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[The Baconer]

Why not both? That's how I see the ending of Trespasser with the Inquisition continuing; the Inquisition focuses on protecting the Divine and her interest while the Inquisitor puts together a small operation in Tevinter (probably).

 

Because the Inquisitor remains a public figure, still under the scrutiny of the southern nations and shouldered with duties and formalities demanded by the job. As far as politics go, it's up to southern Thedas to help themselves, so I'll deprive them of their crutch and scapegoat that is the Inquisition. 

 

Also note that I went with the black ops unit itself as opposed to MSF or DD. 

[Al Foley]

Why not both? That's how I see the ending of Trespasser anyway with the Inquisition continuing; the Inquisition focuses on protecting the Divine and her interest while the Inquisitor puts together a small operation in Tevinter (probably) to combat Solas, with the larger organization ready to provide support or respond to any threats.

 

It might even better since Solas may focus on the Inquisition while failing to notice the small group operating in its shadow.

That is one way to look at it.  The 'Inquisition' could become a public front for the real organization.  Something I thought of playing through it today. 

[Pee Jae]

Yeah, I kept the Inquisition as a "peacekeeping force" under Leliana. I imagine it as a front whilst we're more like a giant spy ring now.

[MissOuJ]

Disbanding seems like defeat to me. Like you're admitting Solas was right about organizations becoming corrupted. Screw BioWare's forced storyline. Keep the largest Inquisition you can for BioWare to fumble through.

 

That's interesting, because not disbanding seems like accepting defeat to me - or maybe defeat is the wrong word here. Maybe "concession" is a better one? Either way, being forced into either the leash of the Chantry (no matter how much I might like the current Divine) or to become a peace keeping organization (which, since it'll probably operate in and around both Ferelden and Orlais, has potential to become a political pressure cooker) feels to me like giving up and accepting the judgement in the court of (poorly informed and intentionally malicious) public opinion. From my point of view, disbanding is the better option because then you neither apologize nor defend what you've done - it needed to be done, so you did it, and now the times have changed, and the Inquisition is no longer needed (in its current form). Not to mention you're free to keep fighting the good fight even then - and I have to say I agree with Solas: large organisations more vulnerable to spies, so starting again with a smaller group could be the smarter option. Then again giving up the Inquisition's resources might also be a really dumb thing to do in the end. Time makes fools of us all and so on and so forth.

[SgtSteel91]

It's almost like there's no one right answer and there are equal pros and cons to either disbanding or keeping the Inquisition.

[Xcorpyo]

For me disbanding seems the only acceptable option, but my choice is a little biased, since my first playthrough in DAO was as a mage, and my head canon for every main protagonist is that of a mage, race and sex varying from game to game.  

 

Since my mage happens to be a Libertarian, or never under Chantry control to begin with, there is no way in hell/void for him/her to go back under Chantry control, even if you like the current Divine. As the saying goes, Divines come and go, but religious zealotry and  racism lasts forever.

 

The fact that if you can find out after your choice that the next game is in Tevinter(either spoilers or previous playthrough) is another nudge towards disbanding, because there is no way in hell the Vints will allow Chantry troops inside their borders, no matter how dire their situation might be. If you are leading a ‘mercenary’ band with experience fighting Solas/Qunari on the other hand, they might even pay you to join them. Win win. Also less chances of spies and Chantry stooges with veto power regarding your choice of action can’t ****** you off or control you in any way.

 

And let’s not forget the Jaws of Hakkon DLC, that also gave you a hint of what the future might hold for your order if you decide to join the Chantry. And by ‘gave you a hint’ I mean it hit you in the balls with a sledgehammer. Repeatedly.

So, the last Inq of the previous Inquisition happens to be an elf mage that is also the leader of the Seeker of Truth order, devout follower of both Andraste and his Creators, who sacrifices his life to protect Orlais against a threat that could have destroyed the country.

 

To honor his sacrifice, the Chantry then decides to remove him from history, change the Chant of Light by removing the verses that were depicting the elves as heroes who helped Andraste, start a Holly War against the elven homeland, force a big part of them to forsaken their gods and follow only the Maker, and scatter the rest to the winds.

 

Not only that, but the ones that decide to follow the new religion are treated as pariahs, third class citizens or even slaves, even in Orlais, a country that claims that they have no slaves.  Let’s take a look at Fiona’s bio for example. From an alienage in Orlais, orphaned at the age of seven, bought as a slave by a Count and viewed as a pet, sexually and physically abused by said noble. In a country that allegedly has no slaves whatsoever.

 

And let’s not even touch the mage lifestyle. Let’s just say that the elves in the Alienages have a better life. At least they can have a family and keep their children. Except Fiona and the rest of the elves that are unlucky enough to also be a mage besides having pointy ears. Those really won the lottery.

 

If he somehow found out about this, I’m betting Ameridan would have been pissed. Royally so. I bet he would have released the dragon, ride the damn thing himself and proceed to burn every city in Orlais, starting with Val Royeaux and that shinny Chantry.

 

I don’t know how many games are left in this franchise, but I hope the last DLC is taking place like 1000 years in the future(or as long you can advance and still have swords and stuff). You are a spirit of the last hero trapped in the Fade, and someone manages to set you free, Cole style. Then you can admire the future you helped build, or, if the people of the future managed to screw up all your good work, kick their ass and start pointing them in the right direction again. 

[EBDerevko]

I chose to disband every time. It feels like the safest choice to me.

 

I know that, if I didn't, the Inquisitor would keep all the resources and alliances (and some other benefits) but... the Inquisition is already fragile and doesn't have as much support as it used to, and I can't risk spies jeopardizing any operation or informing Solas of the Inquisitor's every move =/ No way.

[Dai Grepher]

That's interesting, because not disbanding seems like accepting defeat to me - or maybe defeat is the wrong word here. Maybe "concession" is a better one? Either way, being forced into either the leash of the Chantry (no matter how much I might like the current Divine) or to become a peace keeping organization (which, since it'll probably operate in and around both Ferelden and Orlais, has potential to become a political pressure cooker) feels to me like giving up and accepting the judgement in the court of (poorly informed and intentionally malicious) public opinion.

 

But Teagan wants you to disband. So disbanding is doing what Marmalade wants. Can't let him win. Cyril wants to put an Orlesian collar on you. So merging back into the Chantry avoids the Orlesian collar and it rejects Teagan's stupid demands. While I wish there were an option to keep the Inquisition as is, sadly Trespasser was a poorly made DLC.

 

As for the Inquisition's role, it's to find those responsible for the breach and bring them to justice. Solas admits that the orb was his and he gave it to Corypheus. Thus he is responsible. So the Inquisition's mission is not done, no matter which way you slice it.
 

[Boost32]

BuWhile I wish there were an option to keep the Inquisition as is, sadly Trespasser was a poorly made DLC.

While I wish I could do it too, the game made it clear it was not possible anymore.
If you tried it, both Orlais and Ferelden would join forces to dismantle the Inquisition.

And I disagree it was a poorly DLC.

[Rekkampum]

Some of my Inquisitors chose to disband; a couple stayed as the Divine's guard.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Disbanding due to the spies in my organization. Even if a lot of the elves in the Inquisition made a show of leaving (per epilogue slides), it hardly means all Solas' eyes and ears in the Inquisition are gone. For one thing, there's nothing saying he's even using only elven agents. I wouldn't be surprised if he had people of all races acting for him and his interests, even if they don't necessarily know they're working for him, specifically. 

 

Secondly, I don't care how closely new Inquisition members are supposedly screened. There's a point in the main game where someone (I forget who, specifically) talks about how Leliana considers it inevitable that this huge influx of support/recruits you are getting after reaching Skyhold will include spies. And that she was taking precautions against it. And yet you still, say, get the Qunari assassins trying to kill Bull after you side with the Chargers. The organization was on alert and still couldn't prevent infiltration. It was just too big at that point. You can't prove Solas wrong about "big organizations will eventually become corrupted" if for no other reason than he'll be the one targeting your organization to make sure it does become corrupt. The spies are in there already and the battle on that front is lost.

 

Also, by keeping the Inquisition, you could actually end up placing Solas's spies in the Divine's honor guard, which I can't imagine would be good.

 

As for loss of resources: even if you disband, the Inquisitor has met and made personal relationships with enough people on her own that you are not left without resources. And many of the resources you have in the south won't really matter in the north, anyway.

 

So, yeah, disband for me (at least my canon PT). Its more pragmatic.

[Qun00]

I'm surprised to see the majority of people disbanding.

Most people seem to have always hated the Herald/Inquisitor title, so disbanding was their first instinct.

But look, all this was earned even if it started out with dumb luck. The Inquisitor contributed a lot for this organization to evolve.

[Dai Grepher]

While I wish I could do it too, the game made it clear it was not possible anymore.
If you tried it, both Orlais and Ferelden would join forces to dismantle the Inquisition.

And I disagree it was a poorly DLC.

 

The game forced the storyline that keeping the Inquisition was no longer possible. In other words, player choice went out the window. So yes, it was objectively a poorly made DLC.

 

Orlais didn't want to see the Inquisition disband. And all Ferelden really cared about was getting Inquisition troops out of their lands, which could easily be done to appease them. Cyril's idea to have the Inquisition join with Orlais was laughable on its face. The Inquisition has never sworn fealty to any one nation, not even back in the days of Ameridan and Drakon.

 

Bottom line, Victoria Vivienne is right, Orlais and Ferelden have no choice in the matter. Never did. All they can do is stop support, and since Orlais wasn't ready to do that it's doubtful that Ferelden would pull theirs and let Orlais become the Inquisition's strongest ally.

[Boost32]

The game forced the storyline that keeping the Inquisition was no longer possible. In other words, player choice went out the window. So yes, it was objectively a poorly made DLC.
 
Orlais didn't want to see the Inquisition disband. And all Ferelden really cared about was getting Inquisition troops out of their lands, which could easily be done to appease them. Cyril's idea to have the Inquisition join with Orlais was laughable on its face. The Inquisition has never sworn fealty to any one nation, not even back in the days of Ameridan and Drakon.
 
Bottom line, Victoria Vivienne is right, Orlais and Ferelden have no choice in the matter. Never did. All they can do is stop support, and since Orlais wasn't ready to do that it's doubtful that Ferelden would pull theirs and let Orlais become the Inquisition's strongest ally.

Talk to Cyril about keeping the Inquisition as independent force and you will see his answer.

Its clear Orlais would not allow the Inquisition to remain independent, they would either put a leash on it or put it down, they would not let you be. You can disagree with BW and say it was poorly made, but in the end there is no other choice.

[DarkNova50]

The choice depends on the character I'm roleplaying.

 

My first Inquisitor was a spunky, angry Dalish elf who never wanted that title to begin with, who hated all the politics every time she came face to face with a noble. Her friends and saving Solas were what mattered to her, and she didn't want or need the Inquisition for that. And with her husband Cullen at her side, she was more than happy to leave all that "Herald of Andraste" stuff behind.

My second Inquisitor was a very duty oriented human warrior, who believed in the strength of strong organizations like the Orleisian empire and the Inquisition. Though she cared about her friends, the greater good was always the most important issue, which is why she believed that stopping Solas was more important than trying to redeem him. So in that case, keeping the Inquisition intact was just a means to an end.

[Dai Grepher]

Talk to Cyril about keeping the Inquisition as independent force and you will see his answer.

Its clear Orlais would not allow the Inquisition to remain independent, they would either put a leash on it or put it down, they would not let you be. You can disagree with BW and say it was poorly made, but in the end there is no other choice.

 

I did. He only said the court wishes to offer respectful guidance to the Inquisition, and would like to see the Inquisition join Orlais freely. Meaning, he wants the Inquisitor to have the option available to choose, not have it forced on him.

 

He also tells Teagan that his suspicions are ill-founded, and if the Inquisition ever got out of line, then they would not sit idly by. That doesn't mean they will act against them for no reason.

 

There were other choices. BW was just too lazy to represent them.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I did. He only said the court wishes to offer respectful guidance to the Inquisition, and would like to see the Inquisition join Orlais freely. Meaning, he wants the Inquisitor to have the option available to choose, not have it forced on him.
 
He also tells Teagan that his suspicions are ill-founded, and if the Inquisition ever got out of line, then they would not sit idly by. That doesn't mean they will act against them for no reason.
 
There were other choices. BW was just too lazy to represent them.

This is an Orlesian we are talking about. You have to read between the lines. "Offer respectful guidance" is Orlesian speak for "doing Orlais's bidding". Its pretty obvious that Orlais wanted the Inquisition under their control (or gone if they couldn't control it), and Ferelden wanted it gone because they didn't want it falling into Orlais's hands and didn't think they could get control of it themselves. Its a pretty simple game of zero-sum politics. Both sides wanted to control the Inquisition, and failing that, they wanted it out of the picture.

[Kallimachus]

I actually would have liked my inquisitor to retire earlier. The Story of Cincinnatus was always a favourite of mine, so I would have loved to see the inquisitor "taken from behind the plow"to be appointed dictator,  win the war in 16 days, and then proceed to give up the title and authority, and return to the plow (actual plow in the case of Cincinnatus, metaphorical one in the case of my Lavellan).

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Most people seem to have always hated the Herald/Inquisitor title, so disbanding was their first instinct.

But look, all this was earned even if it started out with dumb luck. The Inquisitor contributed a lot for this organization to evolve.

I don't hate the titles, personally. Though I think the Herald title is disingenuous once you find out for sure that Andraste had nothing(at least directly) to do with your survival. But I think I'd have considered making my Inquisition an honor guard if not for the Solas issue. Although, I would still have been on the fence cus of Giselle's early game dialogue about the Inquisition "putting their swords away". This set up a narrative theme for me that I wanted to follow through with. But then, the original Inquisition "put their swords away" by placing themselves under the authority of the Chantry to become the Seekers/Templars, so the becoming the Divine's honor guard would still have worked. 

[BubbleDncr]

My Lavellan disbanded, because she's just completely broken at this point. Lost her boyfriend, her best friend, her hand, everything she's ever believed in....

[Dai Grepher]

This is an Orlesian we are talking about. You have to read between the lines. "Offer respectful guidance" is Orlesian speak for "doing Orlais's bidding". Its pretty obvious that Orlais wanted the Inquisition under their control (or gone if they couldn't control it), and Ferelden wanted it gone because they didn't want it falling into Orlais's hands and didn't think they could get control of it themselves. Its a pretty simple game of zero-sum politics. Both sides wanted to control the Inquisition, and failing that, they wanted it out of the picture.

 

Sorry, I forgot that things stated in the games are actually just elaborate deceptions, and fan-made reinterpretations of those things are the real truths.

 

Man, those Orlesians are so bad at getting the Inquisition to obey them. Always offering them choice, and being courteous, and defending them during the council, and stating they would be happy to led assistance.

 

Obvious to a genius like you perhaps. I am but a simple fool who is too easily thrown off by clear statements and blatant actions that appear as facts in my severely unenlightened perceptions.
 

Ugh! I'm supposed to take what the Orlesian says and does as the opposite of what he wants, but I'm supposed to believe what the Fereldan says and does at face value. I'm so confused. I know Teagan clearly said he wanted the Inquisition to disband, but are you sure that's what he really wanted? Maybe his TRUE plan was to join the Inquisition so he could take control of all the cheese in Orlais. I mean, these are Fereldens we're talking about here. They hate Orlesians. I mean, I'm just reading between the lines ya know.

[TK514]

Disband, every time.  The Inquisition has outlived its purpose and become corrupt.  It was time to lay down that mantle, and for the Inquisitor to take up a new one.

[AshenEndymion]

I'm just wondering why an Inquisitor who took the title while saying they're doing so "for power", would willingly give that up by becoming subservient to the Divine or disbanding the Inquisition altogether...

 

Sure, the Inquisition would likely lose if Orlais put all its might into crushing it... But an Orlais that did that would open itself up to a Tevinter, or even Ferelden/Nevarran, invasion...

[TK514]

I'm just wondering why an Inquisitor who took the title while saying they're doing so "for power", would willingly give that up by becoming subservient to the Divine or disbanding the Inquisition altogether...

 

Sure, the Inquisition would likely lose if Orlais put all its might into crushing it... But an Orlais that did that would open itself up to a Tevinter, or even Ferelden/Nevarran, invasion...

 

 

If you believe Solas, and really at this point there is very little reason not to, the Inquisition isn't reliably at the command of the Inquisitor anymore.  Better to destroy it and deny your enemies another tool against you than hang on out of misguided pride.

[SgtSteel91]

If you believe Solas, and really at this point there is very little reason not to, the Inquisition isn't reliably at the command of the Inquisitor anymore.  Better to destroy it and deny your enemies another tool against you than hang on out of misguided pride.

 

But Solas showed his hand when he revealed he had spies in the Inquisition and you know he's your opponent so you can prepare accordingly.