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[Dragonovith]

Nope, Its too good to be kin... I mean Inquisitor, I would never do it for personal gain! 

[The Baconer]

The Inquisition has outlived its purpose and become corrupt.  

 

On that note, I positively loved the detail of that gung-ho Inquisition trooper issuing threats to the Orlesian palace guards. 

 

In the base game, we never really had to worry about our rank-and-file getting too brash, too self-righteous, or being simply criminal, especially when the implication seemed to be that the Inquisition was taking in everybody who expressed an interest to join. 

[Boost32]

Disband, every time.  The Inquisition has outlived its purpose and become corrupt.  It was time to lay down that mantle, and for the Inquisitor to take up a new one.

Solas still at lose, he has his share of responsability for the Breach, the Inquisition still needed to fight him and others threats like the Qunari.

[Dean_the_Young]

On that note, I positively loved the detail of that gung-ho Inquisition trooper issuing threats to the Orlesian palace guards. 

 

In the base game, we never really had to worry about our rank-and-file getting too brash, too self-righteous, or being simply criminal, especially when the implication seemed to be that the Inquisition was taking in everybody who expressed an interest to join. 

 

And even some who didn't- how many people can the Inquisitor alone harass, cajole, or effectively press-gang into service with a fatal alternative?

[Dean_the_Young]

Solas still at lose, he has his share of responsability for the Breach, the Inquisition still needed to fight him and others threats like the Qunari.

 

There's a case for Solas by the Inquisition's mandate... but at this point, it's questionable of whether the Inquisition can do more good than harm given it's penetration. That's not something that can be handwaved away with a 'oh, we know about it, it's not a threat anymore.'

 

Justifying the Inquisition on other grounds, though, is simply an argument of utility- and a questionable one at that. The Inquisition's strength draws from the people and the nobles- if it is needed, such as for an open war with the Qunari, then they can be drawn upon again. But a standing Exalted March- which is what the Inquisition under Chantry control effectively is- is easily prone to corruption, mission creep, and the same over-stretch and fall that brought the problems it was created to resolve. And that's without considering the mental sanity, or political opinions, of the Divine at the helm.

 

Don't treat the Inquisition as the solution to every problem- or else every problem will start to look like something for the Inquistion to solve. Bad things- very bad things- lie down that road in the long-term. I like the Chantry overall, and even I don't want a religious army marching across the Kingdoms in the name of the faithful.

[Boost32]

There's a case for Solas by the Inquisition's mandate... but at this point, it's questionable of whether the Inquisition can do more good than harm given it's penetration. That's not something that can be handwaved away with a 'oh, we know about it, it's not a threat anymore.'
 
Justifying the Inquisition on other grounds, though, is simply an argument of utility- and a questionable one at that. The Inquisition's strength draws from the people and the nobles- if it is needed, such as for an open war with the Qunari, then they can be drawn upon again. But a standing Exalted March- which is what the Inquisition under Chantry control effectively is- is easily prone to corruption, mission creep, and the same over-stretch and fall that brought the problems it was created to resolve. And that's without considering the mental sanity, or political opinions, of the Divine at the helm.
 
Don't treat the Inquisition as the solution to every problem- or else every problem will start to look like something for the Inquistion to solve. Bad things- very bad things- lie down that road in the long-term. I like the Chantry overall, and even I don't want a religious army marching across the Kingdoms in the name of the faithful.

Ofc it can do more good then harm, Solas' spies cant know everything, they hacent penetrated the leadership of the Inquisition and with its size reduced, its more difficult to a spy to infiltrate.

And I can justify on other grounds, the Inquisition original purpose was to stop the mage-templar war and yet it have accomplished much more. We didn't need to fight against Hakkon, yet if we didn't have done it how many lives would have been lost? We didn't need to fight against Darkspawn and the Titan, yet the same would have happened if we didn't.
The Qunari need to be defeated, the only way to do that is with a strong Thedas united by an Exalted March.

[Dean_the_Young]

Ofc it can do more good then harm, Solas' spies cant know everything, they hacent penetrated the leadership of the Inquisition and with its size reduced, its more difficult to a spy to infiltrate.

 

'More difficult' does not mean 'impossible.' As I

 

And I can justify on other grounds, the Inquisition original purpose was to stop the mage-templar war and yet it have accomplished much more. We didn't need to fight against Hakkon, yet if we didn't have done it how many lives would have been lost? We didn't need to fight against Darkspawn and the Titan, yet the same would have happened if we didn't.

 

 

 

The Inquisition, as a lot of people point out, was created to restore order during a period of chaos and upheaval- and that's what it did across all the DLC. But 'chaos' isn't the same as 'problems'- and there are always problems, but problems alone don't justify everything- nor do all problems require the Inquisition in particular. Hammer and nail delimma.

 

One of the significant themes of the game was the nature of corruption, and how it comes about- not merely from insidious attempt, but by good intentions and a progressive reach for more and more. The Inquisition can do quite a bit more good... just as the Templars and Seekers did for the Chantry. You can even argue it'd be more good than harm by the end... but when it comes down to it, it's worth remember some sort of trouble the group is placed to handle.

 

Templars went rogue and fought a private war against a minority population. The Inquisition, when it wasn't rogue, nearly launched a coup within Orlais.

 

The Qunari need to be defeated, the only way to do that is with a strong Thedas united by an Exalted March.

 

Coolio- something bigger and more deliberate than the Inquisition is needed regardless, then, maing the Inquisition obsolete.

[Boost32]

'More difficult' does not mean 'impossible.' As I

 

 
The Inquisition, as a lot of people point out, was created to restore order during a period of chaos and upheaval- and that's what it did across all the DLC. But 'chaos' isn't the same as 'problems'- and there are always problems, but problems alone don't justify everything- nor do all problems require the Inquisition in particular. Hammer and nail delimma.
 
One of the significant themes of the game was the nature of corruption, and how it comes about- not merely from insidious attempt, but by good intentions and a progressive reach for more and more. The Inquisition can do quite a bit more good... just as the Templars and Seekers did for the Chantry. You can even argue it'd be more good than harm by the end... but when it comes down to it, it's worth remember some sort of trouble the group is placed to handle.
 
Templars went rogue and fought a private war against a minority population. The Inquisition, when it wasn't rogue, nearly launched a coup within Orlais.
 

Coolio- something bigger and more deliberate than the Inquisition is needed regardless, then, maing the Inquisition obsolete.

Yes, thats what I said. Still I believe it can do more good.

It doesn't matter, if you disband because it can become corrupt in the future then its better to disband every organization, but for now the Inquisition still can do more good things.

Thedas need every advantage against them, the Inquisition will make the Exalted March stronger.

[Dean_the_Young]

Yes, thats what I said. Still I believe it can do more good.
 

 

Okay.

 

It doesn't matter, if you disband because it can become corrupt in the future then its better to disband every organization, but for now the Inquisition still can do more good things.

 

 

Not quite- the lesson of fighting inherent corruption that leads principle-based institutions astray is to keep organizations focused on their purpose.

 

Is the Chantry a political dynasty, or a moral authority to focus on the poor? Are the Templars the intermediaries between mages and mundanes to protect both, or just the enforcers of one or the other?

 

No one denies that the Inquisition can still do more good things. But the question is- what good things is the Inqusition supposed to do? What is it's mission- besides to enforce the Divine's will?
 

Thedas need every advantage against them, the Inquisition will make the Exalted March stronger.

 

 

Maybe. Maybe not. An equally relevant question, though, is- what comes after?

 

Let's accept the role of fighting the Qunari- even though Tresspasser offers some indications that the Qun isn't as unified as it seems to outsiders. Say there's a war- say the Andrastians even win, and conquer the Qunari in turn.

 

What role does the Chantry play once the rest of the Exalted March retires? Mass demobilization/deprogramming of the Qunari? Hunters of the resistance? An Inquisition, if you will, against the heretics who try to keep their philosophy alive?

 

Are Thedas, and others, better off with that sort of Inqusition, rather than just the Exalted Marches being successful without it?

[Boost32]

Okay.
 

 
Not quite- the lesson of fighting inherent corruption that leads principle-based institutions astray is to keep organizations focused on their purpose.
 
Is the Chantry a political dynasty, or a moral authority to focus on the poor? Are the Templars the intermediaries between mages and mundanes to protect both, or just the enforcers of one or the other?
 
No one denies that the Inquisition can still do more good things. But the question is- what good things is the Inqusition supposed to do? What is it's mission- besides to enforce the Divine's will?
 

 
Maybe. Maybe not. An equally relevant question, though, is- what comes after?
 
Let's accept the role of fighting the Qunari- even though Tresspasser offers some indications that the Qun isn't as unified as it seems to outsiders. Say there's a war- say the Andrastians even win, and conquer the Qunari in turn.
 
What role does the Chantry play once the rest of the Exalted March retires? Mass demobilization/deprogramming of the Qunari? Hunters of the resistance? An Inquisition, if you will, against the heretics who try to keep their philosophy alive?
 
Are Thedas, and others, better off with that sort of Inqusition, rather than just the Exalted Marches being successful without it?

What goods? Protect Thedas against thousands of catastrophes that occurs every year andhelp the affected population to recover.
The mission is simple, protect Thedas, the Divine and enforce her will. If a future Inquisitor becomes corrupt, he/she will not erase the good the Inquisition has already done.

Thats for the Chantry to decide after the war is won, the Divine will say if the Inquisition will be of any use in the post-war. Until then, the Inquisition should fight against the Qunari, its not a war that will be an easy win, Thedas need every soldier it can count. And, to me, the battle-hardened soldiers of the Inquisition will make Thedas army stronger.

[Wahed89]

My first play through I disbanded, for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. However, my next play through I won't be disbanding. That's because of what I remembered about what Solas says about the inquisition.

He knows that you are about to make a decision on the inquisition, and he knows that you are going to oppose him in one way or another. It's at this point that he makes a point about how corrupt the inquisition has already become in that it is full of spies. He fills you with suspicion, I think to manipulate you to disband. I think, therefore, that he considers you less of a threat working alone than working in the inquisition even though it's full of his spies. To me this is significant, even if he cares for you he doesn't want you to succeed in stopping him. Any advice he gives you cannot be trusted.

Also, if you are friends with him during the main quest he does make a point about the inquisitor's integrity being unique, but also tries to convince you that by virtue of just being an organisation we will be corrupted.

So yeah, my current play through I won't be disbanding. Also, I have no issues being under Leliana's orders given that it was the Divines writ that gave us authority to act in the first place.

[Al Foley]

My first play through I disbanded, for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. However, my next play through I won't be disbanding. That's because of what I remembered about what Solas says about the inquisition.

He knows that you are about to make a decision on the inquisition, and he knows that you are going to oppose him in one way or another. It's at this point that he makes a point about how corrupt the inquisition has already become in that it is full of spies. He fills you with suspicion, I think to manipulate you to disband. I think, therefore, that he considers you less of a threat working alone than working in the inquisition even though it's full of his spies. To me this is significant, even if he cares for you he doesn't want you to succeed in stopping him. Any advice he gives you cannot be trusted.

Also, if you are friends with him during the main quest he does make a point about the inquisitor's integrity being unique, but also tries to convince you that by virtue of just being an organisation we will be corrupted.

So yeah, my current play through I won't be disbanding. Also, I have no issues being under Leliana's orders given that it was the Divines writ that gave us authority to act in the first place.

Excellent point though most orgs do become corrupted, which is why you shrink the Inquisition, I think massively.  

[In Exile]

There's a case for Solas by the Inquisition's mandate... but at this point, it's questionable of whether the Inquisition can do more good than harm given it's penetration. That's not something that can be handwaved away with a 'oh, we know about it, it's not a threat anymore.'

Justifying the Inquisition on other grounds, though, is simply an argument of utility- and a questionable one at that. The Inquisition's strength draws from the people and the nobles- if it is needed, such as for an open war with the Qunari, then they can be drawn upon again. But a standing Exalted March- which is what the Inquisition under Chantry control effectively is- is easily prone to corruption, mission creep, and the same over-stretch and fall that brought the problems it was created to resolve. And that's without considering the mental sanity, or political opinions, of the Divine at the helm.

Don't treat the Inquisition as the solution to every problem- or else every problem will start to look like something for the Inquistion to solve. Bad things- very bad things- lie down that road in the long-term. I like the Chantry overall, and even I don't want a religious army marching across the Kingdoms in the name of the faithful.

Brought under chantry control, the Inquisition is more of a boon than the templars. It's a military arm that doesn't have to garrison or work as a police force, and it has more extensive ties to the nobily and a free-wheeling spy network.

[Solas]

I still can't decide. Lean towards disband tho.

[Dean_the_Young]

Brought under chantry control, the Inquisition is more of a boon than the templars. It's a military arm that doesn't have to garrison or work as a police force, and it has more extensive ties to the nobily and a free-wheeling spy network.

 

I question who that's a boon for, and the merits of a (para)military force that doesn't do garrison or police functions.

[Boost32]

I question who that's a boon for, and the merits of a (para)military force that doesn't do garrison or police functions.

As the Inquisitor said, the Inquisition is changed from a military force to a peacekeeping one.

[TK514]

As the Inquisitor said, the Inquisition is changed from a military force to a peacekeeping one.

That's pure semantics.  An army is an army.

[ravensmight]

I disbanded i thought it would be easy to call on Friends and allies when needed. The Inquisition still helped a lot of people and you are less prone to spies if you run a smaller team 

[In Exile]

I question who that's a boon for, and the merits of a (para)military force that doesn't do garrison or police functions.

It's a boon for the Chnatry, I think, if they're feeling like oppression is on the menu for the day/epoch. I didn't mean it to be a good thing - I just mean to say that ultimately if you roll the Inquisition into the Southern Chantry it arguably comes out better out of the mage rebellion than it went it. Especially with Circles eventually splitting down the middle on their views in Chantry involvement.

A (previously) culturally imperialistic religious organisation that is - depending on the era - either a puppet of Thedas's biggest imperialistic power or its closest political/military ally can do a lot with its own private army that happens to be self-sufficient, if not an outright profit generator, and comes with a spy network.

Bad for Thedas, almost certainly. But a plus for the Chnatry.

[Cobra's_back]

Disband. They're not going to do anything anyway, let's end on a high note.

That is how I saw it. Your player is out and they need a new hero. Keeping it may mean the writers have to bring it down. Just look at what they did with the Wardens.

[Cobra's_back]

I chose to disband every time. It feels like the safest choice to me.

 

I know that, if I didn't, the Inquisitor would keep all the resources and alliances (and some other benefits) but... the Inquisition is already fragile and doesn't have as much support as it used to, and I can't risk spies jeopardizing any operation or informing Solas of the Inquisitor's every move =/ No way.

I agree. It is easily corruptible, and it is not needed anymore. The goal was to end Cory boy and they did that. Solas has too much intelligence when it comes to the Inquisition.

[Nic Mercy]

I decided the angry disband was the best choice for me. While I wouldn't mind serving a softened Leliana as Divine, I didn't like the increased possibility of corruption or the fact that both Solas and the Qun had spies in my Inquisition. I felt the best way to pursue Solas was with a small group of my most trusted allies with the hope that even being officially "retired" all the friends and contacts I made as Inquisitor could be tapped for resources.

[nOrio_26]

Disband is unnecessary，for the Divine is one ex-member of our Inquisition. So we 'd glad to be her honor guard. And we need force power to confront of Solas.

 

A smaller Inquisition is fine~

[Hammer70]

I chose not to disband. I had absorbed the Templars into the inquisition. It felt right to place the reduced inquisition under Devine Cassandra's control. There was a discussion at the end where it was pointed out that Solas knows all of the (main) people in the inquisition, so they would need to recruit people that Solas did not know. Your character in DA4 will be this new agent.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Disband is unnecessary，for the Divine is one ex-member of our Inquisition. So we 'd glad to be her honor guard. And we need force power to confront of Solas.

In my game, Vivienne was Divine. There is no way in hell I would voluntarily give her more power.