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[Bleachrude]

Silly question, but what would a mage advisor do?

 

Sure, Cullen will offer some comments about templars but you also get viewpoints from solas, morrigan and vivienne However, that's not his main function. He, along with josey and leliana offer 3 ways to approach a war table mission. With overt force versus a stab in the back versus the allure of words and even here, not all war table missions allowed for all 3 options to be used.

 

If anything, it makes more sense to incorporate magic UNDER either overt force or stab in the back methods. 

[Shechinah]

Cassandra threatens everyone, its like a rite of passage.

 

Solas: "Cassandra suspected duplicity. She threatened to have me executed as an apostate if I didn't produce results."

Inquisitor: "Cassandra's like that with everyone."

*Solas laughs*

Solas: "Yes."

[vertigomez]

True. Though with Vivienne in the inner Circle we already have the mage who wants the circles back, so a mage adviser who doesn't want the circle back or at least wants major reforms.

Solas. Dorian. Neither of these characters are even remotely supportive of the Southern Circles.

[Former_Fiend]

Why would you have a mage adviser in a time where the mages and templars were pretty much at war? Things were not settled, and if you ended up siding with the templars, it seems highly unlikely that you would have much interaction with any mages of any kind beyond Dorian, Solas, and Vivienne (if you recruited them). Also, Morrigan actually does pop in far later and hangs out with you all in Skyhold - feel free to call her a quasi-adviser or whatever.

 

To be fair, the Inquisition did have mages with it prior to the option to recruit them. You witness Cullen stop an argument between them and some of the Inquisition's templars prior to heading to Val Royeaux. There's no reason why Bioware couldn't have written one of these to be a former Senior Enchanter or something who was too old to fight but experienced enough to give advice on magical matters and on dealing with the rebel mages.

[In Exile]

To be fair, the Inquisition did have mages with it prior to the option to recruit them. You witness Cullen stop an argument between them and some of the Inquisition's templars prior to heading to Val Royeaux.

The Inquisition got all of the mages and templars that survived the breach. That gets augmented by whomever you side with before In Your Heart Shall Burn.

[Former_Fiend]

The Inquisition got all of the mages and templars that survived the breach. That gets augmented by whomever you side with before In Your Heart Shall Burn.

 

Thought I edited quick enough.

 

Anyway, there's no reason Bioware couldn't have written one of those surviving mages to be a Senior Enchanter or something if they had wanted to.

 

End of the day I guess they figured with Vivienne being recruitable early on in the game, there'd be no need for that.

[MisterJB]

 

For one, despite what you may believe, mages are not the center of the world. They are 1% of the Thedosian population. You may as well ask why there wasn't an elven, dwarven, ferelden elven, orlesian dwarven advisor.

Furthermore, the Inquisition began as a Chantry lead effort to restore order. The only reason there may be a mage in it is if it was a mage who grabbed the Orb.

[Dabrikishaw]

Vivienne was almost an adviser, but became a companion later in development.

[Former_Fiend]

Vivienne was almost an adviser, but became a companion later in development.

 

Really? I hadn't heard that before.

[Dabrikishaw]

Really? I hadn't heard that before.

I only heard about it yesterday, but according to what I read:

 

* Vivienne was originally going to be an advisor. When she was changed to a companion, she was almost cut from the game entirely.

* Vivienne was originally a lot more cold hearted and murderous. Bastien's death was originally a result of her poisoning him.

[Former_Fiend]

Yeah, I just checked the TvTropes trivia page for DAI and that was what was on there. Not sure of the source; it isn't mentioned on the Dragon Age wiki.

[Dabrikishaw]

I'd like to know where the source is from too.

[Carmen_Willow]

While it's true that Solas and Morrigan fill the role - to a point - I think it would have been interesting if the game was made from the ground up with a mage as one of the three advisors. Oh well, too late now.

What purpose do you see a mage adviser serving. Cullen runs the military, Leliana, the spies, Josephine, the politics. What's left? Religion? You want the mage to be the spiritual/philosophical adviser? What purpose would they serve?  I mean, I have in Solas, the ancient perspective (even if I don't know it), and in Dorian, Tevinter's perspective (good and bad), and Vivienne gives me the traditional circle mage perspective. I guess Fiona could have come to the table to represent the rebels, but seriously?  After her huge politica/strategic fail at Redcliffe, I wouldn't trust her judgment anyway.

 

You could take a specific quest, and tell us how you see a mage adviser making a difference to the game and the perspective. That might be helpful in seeing your point.

[Carmen_Willow]

I only heard about it yesterday, but according to what I read:

 

* Vivienne was originally going to be an advisor. When she was changed to a companion, she was almost cut from the game entirely.

* Vivienne was originally a lot more cold hearted and murderous. Bastien's death was originally a result of her poisoning him.

If true, that's interesting. But you'd still only get one perspective, that of the Circle.

[vbibbi]

As if a mage would have any helpful advice.

"We need to help refugees in the south."

"I propose we get possessed by demons."

"You ALWAYS propose we get possessed by demons. How would that even help the refugees?"

"We could blow up a Chantry."

"Again, not helping."

"Use blood magic to create a giant monster from the refugees' corpses?"

"Listen to me: we want to KEEP the refugees ALIVE."

"...."

"..."

"Sell the refugees to Tevinter slavers?"

"Get out."

 

They could send apostitutes out to deal with the venatori...

[Leo]

So why didn't we get a mage adviser who didn't trust templars and the Chantry and would all but calls you an idiot for allying with the templars.

 

If we did get a mage advisor, I'm pretty sure they'd be a Circle/Chantry leaning mage and praise us for allying with the templars and hate us for allying with those fools lead by Fiona.

[Bleachrude]

Carmen Willow actually has a good point. The OP should list a couple of war table missions and state how a mage advisor would offer a different option?

 

Hell, I'll even start it off because I;m curious myself if anyone can offer a potential avenue for a mage advisor..

A nobleman's concern - this is the first wartable mission open to all inquisitors that all advisors have possible options with.

[Illegitimus]

Why was their no mage adviser? We have Leliana a Chantry sister and right hand of the divine. Cullen who is a former Knight-Commander, Josephine who is pretty neutral. And in the beginning Cassandra could be kinda be considered an adviser is a Seeker.

 

The reason why there's no mage on the council is because the Inquisition is ultimately a splinter group of the Chantry.  So of course they aren't going to put a mage into a position of command...unless that mage is absolutely essential because it's the Herald.  

[AresKeith]

Sure there is. Cullen gives you perspective on the Templar Order. A mage would do the same.

 

That has nothing to do with him being a military advisor though, Vivienne does the same and she's a companion

[thetinyevil]

That has nothing to do with him being a military advisor though, Vivienne does the same and she's a companion

Vivienne doesn't give you a mage's perspective. She gives you the Chantry's anti-mage perspective just worded differently.

[AresKeith]

Vivienne doesn't give you a mage's perspective. She gives you the Chantry's anti-mage perspective just worded differently.

 

[The Hierophant]

Vivienne doesn't give you a mage's perspective. She gives you the Chantry's anti-mage perspective just worded differently.

[DebatableBubble]

It's threads like these that make me wish the franchise's story had taken a different turn. But no, it's either elves v. humans and mages v. templars. 

[thats1evildude]

Vivienne doesn't give you a mage's perspective. She gives you the Chantry's anti-mage perspective just worded differently.

Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.

[Face of Evil]

Vivienne doesn't give you a mage's perspective. She gives you the Chantry's anti-mage perspective just worded differently.

And she's no true Scotsman either!