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[Spunky]

Ok, thanks. Well, if it was confirmed by the devs that it didn't happen, then that's good enough - I just wish I could see the actual quote; I've googled but couldn't find the source. (And I do feel compelled to mention that it doesn't need to be mentioned in WoT for it to have happened). It does seem like they are trying to present him as someone who's not exactly frothing at the mouth anyway.

Not a quote but a interview on you tube with David Gaider. It comes up when he talks about the ending. 

 

[GoldenGail3]

Circle not given independence
“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”    
 
In all the epilogues Cullen is "bad", that cant be just rumors, part of it has to be true, i prefer believe in "rumors" than in the guy who says in Dragon age 2 "The mages doesn't deserve be treated like people"
Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.

All slides in DAO are confirmed rumors of what could been. But his destiny was different, and I like that.

[Arshei]

Actually, no, rumors can be false. The fact that you deny reality is your own fault. Don't blame Cullen or the writing staff. The portrayal in the games proves this to be true. If you wish to show that Cullen did what you said, you must provide proof (headcanon does not count)

 

Why you don't provide to me that Cullen don't killed a mage just for being a mage, at least one.
He is really intolerant the whole saga.

[AresKeith]

Why you don't provide to me that Cullen don't killed a mage just for being a mage, at least one.
He is really intolerant the whole saga.

 

The burden of proof is on you since you keep believe a false rumor to be still be true

 

Unless you're just trolling which I'm certain of 

[DuskWanderer]

Why you don't provide to me that Cullen don't killed a mage just for being a mage, at least one.
He is really intolerant the whole saga.

 

Fantastic deflection, friend. It's clear you have nothing. Also, the grammar of your comment renders it incomprehensible. The only mages Cullen seems to have killed was abominations. 

 

You must provide evidence. You've been asked and you deflected, so I'll ask again: Where is the proof, in game or in supplemental material, that the Origins rumors  regarding Cullen were actually true?

[roselavellan]

Not a quote but a interview on you tube with David Gaider. It comes up when he talks about the ending. 

 

 

Interesting, thank you.

 

I wonder if that means they're more careful now with the epilogue slides, and we can expect no more retcons. I'm sure there's far more planning involved now than in DAO's time.

[thats1evildude]

Circle not given independence

“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”    

 

In all the epilogues Cullen is "bad", that cant be just rumors, part of it has to be true, i prefer believe in "rumors" than in the guy who says in Dragon age 2 "The mages doesn't deserve be treated like people"

Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.

 

But hat doesn't make any sense. Think about it: how could he eventually become Knight-Commander of Kinloch Hold if he was shipped off to Kirkwall and then recruited by the Inquisition and THEN went insane from lyrium withdrawal? Are you saying all of DA2 and DAI didn't happen? If so, why do you care what epilogue slide you get for DAI?

 

Bioware changed their minds about the DAO epilogue screens. What's presented in WoT Vol. 2 is what happened.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.

Knight-Commander Meredith would be much closer, and yet, still far from Hitler.

 

 

...Why am I even countering this?

[BansheeOwnage]

Interesting, thank you.

 

I wonder if that means they're more careful now with the epilogue slides, and we can expect no more retcons. I'm sure there's far more planning involved now than in DAO's time.

I think we can expect the slides to be more true, more of the time, but I still take them with a fair amount of salt. Some of the Trespasser slides don't really make much sense unless they take place after the next game. So I wouldn't expect no retcons, just fewer.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'm actually surprised that Cullen is holding up as well as he does. He went through some real **** and still holds it together somehow AND the lyrium withdrawal on top of it. Gotta respect that man.

[Arshei]

 

I see, a Cullenite hurt because her Culli Wulli isn't in true the charming prince.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm actually surprised that Cullen is holding up as well as he does. He went through some real **** and still holds it together somehow AND the lyrium withdrawal on top of it. Gotta respect that man.

Indeed, it's really impressive.

[BansheeOwnage]

I see, a Cullenite hurt because her Culli Wulli isn't in true the charming prince.

You spelled Cully-Wully wrong

[thats1evildude]

I see, a Cullenite hurt because her Culli Wulli isn't in true the charming prince.

 

Now you're resorting to insults because you know your position doesn't make any sense.

 

Just answer this question: how could Cullen have become a tyrannical Knight-Commander of Ferelden if he goes to Kirkwall, gets recruited by the Inquisition and then becomes a lyrium addict on the streets of Val Chevin?

 

Or wait, here's a simpler question: if Cullen hates mages so much, then how come you can romance him as a mage?

 

[Arshei]

Now you're resorting to insults because you know your position doesn't make any sense.

 

Just answer this question: how could Cullen have become a tyrannical Knight-Commander of Ferelden if he goes to Kirkwall, gets recruited by the Inquisition and then becomes a lyrium addict on the streets of Val Chevin?

 

She calls me stupid and i am insulting for saying Cullen isn't a charming prince?
Are all in this forum fat girls who wants love from a game!?

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Tyrannical Knight Commander he was always, or you didn't play Dragon age 2?

Recruited by the inquisition?, it is called fanservice.

lyrium addict on the street?, the end he gets if take lyrium again

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Romance cullen with a female mage?

Fanservice again.

[sylvanaerie]

I see, a Cullenite hurt because her Culli Wulli isn't in true the charming prince.

Seriously?  That's the best you can do?  I'm not the one making butt-hurt threads over Cullen romancers being able to romance him, and denying the reality that Bioware actually put the character in the game.  Sounds like someone's a little too attached to a video game character for their own good.    

 

But it isn't me.

[AresKeith]

Yep definitely a troll thread

[SentinelMacDeath]

First and foremost Cullen's a soldier and therefore he's following orders. You might not always agree with said orders but you execute them. 

He did his job in DA2 and in the end he came around and opposed Meredith, very much unlike many many other Templars. I don't really blame him for how he sees mages either. He's seen the worst AND was tortured. He's coming around though. 

 

I'd gladly be a fat girl if it means that I'm somewhat nice to other people ... just sayin'

[thats1evildude]

Tyrannical Knight Commander he was always, or you didn't play Dragon age 2?

 

Yes. I saw a man who started out with some radical views but who eventually softened with time. He even recommended sparing three mages during the anulment of Kirkwall's circle.

 

 

 

Recruited by the inquisition?, it is called fanservice.

 

I won't deny it isn't, as is basically every romance. But it doesn't change the fact that by DAI, he had become a decent person seeking redemption for past wrongs, and any of the things that he supposedly did according to the DAO epilogue screens never happened.

 

I'm not even a fangirl. I'm a dude, as my user name would imply. I just happen to like the character.

[Illegitimus]

Nope, if you ask him, he will tell you Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall because he was having a hard time dealing with the mages after what happened in Ferelden's Circle and Gregoir thought distance would help.  And, please, my "original game" also said Anders stayed with the wardens for the rest of his life.  And that got shot to helloooo nurse.  And the Dalish settled in the south.  Weren't no damn Dalish to be found in Ferelden in DAI. 

 

Slides are 'what might have happened if  you never pick up another Dragon Age game".  Or "rumors" you may have heard in passing.  Obviously they didn't happen since Anders has a presence in DA2 and ISN'T with the wardens and Cullen is in Kirkwall in DA2 and is the Commander of the Inquisitor's forces in DAI.  

Now, unless you just want to say "I invalidate sequels because I prefer this ending for him", it means you can't ever play DA2 or DAI because Cullen has a different arc to his character than what you want.  Cause he's in them.  You can't just ignore him.  He has cutscenes you can't avoid.

 

I have room in my headspace for multiple continuities.  So out there, there are parallel universes where Cullen became a lunatic, where the Dailish got their little realm in the south, and Anders never blew up the Kirkwall chantry.  (Spoiler.  Cullen blew up the Kirkwall chantry!  It's the law of conservation of lunacy.)

[GoldenGail3]

I'm very surpised that Cullen came out of Kirkwall sane actually, I didn't expect that (Kirkwall is such a crappy place...) and I love that he came out of it with a renewed sense of purpose. That takes strength and effort to get out of that place remontely sane, but Cullen did. I admire him for the feat on which he came through on. Plus, I kind of felt bad for him in his codex entry (In DAI, I was super saddened by it, and I love Cullen).

[Darkly Tranquil]

Yep definitely a troll thread

What? Because no-one could legitimately dislike him as a character?

[leaguer of one]

 

I'm not the only monster here

Dragon age Origin:

Circle given independence

“The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered.”

 

That was a rumor and proven false.

Aka, retconned.

[leaguer of one]

What? Because no-one could legitimately dislike him as a character?

Not much left to hate anymore. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

You all sound very defensive
It must really hurt when your imaginary boyfriend is in true Hitler shaved and blonde.

yeeeeah ... you keep telling yourself that. Hitler references are always in bad taste. Don't show much maturity either. 

 

 

What? Because no-one could legitimately dislike him as a character?

 

no, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why someone could dislike Cullen, it's more the way it's being presented, you know, with childish personal insults, ignoring of facts and the like.