long time. Its a pony that you generally only ride for a few matches because you generally don't need it. I could've used it at any time, but I didn't because I didn't need to. End of support changed my mind about trying it out again, and the thought occurred I could use it to help lowbies I befriend and play with. Their gear sucks and its generally frustrating on all fronts trying to play with poor RNG for gear.

 

You may want to say they don't deserve a chance at Hakkons until they earn it on their own. I disagree. Its a MP game with a distinctly un-fun RNG reward system and I want to play with my friends working together to achieve common goals. I recall all the rants and tirades of people not having enough gear and being so heartbroken and despairing over not being able to play well, or that the people they play with are so undergeared and how much that sucks. This breaks the despair demons that the RNG inherently brings.

 

I like to roll through HB tearing through it because that difficulty section changes everything. Its no fun if my allies can't even significantly damage the enemy though. They need a fighting chance even if they're still squishy.

 

You're free to disagree. You also have no relevance in my games, and I don't have relevance in yours except for the people who play better because of my guides.

 

Also feel free to believe this breaks the game. Lots of the the chasm gap in difficulty from gear/promotions break the game making it unfun imo, and new content support ended, so I don't care. I'm having fun, and those using it are. No one's forced to, and this can't be done outside a team setting that's already agreed upon it.

[SpaceV3gan]

If you can do it, do it, Don't worry about the tiny fraction of people that care about leaderboards. I assure you, there's many more that don't. Most people genuinely are more concerned about fun. Heck, even medallian stopped playing and moved on--though when I told him how the game works, he wanted to try it for himself.

 

Its BSN that's full of jealousy and hate, and does not represent the population at whole. Its the response of a very vocal minor few that is full of hate rather than general pop being interested in doing something interesting. Mostly because they're impotent and can't do what you can-- which is to say, have fun in a new and interesting way.

What we see here on BSN is a fraction of the playerbase, generally native English speakers. The Leaderboards are full of Europeans, Asians and South Americans as well as some North Americans who are not present here on BSN but they usually see the Leaderboards as a reflection of their passion and dedication to the game. Maybe they aren't as obsessed about it as I have been criticized of being, however, by talking and playing with them, I am sure they care about it.
The Leaderboards are most certainly not free of exploiters and other blights, as they have never been. Nevertheless, destroying it and in this process showing no regard for thousands of hours legit players have committed there is unethical, to say the least.

[SpaceV3gan]

I exploit this game like crazy, I do every little thing to increase my exp/hr and it pays off.

It is commendable that you want to increase your exp/hr and make it as efficient as possible. But why exploit?
What is the point of corrupting yourself in order to gain promotions? How do they pay off when you have something which you did not put adequate effort to achieve?

This question is not only directed to you, anyone who has abused exploits in this game, feel free to answer.
I am often accused of being obsessed about Leaderboards and my rank and such, yet, I am not the one who is doing it illegitimately.

[ThatBruhYouDK]

It is commendable that you want to increase your exp/hr and make it as efficient as possible. But why exploit?
What is the point of corrupting yourself in order to gain promotions? How do they pay off when you have something which you did not put adequate effort to achieve?

This question is not only directed to you, anyone who has abused exploits in this game, feel free to answer.
I am often accused of being obsessed about Leaderboards and my rank and such, yet, I am not the one who is doing it illegitimately.

Let me say though, I did not start exploiting for exp/hr until I learned the games mechanics. I benefit from that not only by having higher promotes but being able to play smart, using it all to my advantage. I learned to play first

[Drasca]

What we see here on BSN is a fraction of the playerbase, generally native English speakers. The Leaderboards are full of Europeans, Asians and South Americans as well as some North Americans who are not present here on BSN but they usually see the Leaderboards as a reflection of their passion and dedication to the game.

 

Passion  +  Dedication = Time spent. You will not bypass the time spent. You're at the top of the leaderboard because you can afford to spend the time there and you want to be there by spending time in the game.. All other reasons are trivial and don't contribute nearly as much as time spent.  No one's going to get there by casually doing so. If there were more hardcore players that cared, they'd be sharing accounts between friends and family to get there, playing those accounts 24/7 in addition to whatever loopholes they can find. No one cares that much on DAMP (they do on some other games)

 

The leaderboards are a very small section of the game, entirely cosmetic, and nothing's going to usurp the fact that time spent dominates all. There's only a handful that actually care about purely cosmetic leaderboards. In fact I know a lot of the leaderboarders, play with them, and they aren't leaderboard chasing at all. Myself included.

 

A dedicated team of players sharing accounts and focused on exp would trump casual individuals, or even hardcore individuals-- because people need to sleep, but  organizations don't.

 

This technique? Minor. I'm tempted to release to public but I have little interest to, and entirely less interest in players like you or bruh that'd use it.

 

I've been criticized that my perspective is skewed by promotes, but its really you with the truly skewed perspective because you never play pugs. You can only play private games and thus you cannot know what it is like for anyone else that plays pugs. Heck, even medallion played pugs the vast majority of the time.

[SpaceV3gan]

Let me say though, I did not start exploiting for exp/hr until I learned the games mechanics. I benefit from that not only by having higher promotes but being able to play smart, using it all to my advantage. I learned to play first

It doesn't change the fact that you are earning promotions and potentially climbing the Leaderboards illegitimately. You corrupt yourself in order to have advantage over legit players. Now, what is the reason for doing that?
It is a simple question.

 

[ALTBOULI]

 

 

The jealousy runs rampant, no surprise here. Please go on being predictable, anytime anyone exceeds your paradigm of minor thought, accuse them of hacks. Someone's still super hurt about needing to L2P. That's what BSN is for, right?

Lol you were caught cheating/hacking before, it wouldn't surprise me if you did it again 

[Proto]

This technique? Minor. I'm tempted to release to public but I have little interest to, and entirely less interest in players like you or bruh that'd use it.

 

Yet, you had enough interest to make a video, upload it and then post it to BSN. You used a title that left it up to the viewer to decide whether the methods used to attain such damage were legitimate or an exploit. Wavebend has made it known that it is indeed an exploit. Congrats...you know how to use an exploit to do massive damage.

 

But, Bioware doesn't care if we use exploits. That's well known and documented. So if you have enough interest to start this thread, then you should have just come out and told people how to replicate it. 

 

As it stands now, you just posted a video boasting that you know how to exploit a game and whisper to yourself "neiner neiner" 

[ThatBruhYouDK]

It doesn't change the fact that you are earning promotions and potentially climbing the Leaderboards illegitimately. You corrupt yourself in order to have advantage over legit players. Now, what is the reason for doing that?
It is a simple question.

It is because I have no interest in playing this game anymore so I do it to pass time for now. Normal play is 100% boring for me, this is a form of entertainment for now. Once I get bored of this I am done with the game entirely

[SpaceV3gan]

Passion  +  Dedication = Time spent. You will not bypass the time spent. You're at the top of the leaderboard because you can afford to spend the time there and you want to be there by spending time in the game.. All other reasons are trivial and don't contribute nearly as much as time spent.  No one's going to get there by casually doing so. If there were more hardcore players that cared, they'd be sharing accounts between friends and family to get there, playing those accounts 24/7 in addition to whatever loopholes they can find. No one cares that much on DAMP (they do on some other games)

 

The leaderboards are a very small section of the game, entirely cosmetic, and nothing's going to usurp the fact that time spent dominates all. There's only a handful that actually care about purely cosmetic leaderboards. In fact I know a lot of the leaderboarders, play with them, and they aren't leaderboard chasing at all. Myself included.

 

A dedicated team of players sharing accounts and focused on exp would trump casual individuals, or even hardcore individuals-- because people need to sleep, but  organizations don't.

 

This technique? Minor. I'm tempted to release to public but I have little interest to, and entirely less interest in players like you or bruh that'd use it.

 

I've been criticized that my perspective is skewed by promotes, but its really you with the truly skewed perspective because you never play pugs. You can only play private games and thus you cannot know what it is like for anyone else that plays pugs. Heck, even medallion played pugs the vast majority of the time.

Most people who know me, know that I have never been really able to afford to play the game for that much time as it may seem, usually 6, 7 hours or so a night. Anyone who plays more than that is on the path to pass me, something which, if done legitimately, I am keen to applaud. I've been only on the leaderboards for so long because I have been steadfast from day one and, for quite a long time, I played in pretty good private teams.
Today it is not the same, and I often play with pugs, too. You would be surprised to see. The game is dying and it is affecting everyone, including me.

I am not denouncing your exploit. It is not something harmful in my view (though I believe you should have mentioned that it was an exploit on the thread original post) and you once told me about it back in January if I recall correctly. I don't see myself agreeing in having it in my games, but I believe it is not something entirely corrupt if others want to do it in theirs.

[Proto]

It doesn't change the fact that you are earning promotions and potentially climbing the Leaderboards illegitimately. You corrupt yourself in order to have advantage over legit players. Now, what is the reason for doing that?
It is a simple question.

 

The reality is the majority of players will never get to max defense...even after 1000 hours.

 

There is no downside to using the exploits...no risk of bans ect...why wouldn't they use them if it enhances their experience? It just means they have to spend less time increasing the power of their account. As a result they can farm gold faster ect... There is no rule book enforcing the leaderboards or labeling people as legit vs. non-legit. Using exploits is fair game in DAMP. There is nothing to corrupt by using them.

 

Legit players are just players who decide to handicap themselves.

 

Unfortunately, that is DAMP's reality. As someone who also handicapped them-self, I feel your pain. 

[ThatBruhYouDK]

It doesn't change the fact that you are earning promotions and potentially climbing the Leaderboards illegitimately. You corrupt yourself in order to have advantage over legit players. Now, what is the reason for doing that?
It is a simple question.

And Space, I hate to say it but, you aren't "clean" yourself. You used, way back in the day, the lvl 20 switch on zone 5. That, in your terms, is unethical in this game but it was done. It was an illegitimate way to promote faster. This is just another one of those, just as the x2 exp was

[Snakebite]

 

Still waiting for a video titled "Insane Reaver Damage" showing some nice strong Dragon Rage hits while at high health.

 

 

...Still waiting...

 

Lol you were caught cheating/hacking before, it wouldn't surprise me if you did it again 

 

You know, at first I thought that was just trolls trying to discredit D, but now it looks like this was probably true.