That's what a retcon does, it changes the canon... Dragon Age has changed the canon of its old games quite a few times.
Arshei,
Please excuse me if I've got it wrong, but it seems as if you enjoy hating Cullen. You love to hate the character. More power to you, in my opinion. As a murderous, mad, mage-hammer, Cullen is a compelling character and can really get the emotional juices flowing.
In truth, I get the same thing from him, only I ignore whatever rumored, retcon correction has been made to canon by developers. I ignore it because I liked their first idea better. You can ignore it if you choose too and play your games accordingly. And you and I are not alone. Some of the fanfiction surrounding Cullen the mage-hammer I've read has been really, really good. Sometimes he's redeemed, sometimes he's a tragically irredeemable character. In my own version of Cullen-centric fanfiction, he dances around a role similar to Maferath with his lover, Magequisitor. That remains unfinished for reasons I won't go into here.
The people who love to love Cullen are entitled to their enjoyment too, though. Insisting that it must be your way, that Cullen is a murderous tyrant who deserves to die, doesn't really gain you anything. You can love to hate him without the agreement of others. And now that you know how to get the dying beggar Cullen in your games, go for it! Knock yourself out!
Whether Cullen inspires to thoughts of perfect fantasy romance or thoughts of vengeance, he is an inspiring character worthy of a place in three games now. That's something.
Enjoy!
P.S. I always like to head-canon Cullen redeemed by a strong mage who is just as good as Pride Demon Uldred is bad. It's a shame to me that DA:I glossed over Cullen's peacemaking with his torturous past. It must've been a time and money issue. Someday when I get the brass, I'm going to take the whole Maferath/Cullen role to the end. And I understand perfectly why you might like to see the Trespasser slide of Cullen wasting away in a ditch. You enjoyment of that slide neither breaks my bones, nor picks my pockets. 
Thats because Merdith influenced Cullen, keep in mind he was young, 20 years old. Just a kid recovering form some horrible crap that happened to him. And if you read the World of Thedas Two, you'll find that Cullen was very parniod about mages, to the point he hid in a mages closet, while watching and writing notes about them. I feel bad for him, he doesn't deserve what happened to him.
Then why is samson guilty for corphy?
Also meridith wasn't some "evil moral ruiner" if Cullen is the one telling her that the mages are conspiring against her.
She saw magic's evil (her sis killed an entire village) and it's shaped her. She saw kinship with Cullen. She's not "influencing him".
Aside from that why do you pity him so much? He did evil. Why does some sob story remove all guilt and liability?
Then why is samson guilty for corphy?
Also meridith wasn't some "evil moral ruiner" if Cullen is the one telling her that the mages are conspiring against her.
She saw magic's evil (her sis killed an entire village) and it's shaped her. She saw kinship with Cullen. She's not "influencing him".
Aside from that why do you pity him so much? He did evil. Why does some sob story remove all guilt and liability?
Yes, but he tried to make up for it in DAI. Oh and yes, it did influence him (he's still recovering for Kinloch, where he was totured and saw his friends die horrible deaths, you know). I image his greatest fear is ending up like her (Merdith) and he also didn't realize some of the charges against the mages. Sense, you know he was slowly coming back to his senses and all, but Merdith hid stuff from him when he started coming back to his senses, and the more he tried to know, the more she hid form him.
Source? I've yet to see any proof meridith hid things from her befriended second in command aside from his word.
Unless you think every character is automagically telling the truth.
He's still a hypocrite.
My epilogue is a lie then?I believe more in the ORIGINAL GAME, instead of a "Come on guys, let's change Cullen to make the fangirls scream"
(Cullen "escaped" to Kirkwall after that I guess")
Lol I wonder how that interview went.
"What are your credentials as a templar? Oh, you're an escaped madman guilty of murder?? Perfect! You got the job and you will be promoted to Knight-Captain in a few years, good boy"
Meredith was never that crazy
Source? I've yet to see any proof meridith hid things from her befriended second in command aside from his word.
The red lyrium idol.
Lol I wonder how that interview went.
"What are your credentials as a templar? Oh, you're an escaped madman guilty of murder?? Perfect! You got the job and you will be promoted to Knight-Captain in a few years, good boy"
Meredith was never that crazy
- Oh, you are the king/queen of Ferelden?, the most powerful mage of the game?, i don't care, I'm going to kill you and Anders.
- Our work is stop the evil mages?, don't worry, we have a useless door, Jowan can escape, and our solution to everything is the right of annulment.
- End of the world?, my work is hunt apostates, even if i am half dead.
- You saved my life?, I'm going to kidnap your brother/sister and try to kill her/him
- Peace in Kirkwall?, I prefer kill quanaaris
- Cookies?, o please enter to the circle.
It is a requirement to be insane to become a Templar.
Circle not given independence
“Once the tower was rebuilt, Knight-Commander Greagoir stepped down from his post and retired to a life of private contemplation as a brother in the Chantry. His health failed over time, and after refusing treatment, he perished in his sleep. Knight-Commander Cullen was said to be more strict and less trusting of the mages even than Greagoir was. He ruled the Circle with fear.”In all the epilogues Cullen is "bad", that cant be just rumors, part of it has to be true, i prefer believe in "rumors" than in the guy who says in Dragon age 2 "The mages doesn't deserve be treated like people"
Unless you have an official information from the developer in twitter or something like that, Cullen is still the Hitler of the mages.
I didn't get this, but I also heard the slides were rumors. Did you let Irving die or side with the Templar?
The red lyrium idol.
Which proves...?
Riiight... back to square one. Nice... Im done.
Well to be honest not everyone even got that slide.
Well to be honest not everyone even got that slide.
I sided with the templars and didn't get that slide >.>
Sided with the mages didn't get it either. <.<
Which proves...?
Every templar is an addict
Romance Cullen = romance a drug addict
Well to be honest not everyone even got that slide.
I honestly don't even remember the slides i did get... I was just arguing the fact it was actually a retcon. I'm glad they did, better to retcon the smaller stuff than do lots of extra work trying to fit every combination of slides into the next game.
Every templar is an addict
Romance Cullen = romance a drug addict
Rehab if you take that path.He is able to kick the habit without romance as well. He even gets others to kick the habit. He builds a place to help Templars kick the habit something like AA or NA clinic.
Rehab if you take that path.He is able to kick the habit without romance as well. He even gets others to kick the habit. He builds a place to help Templars kick the habit something like AA or NA clinic.
That doesn't change that he was an addict.
It is a requirement to be insane to become a Templar.
Lol thanks for the picture book story....I'm not a fan of templars, but I take it the point you're trying to make is that the Kirkwall Templar Order would legitimately take a violent madman into their ranks? I think you mean to say that it is a requirement to risk your sanity to lyrium. I doubt the ads say "CRAZY WANTED", but if that's your headcanon bro, do whatever floats your boat.
Romance Cullen = romance a drug addict
Does that bother you? Doesn't bother me. I like my elfroot through a pipe 
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This thread is beginning to remind me of the bestseller "Why is Garrus so popular?" thread or other similar threads about Liara or whatever in ME where a bunch of folks are just hella bitter about a character's popularity. And in these kinds of threads people also accuse fanservice as if it's a crime against mankind. Whine and troll all you want but IMO it behooves people to just let it go and accept that this is how franchises work. They aim to please. Worst things can happen to a story's integrity than your most hated character or a character popular among female gamers not biting the dust
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Completely neutral about Cullen, neither like him nor dislike him and don't really get the extreme hate. To me he is a boring character with little to offer but not worthy of hate. I also get why he appeals to women. He is wounded but tough man archetype who can only achieve salvation via whichever female is romancing him, specifically through the lyrium scenes, thus validating the ego of the woman romancing him as he needs her all the while being utterly devoted to her. That's fine, no need to hate that.
I romanced Cullen on my first PT. The sweet ending was nice and all, but it lacked the way the Solas one fit the plot, how the Bull one can be tragic if you kill the Chargers, or how Blackwall's big reveal can leave you devastated. Cullen is the safe choice, but nothing about it can end badly if you make a mistake (unless you force him to take lyrium, which makes him dump you). Kind of takes the fun away for me I guess. That ending though... Cullen did not deserve that! He ended up just like Samson and even worse.
At this point, romancing Cullen, forcing him to take lyrium and him dumping you, then seeing what becomes of him in Trespasser could make for a good tragedy.
Templars are fanatical naz* addicts, especially Cullen the Kirkwall Butcher
He deserve the more painfull death with all his templars sidekicks
Templars are fanatical naz* addicts, especially Cullen the Kirkwall Butcher
He deserve the more painfull death with all his templars sidekicks
Nah... my mage Hawke was the Kirkwall butcher. She joined Meredith in annulling the circle.
That doesn't change that he was an addict.
So? Does someone being a former addict make them worthless or something? Come on.
Nah... my mage Hawke was the Kirkwall butcher. She joined Meredith in annulling the circle.
You still was not a Templar and not a Templar commander, so you kill some mages but not as much as others by the lore
And yeah your hawke was a stupid to side with meredith and a betrayer of his father, unckle(not a gamlen) and sister and others mages who are related to his family and friends
And your Hawke get nothing from this, like really=)
So? Does someone being a former addict make them worthless or something? Come on.
Cullen is worthless even without addiction
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