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[Eyes_Only]

So after finishing Trespasser, I had to make another character to play through the whole game again.

 

But this time I have been paying more attention to Solas. Much like after you learn about who Blackwall really is, and how stuff he says before you learn this makes it so obvious. I thought maybe Solas might have the same thing. And in fact he does.

 

Cassandra's random question to him while we explored the Hinterlands

 

"Your timing could not have been better. You must have been in the area"

 

"Why indeed I was Seeker. I had come close to the conclave to listen in and by divine providence came across you as I went to see the Breach for myself"

 

I'm summarizing here as the exact dialog escapes me. But now I know why he was there. He knew something was going to happen. Maybe not to the degree of Corypheus developing a plan of his own. But Solas knew there was going to be something there.

 

Also Varric and Solas are talking as we traveled and I swear Solas said

 

"Sometimes those that try to make the world a better place, have the most regrets."

 

I wish I could remember the exact context in which he said that. But it was like he was trying to tell us something all along. And when he talks about how he explores the fade while sleeping. I wonder if he was asleep during the 5th blight and witnessed it all from the fade. I've been paying closer attention to what he has to say now. And I wonder if anyone else has caught any pre-game ending hints from Solas?

 

Sorry if this topic has been covered before.

[Abyss108]

The entire game is full of them! Faaaaaaaaar too many to name...

 

I like the dialogue you get if you take him to the future, he references "saving them", referring to his people, and there's a banter with Varric, where they talk about writing stories, and how Solas' favourite type of villain is the one by your side all along!

[Mlady]

It's all over the place now! lol With Lysas in Redcliffe he says that to achieve the world one desires, one must take drastic measures. And Cole knew all along so their banter is very revealing.

[Serza]

Even Solas' spec is a hint.

 

His spec is about MANIPULATING THE VEIL.

 

Who is better at MANIPULATING the Veil than the man who created it in the first place.

[MrMrPendragon]

These dialogues don't even trigger for me.

[Mlady]

These dialogues don't even trigger for me.

 

After Trespasser I started a new game and made sure Solas never left my side for every tiny quest I did, as well as the main ones. It all triggered eventually and I wanted to facepalm at how obvious he had been the entire time. Even him getting angry at you can have him openly reveal his plan, but it sounds so absurd that you never even consider he just broke and told you his true intentions.

[Eyes_Only]

Exactly. Its like with Blackwall. So obvious and in front me the whole time. Now I can't even imagine how I didn't suspect something before.

 

I'm playing a female elf warrior who is going to romance Solas and so he is in her group every time they step outside. I'm going to pay closer attention to his dialog and idle chatter as the game progresses to see what else I can pick up.

 

makes me wonder about all the artifacts we activated to re-enforce the veil.

 

And here I thought Mythal was sneaky.

[vertigomez]

I thought this banter with Vivienne was interesting, in light of certain revelations...

Vivienne: So, apostate. If the Circle is such a failure, what would be your solution? Would you have your fellow mages live among the people, unguarded, unwatched?
Solas: Yes.
Vivienne: And when they became possessed, or use their power to harm?
Solas: I would kill them. Magic is more elegant than a blade or a bow, but a murderer remains a murderer.
Vivienne: So you alone would pass judgment, repay murder with murder, or do we open this up to mobs and vigilantes? If you're going to dispense judgment upon violent mages yourself, you'll need eternal life and omniscience. If only there were individuals dedicated to finding and eliminating such criminals. Perhaps they might help?
Solas: I am certain they would. Until black and white distinctions perverted their simple minds.

solas. solas y.

[In Exile]

I thought this banter with Vivienne was interesting, in light of certain revelations...

Vivienne: So, apostate. If the Circle is such a failure, what would be your solution? Would you have your fellow mages live among the people, unguarded, unwatched?
Solas: Yes.
Vivienne: And when they became possessed, or use their power to harm?
Solas: I would kill them. Magic is more elegant than a blade or a bow, but a murderer remains a murderer.
Vivienne: So you alone would pass judgment, repay murder with murder, or do we open this up to mobs and vigilantes? If you're going to dispense judgment upon violent mages yourself, you'll need eternal life and omniscience. If only there were individuals dedicated to finding and eliminating such criminals. Perhaps they might help?
Solas: I am certain they would. Until black and white distinctions perverted their simple minds.

solas. solas y.

 

His view that everything becomes corrupted with time is his most standard theme. He brings it up in regards to both people and organizations. It's quite interesting, given what he intends to restore. 

[Tamyn]

That's one reason I always have him in my party and like to hear his comments on everything. Now I'm wondering if his artifacts are actually weakening the veil, rather than strengthening it.

[Paragonslustre]

I had to laugh when I heard this one.  Oh the irony!

 

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[Eyes_Only]

I just completed the story arch where you decide mages or templars. I chose mages and took Solas along. While his comments in regards to this "elder one" did not seem to hint that he knew all along, there is a few things that bothered me.

 

First is his capture. Or at least how he remained captured by Alexius. I know for story reasons he is in prison when you find him but could Corypheus really have kept him in prison?

 

Second is the final attack when the forces of the elder one are busting through the door, I saw Varric tossed to the ground dead. Usually you see who else you brought either tossed to the ground or already lying on the ground. But in the case of Solas, he was not there. It made me think that perhaps he took the opportunity of freedom and fled Redcliffe castle, leaving Varric to guard the door himself.

 

Anyone else notice that?

[ollyollyoxenfree]

Want to hear all of Solas's banter? Try this playlist by DanaDuchy. The first video has the bulk of it and you can use the time links in the description to skip straight to Solas' bits. 

 

https://youtu.be/b0z...3AxWpdyGtvLUOtT

 

FluffyNinjaLlama has pulled a few other Solas dialogue scenes that are revealing.

Reaction to killing the sentinels at Mythal's temple

Future Solas (including the "you would be wrong" line that I thought of immediately when talking to him in Trespasser)

Low approval argument where Solas pretty much tells you his plan in the middle of the main game

https://youtu.be/s4YixP8KhO8

[Ellawynn]

I just completed the story arch where you decide mages or templars. I chose mages and took Solas along. While his comments in regards to this "elder one" did not seem to hint that he knew all along, there is a few things that bothered me.

 

First is his capture. Or at least how he remained captured by Alexius. I know for story reasons he is in prison when you find him but could Corypheus really have kept him in prison?

 

Second is the final attack when the forces of the elder one are busting through the door, I saw Varric tossed to the ground dead. Usually you see who else you brought either tossed to the ground or already lying on the ground. But in the case of Solas, he was not there. It made me think that perhaps he took the opportunity of freedom and fled Redcliffe castle, leaving Varric to guard the door himself.

 

Anyone else notice that?

No, in my first playthrough it was Solas for me while the other companion I brought (Blackwall) was the one who didn't show. From what I understand, if you've triggered a romance with a companion then they take priority for receiving the "honor" of showing up in that scene. I'm not sure if that's true, or how it works out if your LI isn't there, but I can say for certain that Solas can show up there, so he likely didn't flee.

[EBDerevko]

I'm summarizing here as the exact dialog escapes me. But now I know why he was there. He knew something was going to happen. Maybe not to the degree of Corypheus developing a plan of his own. But Solas knew there was going to be something there.

 

 

Of course he knew the explosion was going to happen, he planned it himself.

 

He explains in Trespasser that Corypheus was meant to die unlocking his orb, but that his plan failed because Corypheus had already found out the secret to effective immortality. Solas was also the only one meant to carry the mark too, but the Inquisitor did instead (which should have killed them, so their survival remains an unexplained mistery as well.)

 

Solas was too weak to unlock his Foci, so he made it reach the Venatori, who then brought it to Corypheus (as Solas expected.)

He was just walking by the Temple that day because he wanted to take his orb back as soon as Corypheus had unlocked it and everyone had died in the place.

 

I still can't get my head around 3 specific things, though:

 

- Why at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? Why not anywhere else?

- Why Divine Justinia? Why not anyone else? Why was a sacrifice necessary at all?

- Why specifically at the day of the Conclave? Why not any other day?

[Nefla]

These dialogues don't even trigger for me.

Same here. When the game first came out I got very few banters, maybe once every 3-6 hours of wandering but after I started playing again right before Trespasser, I realized I now get none at all. I don't even get the battle cries anymore (one of the patches between December and then must have broken it completely for me). I didn't even know Trespasser itself had any banter until people on the forums started talking about it.

 

As for Solas' dialogue in the main game, there was one conversation where he asked the inquisitor what she planned to do with the inquisition when everything was said and done. I picked "make the world a better place" or something along those lines and he's like "what if you screw everything up worse than before?" and she was like "I'd look for where I went wrong and try again" he seemed inspired by that answer and when I played Trespasser I was like "DID I GIVE HIM THIS ADVICE?! D: " lol

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

The entire game is full of them! Faaaaaaaaar too many to name...

 

I like the dialogue you get if you take him to the future, he references "saving them", referring to his people, and there's a banter with Varric, where they talk about writing stories, and how Solas' favourite type of villain is the one by your side all along!

 

And what mistakes would that be exactly, Solas?

[NRieh]

I've  always had Solas on my party, and had high approval with him. Right now I'm in the middle of my post-Trespasser PT, all the dialogues and banters sound much different now.
 
Some are especially awesome, like his chats with Blackwall:

Spoiler

Solas: You have seen a great deal of battle.
Blackwall: We all have.
Solas: Not all, not like you. You live and breathe war. You understand it. It is home to you.
Blackwall: What's that supposed to mean?
Solas: I intended no offense.
Solas: We have both seen terrible things. We have watched death and destruction render that which we love unrecognizable.
Solas: It is calming to see something familiar in another.
 
Blackwall: You spoke of seeing death and destruction. Did you fight in a war?
Solas: There are struggles across Thedas at any given time. I doubt you would have heard of it.
Blackwall: An elven skirmish?
Solas: In a manner of speaking. You?
Blackwall: I was a soldier. And I... well... you know how it is.
Solas: I do indeed.
 
(after revealing Blackwall's true identity)
Blackwall: You haven't said much to me since... well, you know.
Solas: There is little to say. I assumed we were alike. We'd seen war, knew its terrible costs, but understood that it was necessary. But there was nothing necessary in what you did. You did not survive death and destruction. You sowed them. To feed your own desires.
Blackwall: I know that. I see it every time I look in a mirror. I try to make up for it.
Solas: By wearing another skin. You ran away rather than face what you had done. You wasted your time.

Solas: I wish to apologize for what I said to you, Blackwall.
Blackwall: You were right, though. I deserved it.
Solas: My people had a saying long ago - "The healer has the bloodiest hands." You cannot treat a wound without knowing how deep it goes. You cannot heal pain by hiding it. You must accept. Accept the blood to make things better. You have taken the first step. That is the hardest part.

 

 

 

- Why specifically at the day of the Conclave? Why not any other day?

My guess is that part of the plan was up to Cory himself. There are two possible explanations. First one - part of his ritual to cross the veil, something similar to the huge sacrifice the Magisters of old had performed once. Second one - it's politics.  His goal was to restore the old Empire, and completely destroying the chantry + bringing chaos seems like a good start. 
 

- Why Divine Justinia? Why not anyone else? Why was a sacrifice necessary at all?

Because he was ambitious jerk, and it was kinda personal for him? I don't think Justinia's blood was any better than one belonged to a random servant per se.

 

ps: Now I had finally triggered Solas' 'Veil' table operation, and I'm having hard time to do it. Something tells me that I'm going to have some real regrets about that 'strengthening the Veil' ritual. Sooo hard not to apply to the metagaming, you know.. 

[Tamyn]

 

As for Solas' dialogue in the main game, there was one conversation where he asked the inquisitor what she planned to do with the inquisition when everything was said and done. I picked "make the world a better place" or something along those lines and he's like "what if you screw everything up worse than before?" and she was like "I'd look for where I went wrong and try again" he seemed inspired by that answer and when I played Trespasser I was like "DID I GIVE HIM THIS ADVICE?! D: " lol

 

Someone on Reddit made this funny drawing about that (can't find the source anymore):

 

Spoiler

[aisyla]

The entire game is full of them! Faaaaaaaaar too many to name...

 

I like the dialogue you get if you take him to the future, he references "saving them", referring to his people, and there's a banter with Varric, where they talk about writing stories, and how Solas' favourite type of villain is the one by your side all along!

I like those too! I was screaming internally the whole time, like 'why are you taking this wrong, I'm not encouraging you !!' No matter what I chose to answer, he seemed impressed and inspired, which made me feel so frustrating. His character is really interesting and well written. There are really tons of remarks like that. And I love it all.....all the foreshadowing.....Somethings just keep hitting me after the big revelation. Cole is literally a walking-spoiler-machine, but Solas is not really making it hard. He has this ambiguous foreshadowing talk with almost everyone. More accurately, it seems like everyone has ambiguous foreshadowing banter. Like you said, far too much.

[Hydwn]

 

 

- Why at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? Why not anywhere else?

- Why Divine Justinia? Why not anyone else? Why was a sacrifice necessary at all?

- Why specifically at the day of the Conclave? Why not any other day?

 

The most popular theory is to sow chaos, but I don't think that's it because Corypheus with the anchor would not have needed to sow chaos.  He could simply have waltzed into the Black City.

 

My own theory is the nature of blood magic.  In World of Thedas, it's explained that it's not the blood itself but the pain that powers blood magic.  Kill an unknown, and you get the pain of them and maybe their immediate loved ones.  Kill the most loved person in Thedas who's mediating an end to war...?  That's a lot more pain.

 

The temple is also sitting on massive lyrium deposits, as established by Oghren in Origins, apparently partially corrupted from what we see in DAI.  Those must have helped with magic, but they don't explain why the Divine and not some one easier to get at or at a more convenient time.

 

It might also have just been ego.  Corypheus seems particularly offended by the idea of this god who had risen up in his absence.  He mentioned it often, says "Where is your Maker now?"  He laments the world has fallen into worshipping the Maker in his journals in "Under Her Skin."

[Mlady]

Of course he knew the explosion was going to happen, he planned it himself.

 

He explains in Trespasser that Corypheus was meant to die unlocking his orb, but that his plan failed because Corypheus had already found out the secret to effective immortality. Solas was also the only one meant to carry the mark too, but the Inquisitor did instead (which should have killed them, so their survival remains an unexplained mistery as well.)

 

Solas was too weak to unlock his Foci, so he made it reach the Venatori, who then brought it to Corypheus (as Solas expected.)

He was just walking by the Temple that day because he wanted to take his orb back as soon as Corypheus had unlocked it and everyone had died in the place.

 

I still can't get my head around 3 specific things, though:

 

- Why at the Temple of Sacred Ashes? Why not anywhere else?

- Why Divine Justinia? Why not anyone else? Why was a sacrifice necessary at all?

- Why specifically at the day of the Conclave? Why not any other day?

 

Your Inquisitor can ask Corpyheus why he killed the Divine and he said it was to create chaos. Solas simply waited until the day he would use it, so he could grab it after the explosion, only our PC beats him to it. Corypheus chose the conclave to attempt to make a statement about the Maker being false because of what he witnessed in the Fade.

 

I think what happened with our Inquisitor is, he/she was in the Fade with the Divine/spirit when the explosion happened. Like how they activate the Anchor as they are falling into the Abyss at Adamant.

[Cobra's_back]

I've  always had Solas on my party, and had high approval with him. Right now I'm in the middle of my post-Trespasser PT, all the dialogues and banters sound much different now.
 
Some are especially awesome, like his chats with Blackwall:

Spoiler

Solas: You have seen a great deal of battle.
Blackwall: We all have.
Solas: Not all, not like you. You live and breathe war. You understand it. It is home to you.
Blackwall: What's that supposed to mean?
Solas: I intended no offense.
Solas: We have both seen terrible things. We have watched death and destruction render that which we love unrecognizable.
Solas: It is calming to see something familiar in another.
 
Blackwall: You spoke of seeing death and destruction. Did you fight in a war?
Solas: There are struggles across Thedas at any given time. I doubt you would have heard of it.
Blackwall: An elven skirmish?
Solas: In a manner of speaking. You?
Blackwall: I was a soldier. And I... well... you know how it is.
Solas: I do indeed.
 
(after revealing Blackwall's true identity)
Blackwall: You haven't said much to me since... well, you know.
Solas: There is little to say. I assumed we were alike. We'd seen war, knew its terrible costs, but understood that it was necessary. But there was nothing necessary in what you did. You did not survive death and destruction. You sowed them. To feed your own desires.
Blackwall: I know that. I see it every time I look in a mirror. I try to make up for it.
Solas: By wearing another skin. You ran away rather than face what you had done. You wasted your time.

Solas: I wish to apologize for what I said to you, Blackwall.
Blackwall: You were right, though. I deserved it.
Solas: My people had a saying long ago - "The healer has the bloodiest hands." You cannot treat a wound without knowing how deep it goes. You cannot heal pain by hiding it. You must accept. Accept the blood to make things better. You have taken the first step. That is the hardest part.

 

 

 

My guess is that part of the plan was up to Cory himself. There are two possible explanations. First one - part of his ritual to cross the veil, something similar to the huge sacrifice the Magisters of old had performed once. Second one - it's politics.  His goal was to restore the old Empire, and completely destroying the chantry + bringing chaos seems like a good start. 
 

Because he was ambitious jerk, and it was kinda personal for him? I don't think Justinia's blood was any better than one belonged to a random servant per se.

 

ps: Now I had finally triggered Solas' 'Veil' table operation, and I'm having hard time to do it. Something tells me that I'm going to have some real regrets about that 'strengthening the Veil' ritual. Sooo hard not to apply to the metagaming, you know.. 

 

I started laughing when I did the "Measuring Veil Strength" table mission. This is Solas getting us to do his work for him. Well the next Champion will have to deal with it.

[Eyes_Only]

how does one get the cole dialog? I assume you need to bring him and Solas on outings into the world? because I can't stand cole.

 

My thought on Corypheus killing the divine and destroying the conclave is this. He wanted chaos. And what better place to bring chaos then the conclave where peace was expected. mages and templars went there in the hopes of peace. Instead massive explosion killing everyone important enough to be there. This was to throw the world into the chaos he wished to seek. Who would have stopped him? No templars, no mages, no wardens.

 

By complete accident we happened to be there. We being there threw a wrench in both his and Solas's plans.

 

I think Solas however seeing the plans spoiled by an elf (my inquisitor) at least saw a plus side heh

[ollyollyoxenfree]

how does one get the cole dialog? I assume you need to bring him and Solas on outings into the world? because I can't stand cole.

 

 

 

If you mean the dialogue from DanaDuchy's compilation video then that's banter from walking around. Note that there's cut dialogue in that video as well so not all of it will naturally trigger. There's Solas-Cole dialogue that's a reaction to Cole killing the templar in his personal quest, which isn't an option in the game anymore.