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[Arshei]

In the epilogue of Trespasser he dies if he still taking lyrium, it happens if the Inquisitior agrees to let him take Lyrium again?

or is if you don't romance him?

 

[thats1evildude]

He must be unromanced and instructed to take lyrium permanently.

You monster.

[sylvanaerie]

If you start the romance and convince him to continue the Lyrium (even for temporary) it ends the romance.  And apparently, later his life since he can never kick it.  I guess he really only gets that one chance, even if the quizzy intends to help him after Corypheus is gone.  Since I have to admire anyone trying that hard to kick something they're addicted to, I always encourage him to stay clean and sober.

[Arshei]

He must be unromanced and instructed to take lyrium permanently.

You monster.

 

I'm not the only monster here

Dragon age Origin:

Circle given independence

“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

[sylvanaerie]

He must be unromanced and instructed to take lyrium permanently.

You monster.

 

So if you tell him "Just for now", he kicks the habit later (even if it ends the romance)?

[Ashaantha]

Saying "just for now, we'll find another way after everything's over" does not end the romance, the romance continues only difference is some dialogue changes. He's not as .. happy? I guess, a little short tempered.

You do not get this particular ending slide either, you get the normal romance ending slides for Trespasser.

 

Rather that's how my taking lyrium+romanced playthrough played itself out.

 

So yes, OP, the only way for him to end up like that is non-romanced, and taking lyrium.

[thats1evildude]

I'm not the only monster here
Dragon age Origin:
Circle given independence
“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

Retconned as never happening. Rumour only.

[sylvanaerie]

 

I'm not the only monster here

Dragon age Origin:

Circle given independence

“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

 

This never happened.  No matter how Origins ends, Cullen ends up in Kirkwall, not batsh*t eating insane and whacking off mages everywhere he sees one.

 

And good to know about the romance+lyrium thing.  I could have sworn any option to tell him "Continue" ended the romance, but admittedly, I didn't mull over it for long.  I supported his efforts to kick the habit.

[Babelas]

 

I'm not the only monster here

Dragon age Origin:

Circle given independence

“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

 

Because forgiveness is for losers and seeking vengeance always proves to be a worthwhile endeavor that doesn't end as a mirror reflection of the original mistake.

[Darkly Tranquil]

The dream is real. I've been wanting to end Cullen since Origins.

[Arshei]

Because forgiveness is for losers and seeking vengeance always proves to be a worthwhile endeavor that doesn't end as a mirror reflection of the original mistake.

 

I'm not sure if an intelligent person should "forgive" Hitler after kill million of people.. Just saying..

 

 

This never happened.  No matter how Origins ends, Cullen ends up in Kirkwall, not batsh*t eating insane and whacking off mages everywhere he sees one.

 

And good to know about the romance+lyrium thing.  I could have sworn any option to tell him "Continue" ended the romance, but admittedly, I didn't mull over it for long.  I supported his efforts to kick the habit.

 

My epilogue is a lie then?
I believe more in the ORIGINAL GAME, instead of a "Come on guys, let's change Cullen to make the fangirls scream"

(Cullen "escaped" to Kirkwall after that I guess")

[sylvanaerie]

I'm not sure if an intelligent person should "forgive" Hitler after kill million of people.. Just saying..

 

 

 

My epilogue is a lie then?
I believe more in the ORIGINAL GAME, instead of a "Come on guys, let's change Cullen to make the fangirls scream"

(Cullen "escaped" to Kirkwall after that I guess")

 

Nope, if you ask him, he will tell you Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall because he was having a hard time dealing with the mages after what happened in Ferelden's Circle and Gregoir thought distance would help.  And, please, my "original game" also said Anders stayed with the wardens for the rest of his life.  And that got shot to helloooo nurse.  And the Dalish settled in the south.  Weren't no damn Dalish to be found in Ferelden in DAI. 

 

Slides are 'what might have happened if  you never pick up another Dragon Age game".  Or "rumors" you may have heard in passing.  Obviously they didn't happen since Anders has a presence in DA2 and ISN'T with the wardens and Cullen is in Kirkwall in DA2 and is the Commander of the Inquisitor's forces in DAI.  

Now, unless you just want to say "I invalidate sequels because I prefer this ending for him", it means you can't ever play DA2 or DAI because Cullen has a different arc to his character than what you want.  Cause he's in them.  You can't just ignore him.  He has cutscenes you can't avoid.

[Arshei]

Nope, if you ask him, he will tell you Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall because he was having a hard time dealing with the mages after what happened in Ferelden's Circle and Gregoir thought distance would help.  And, please, my "original game" also said Anders stayed with the wardens for the rest of his life.  And that got shot to helloooo nurse.  And the Dalish settled in the south.  Weren't no damn Dalish to be found in Ferelden in DAI. 

 

Slides are 'what might have happened if  you never pick up another Dragon Age game".  Or "rumors" you may have heard in passing.  Obviously they didn't happen since Anders has a presence in DA2 and ISN'T with the wardens and Cullen is in Kirkwall in DA2 and is the Commander of the Inquisitor's forces in DAI.  

Now, unless you just want to say "I invalidate sequels because I prefer this ending for him", it means you can't ever play DA2 or DAI because Cullen has a different arc to his character than what you want.  Cause he's in them.  You can't just ignore him.  He has cutscenes you can't avoid.

 

Nope, if i don't want to defeat the blight in Dragon age: Origin then Thedas is destroyed and Dragon age 2 and Inquisition doesn't exist to me.

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Isn't the same about Anders, in the epilogue don't mention he and Justice are one.

About what Cullen says... You know the people can lie?

If Iron bull, Isabela, Blackwall, Vivienne, Solas, Anders, Zevran, and a long list can lie, what stop Cullen to do that?

[CoM Solaufein]

Even my nasty elf who doesn't care much for shems doesn't let Cullen become an addict.

[roselavellan]

Retconned as never happening. Rumour only.

 

I heard it was retconned, but where was that confirmed? Because he can still be sent to Kirkwall even after killing the 3 mages, right?

[sylvanaerie]

Nope, if i don't want to defeat the blight in Dragon age: Origin then Thedas is destroyed and Dragon age 2 and Inquisition doesn't exist to me.

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Isn't the same about Anders, in the epilogue don't mention he and Justice are one.

About what Cullen says... You know the people can lie?

If Iron bull, Isabela, Blackwall, Vivienne, Solas, Anders, Zevran, and a long list can lie, what stop Cullen to do that?

 

I'm not arsed enough to care.  Seems like you are just arguing to argue, but your point is moot.  He had a different destiny.  It's canon that he left Ferelden, went to Kirkwall, was recruited by Cassandra to the Inquisition and helped the Inquisitor defeat Corypheus.  If you want to whine and complain and be all butthurt about a retconned ending slide from a game 6 years ago, feel free.  It's your blood pressure, not mine.

[themikefest]

I haven't played the dlc, but I've always supported him in trying to kick the habit. Once I get the dlc, I might have him continue taking the lyrium to get that slide.

[thats1evildude]

I heard it was retconned, but where was that confirmed? Because he can still be sent to Kirkwall even after killing the 3 mages, right?

Umm, no. He would be kicked out of the templar order at that point and be an outlaw.

But if you're looking for an official source, there's no mention of any murdered mages in his bio in World of Thedas Volume 2.

Cullen was transferred to Kirkwall because he had become resentful of the mages AND his fellow templars, who didn't have to endure the same tortures he did.

My epilogue is a lie then?

Yes. They have stated outright that those epilogue slides were just rumours. In a few cases, the slides did occur, but events kept them from being permanent.

For instance, when Alistair tried to declare the Ferelden Circle's independence, the Chantry put its foot down and said no.

[AresKeith]

I heard it was retconned, but where was that confirmed? Because he can still be sent to Kirkwall even after killing the 3 mages, right?

 

The devs confirmed the epilogues to be rumors

 

Edit: 

[DuskWanderer]

 

I'm not the only monster here

Dragon age Origin:

Circle given independence

“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

 

A rumour. The epilogue slides are stated that they are not the truth, merely stories. DA2 and DA: I did not retcon. 

[Arshei]

A rumour. The epilogue slides are stated that they are not the truth, merely stories. DA2 and DA: I did not retcon. 

 

Then is a lie the epilogue of Trespasser?

Maybe our inquisitor is dead and is just "a rumor" he is still alive.

[roselavellan]

Umm, no. He would be kicked out of the templar order at that point and be an outlaw.

But if you're looking for an official source, there's no mention of any murdered mages in his bio in World of Thedas Volume 2.

Cullen was transferred to Kirkwall because he had become resentful of the mages AND his fellow templars, who didn't have to endure the same tortures he did.

Yes. They have stated outright that those epilogue slides were just rumours. In a few cases, the slides did occur, but events kept them from being permanent.

For instance, when Alistair tried to declare the Ferelden Circle's independence, the Chantry put its foot down and said no.

 

Ok, thanks. Well, if it was confirmed by the devs that it didn't happen, then that's good enough - I just wish I could see the actual quote; I've googled but couldn't find the source. (And I do feel compelled to mention that it doesn't need to be mentioned in WoT for it to have happened). It does seem like they are trying to present him as someone who's not exactly frothing at the mouth anyway.

[Arshei]

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”    

 

In all the epilogues Cullen is "bad", that cant be just rumors, part of it has to be true, i prefer believe in "rumors" than in the guy who says in Dragon age 2 "The mages doesn't deserve be treated like people"

Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.

[DuskWanderer]

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”    

 

In all the epilogues Cullen is "bad", that cant be just rumors, part of it has to be true, i prefer believe in "rumors" than in the guy who says in Dragon age 2 "The mages doesn't deserve be treated like people"

Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.

Actually, no, rumors can be false. The fact that you deny reality is your own fault. Don't blame Cullen or the writing staff. The portrayal in the games proves this to be true. If you wish to show that Cullen did what you said, you must provide proof (headcanon does not count)

[vbibbi]

This never happened.  No matter how Origins ends, Cullen ends up in Kirkwall, not batsh*t eating insane and whacking off mages everywhere he sees one.

 

And good to know about the romance+lyrium thing.  I could have sworn any option to tell him "Continue" ended the romance, but admittedly, I didn't mull over it for long.  I supported his efforts to kick the habit.