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[The_Mac23]

Boom. Discuss and let the insults toward me come!

[GoldenGail3]

Why?

[The_Mac23]

Honestly, he fit the mold better than the HoF.

Bastard child sent away to become a Templar

Recruited by Duncan as a Grey Warden

Spent time associating with other Wardens and found bonds of brotherhood with them

Participated at Ostagar and sees Cailan, Duncan, and the other Wardens slaughtered and views Loghain as a huge traitor

Develops personal feud with Loghain, who is committing heinous crimes to cover up Ostagar

You, as Alistair, are saved by Flemeth and have to use those treaties to help build an army

Could have still used Morrigan, maybe put Sten through the Joining as a true means of Rite of Conscription

Build your army, get tricked by Arl Howe and kill him

Confront Loghain at the Landsmeet (way more personal because of how his actions doomed Duncan and your brother)

Confront the Archdemon and choose to stay on as a Warden instead of being Eamon's puppet on the throne.

I just think it would have flowed so much better overall with Alistair. Customize him how you'd want, develop his personality how you want by your actions.

The HoF just never felt like he... Belonged I guess.

[Xetykins]

But but...I'd had never been able to romance that dork oh the horror!

[sjsharp2011]

But but...I'd had never been able to romance that dork oh the horror!

 

 

Indeed we'd have never had the option of playing female either or played as a dwarf/elf if we had to play as him. In fairness I quite like the way DAO is structured as a story because of the 3 games I'd say Origins has the strongest story

[FKA_Servo]

Nah.

 

Thing is, lots of the stuff in that list apply just as fully and appropriately to fCousland (Ferelden nobility), who can end up marrying him and ruling. Loghain's collaboration with Howe certainly makes it just as personal as it does with Alistair.

 

I actually think she's the absolute best "choice" as HoF, narratively speaking.

[sjsharp2011]

Nah.

 

Thing is, lots of the stuff in that list apply just as fully and appropriately to fCousland (Ferelden nobility), who can end up marrying him and ruling. Loghain's collaboration with Howe certainly makes it just as personal as it does with Alistair.

 

I actually think she's the absolute best "choice" as HoF, narratively speaking.

yeah I've not experienced it as a female Cousland yet but I'm experiencing it now as a male one so I can see what your saying.

[thats1evildude]

The darkspawn agree!

 

[The_Mac23]

look at series like Witcher. You can't roll a random character, and it's a male protagonist. Certainly doesn't seem to deter anyone and is the much better series as a whole.

[FKA_Servo]

look at series like Witcher. You can't roll a random character, and it's a male protagonist. Certainly doesn't seem to deter anyone and is the much better series as a whole.

 

Eminently debatable. I hold that the Witcher series has 1.3 good games, 1.6 if we're being charitable. And the set protagonist (not to mention the fact that they are action games) is plenty deterrent for a lot of vocal folks around here.

 

That's a terrible example, and I really like TW3.

 

The thread is likely beyond all hope now, so maybe we should let it die peacefully.

[Xetykins]

look at series like Witcher. You can't roll a random character, and it's a male protagonist. Certainly doesn't seem to deter anyone and is the much better series as a whole.

I'd argue to my dying breath that it's just as good as Origins, just because as amazing TW3 is, it does not have Alistair /hisssss

[Panda]

look at series like Witcher. You can't roll a random character, and it's a male protagonist. Certainly doesn't seem to deter anyone and is the much better series as a whole.

 

There is reason why some people prefer games like DAO over games like Witcher. Default male protagonist is not everyone's cup of tea.

[sjsharp2011]

There is reason why some people prefer games like DAO over games like Witcher. Default male protagonist is not everyone's cup of tea.

 

 

Yeah I agree. Although I think the Witcher is good. I prefer the idea of working to solve a problem as a team concept which is what I largely consider Bioware's RPG's to be about. You play a leader of a squad/team that is faced with a problem to solve in the games and you create that leader and decide for the most part what the leaders actions are and choose how to react to everything going on. Whereas in The witcher at least in the Witcher 1 (I haven't got around to playing 2 or 3 yet) you are pretty much having to do everything on your own.

[Vanalia]

I love the Witcher series, but I totally avoid romance in it, because I'm just not interested by romances if my character is a male protagonist I cannot even choose. I like Geralt, but seeing him having sex with sexy girls, well, not my cup of tea.

 

 

And Alistair doesn't like to take too many responsabilities and to draw the attention on him, so he wouldn't want to be the main protagonist  I'm sure he would vote against that idea!

[sylvanaerie]

I much prefer the ability to make my own protagonist.  But poor Alistair, he doesn't like to lead.  Leading leads to garment challenge.

 

[The_Mac23]

Your own protagonist is a generic person who selects a predetermined sentence. As a male Cousland, you are simply a "pup" who has never seen battle. I'm supposed to believe you kill an Archdemon within a year?? And stop Loghain? Please...

The only origin that made any sense to me was the dwarf noble. Lord Aeducan was awesome. But a dwarf leading a group is just... I don't know, odd? Just wish they had done more with him vs Behlen. Make it more personal.

[sjsharp2011]

Your own protagonist is a generic person who selects a predetermined sentence. As a male Cousland, you are simply a "pup" who has never seen battle. I'm supposed to believe you kill an Archdemon within a year?? And stop Loghain? Please...

The only origin that made any sense to me was the dwarf noble. Lord Aeducan was awesome. But a dwarf leading a group is just... I don't know, odd? Just wish they had done more with him vs Behlen. Make it more personal.

wel in fairness it is a fantasy story it's not meant to be realistic

[FemShem]

Witches gives me nowhere to go for fanfic and I have to play a dude.

Don't get me wrong, the more RPGs the better.  Witches is good, but don't take DA:O out of my cannon.

I've roled all the origins stories now...oddly playing the female Royalty was a shocker.  I didn't see that story coming.

I have enjoyed writing Fem/Cousland FemSlash and there's more than a few women out there with an Anora fetish.

It goes beyond the game when dealing with an RPG, it's all the goodies that can go with it.  Witcher is just a game and is limited to that...DA is a lot more...that's why you have tens of thousands of fanfic stories in DA and less than 200 in Witcher (I'm being generous).

Fanfic is off-topic...so is Alister being the lead.

HoF...honestly, my first play thru was a Dalish Elf, but I didn't die, Morrigan conned me into living for my Lelianna romance, AND i did.  That's just some damn good writing right there.  I'm fine with going down in a blaze of glory...but how would my fake gf in my fake world feel about that...really?!?

Just a good sucker punch.

I'll be damned if my HoF isn't still with Lelianna in DA:I at the end of Tres DLC.  Impressive for making me import that over going with the default over a tiny choice that made a huge difference in the texture of the story.

Damn, I love DA's writers.

And just in case you had any respect for me, let me allow you to lose the rest of that by saying I loved DA2's party banter and action.  Yep, I'm weird.  Hmmm.  Why am I not having fun with my wife or gaming?  Why am I on a forum while she's home?

Real life calls;)

[FKA_Servo]

Your own protagonist is a generic person who selects a predetermined sentence. As a male Cousland, you are simply a "pup" who has never seen battle. I'm supposed to believe you kill an Archdemon within a year?? And stop Loghain? Please...

The only origin that made any sense to me was the dwarf noble. Lord Aeducan was awesome. But a dwarf leading a group is just... I don't know, odd? Just wish they had done more with him vs Behlen. Make it more personal.

 

You're a noble, which means you've likely had just as much martial training as Aeducan. And you don't do it alone, obviously.

 

And what's odd about a dwarf leading a group?

 

 

Nothing is odd about it. You've nothing to blame but your own harmful preconceptions.

[Xetykins]

I love the Witcher series, but I totally avoid romance in it, because I'm just not interested by romances if my character is a male protagonist I cannot even choose. I like Geralt, but seeing him having sex with sexy girls, well, not my cup of tea.!

Thank the maker I'm not alone on this. I was beginning to think I was the weirdest one out.

[The_Mac23]

Lol Thorin led other dwarves. Not so odd there. But did Gimli lead Aragorn, Legolas, Boromir, and the rest? Nope.

Misconceived perceptions? You act as if I'm offending the dwarves.

As for Aeducan vs Cousland. The Aeducans proved to have battle experience against darkspawn, as shown in the origin when Trian, yourself, and Behlen were fighting with Endrin. Cousland had nothing but being called "pup" by daddy.

[The_Mac23]

I loved the Howe storyline, but after that storyline is essentially dropped as soon as you talk to King Cailan at Ostagar.

[The_Mac23]

And why are my "misconceptions" so harmful?

[Xetykins]

You'd never know if the late King Endrin call his children nicknames like "nug humper" or "nug nug" or "jiggly balls" etc. Oh the options are limitless.

Dunno which one is cuter though.. a pup or a nug nug?

<-------- too much coffee and sunshine. Don't mind me.

[The_Mac23]

Lol true, they are cute names