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[Natureguy85]

 

> From very early in Mass Effect 1, the Reapers were built up as this unstoppable force so we were always going to need some kind of space magic powered weapon to defeat them. I'm generally not a huge fan of the "Let's just build one weapon based on ancient/experimental tech and kill everything in one go with it!" thing. Personally I would prefer an enemy that is very tough and a huge threat, but not built up as an unstoppable force.

 

That was true in Mass Effect, but defeating a Reaper and developing technology from it, such as the Thanix Cannon, should change things.

[9TailsFox]

That was true in Mass Effect, but defeating a Reaper and developing technology from it, such as the Thanix Cannon, should change things.

This people talk like reapers some omnipotent beings. Even in Star trek Q can be killed by Q weapons used by primitives. No mater how strong or immortal you are someone is stronger and can kill you.

 

It's like, I am immortal demon no weapon can kill me.

 

Reapers invincible? One was killed by big worm. We shouldn't try build some magic microphone, we should somehow remove or bypass reapers shields.

[Chealec]

Well this isn't true at all.  It sounds like you didn't pick Synthesis and are guessing at what happens.

 

Really:

 

from about 4:10 (or 4:30 for Krogan scene)

 

vs from about 3:40 (or 5:20 for identical Krogan scene)

 

... and yes, I've done every ending (after several reloads from the point where you "beam up")

[Cheviot]

Really:

 

from about 4:10 (or 4:30 for Krogan scene)

 

vs from about 3:40 (or 5:20 for identical Krogan scene)

 

... and yes, I've done every ending (after several reloads from the point where you "beam up")

It looks like you're mistaking shock for a lack of emotion.  The Reapers falling down dead didn't seem likely, but it was at least one of the expected outcomes.  The Reapers suddenly deciding to leave, on the other hand, was totally unexpected and so would suprise the troops, so they wouldn't raise their arms in victory because they weren't exactly sure what was going on. It would be like saying that the destruction of all the surrounding husks (4:00-4:10 in the second video) made the surviving humans emotionless because they didn't start jumping for joy.

[Chealec]

It looks like you're mistaking shock for a lack of emotion.  The Reapers falling down dead didn't seem likely, but it was at least one of the expected outcomes.  The Reapers suddenly deciding to leave, on the other hand, was totally unexpected and so would suprise the troops, so they wouldn't raise their arms in victory because they weren't exactly sure what was going on. It would be like saying that the destruction of all the surrounding husks (4:00-4:10 in the second video) made the surviving humans emotionless because they didn't start jumping for joy.

 

The response was in answer to there being a "party" - either way, there's no party with Synthesis.

[Cheviot]

The response was in answer to there being a "party" - either way, there's no party with Synthesis.

Course there's a "party" with Synthesis; at the very least there's the multiple housewarming parties on Rannoch as the Geth and Quarians move in. 

[Chealec]

Course there's a "party" with Synthesis; at the very least there's the multiple housewarming parties on Rannoch as the Geth and Quarians move in. 

 

That's not actually shown one way or the other - so your headcanon is different to mine *shrugs*

[Natureguy85]

It looks like you're mistaking shock for a lack of emotion.  The Reapers falling down dead didn't seem likely, but it was at least one of the expected outcomes.  The Reapers suddenly deciding to leave, on the other hand, was totally unexpected and so would suprise the troops, so they wouldn't raise their arms in victory because they weren't exactly sure what was going on. It would be like saying that the destruction of all the surrounding husks (4:00-4:10 in the second video) made the surviving humans emotionless because they didn't start jumping for joy.

 

Then why do they celebrate in Control, where the Reapers just leave? I'd say that it's more confusion than shock, really.

[Iakus]

Course there's a "party" with Synthesis; at the very least there's the multiple housewarming parties on Rannoch as the Geth and Quarians move in. 

Party time!

 

[9TailsFox]

Party time!

 

Imagine being husk and getting back you mind.

[AlanC9]

This people talk like reapers some omnipotent beings.

Who's actually saying that? I was talking like the MEU was deliberately set up so that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally, any more than Japan could have defeated the US conventionally in 1945. Of course, the writers could have designed the universe differntly, but they did not.

[SinisterSquash]

Imagine being husk and getting back you mind.

 

 

 Or being a banshee and finally experiencing the joys of motherhood  ...

 

"Synthesis" by Efleck (deviantart)

[Mathias]

My personal favorite are the Cannibals. The ones that have an extra head attached to them.

[9TailsFox]

Who's actually saying that? I was talking like the MEU was deliberately set up so that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally, any more than Japan could have defeated the US conventionally in 1945. Of course, the writers could have designed the universe differntly, but they did not.

Everyone. Forum was full reapers can't be defeated conventionally. Yes they can if writers wanted it. It make much more sense using remains of reaper to build weapons capable of destroy reapers like it's nothing, than finding deus ex machina last minute, and using space magic.

 

This is what I expected unite all races and fight reapers, not stupid build your own deus ex machina plot.

[Cheviot]

Party time!

 

No wonder you're not a fan of Synthesis! You've mixed up Star Trek and Mass Effect. 

 

Boy, is your face going to be red when you realise! 

 

Seriously, you should check out the endings to the game Mass Effect 3 (not a scene from Star Trek TNG lol!), especially the scenes connected to the Synthesis ending.  In those scenes it shows that, instead of a monolithic collective like the Borg (so no need for Picard just yet lmfao) the Milky Way after Synthesis retains its various cultures, in fact those cultures thrive and grow to new heights.  The ending shows the Quarians and Geth getting along without building giant cubes too!

[AlanC9]

Everyone. Forum was full reapers can't be defeated conventionally. Yes they can if writers wanted it.

But they didn't want it, so everyone who was saying it couldn't happen had it right. I suppose we could talk about alternate-universe versions of ME, but should we limit that to just ME3, or should we rewrite the whole trilogy?

Anyway, the writers already adjusted Reaper strength way down from ME2. A few dozen Sovereigns at ME1 strength would curbstomp the Citadel fleets handily, and ME2 showed a couple of hundred of the things. ME3 made them both somewhat weaker and potentially far less numerous (since a large proportion of the ME2 Reapers could be retconned down to destroyer size.)

[Mathias]

Seriously, you should check out the endings to the game Mass Effect 3 (not a scene from Star Trek TNG lol!), especially the scenes connected to the Synthesis ending.  In those scenes it shows that, instead of a monolithic collective like the Borg (so no need for Picard just yet lmfao) the Milky Way after Synthesis retains its various cultures, in fact those cultures thrive and grow to new heights.  The ending shows the Quarians and Geth getting along without building giant cubes too!

Quarians and Geth formed peace without Synthesis and that also goes for other races thriving and growing to new heights.

[Iakus]

But they didn't want it, so everyone who was saying it couldn't happen had it right. I suppose we could talk about alternate-universe versions of ME, but should we limit that to just ME3, or should we rewrite the whole trilogy?

Anyway, the writers already adjusted Reaper strength way down from ME2. A few dozen Sovereigns at ME1 strength would curbstomp the Citadel fleets handily, and ME2 showed a couple of hundred of the things. ME3 made them both somewhat weaker and potentially far less numerous (since a large proportion of the ME2 Reapers could be retconned down to destroyer size.)

We could also talk about what makes a less ridiculous story.  Especially when SHepard (and the galaxy as a whole)  wastes so much time not working on a way to stop them.

 

If anything, they made them far more numerous, by confirming that the Leviathan of Dis was a Reaper, not a Farscape easter egg.

[Iakus]

No wonder you're not a fan of Synthesis! You've mixed up Star Trek and Mass Effect. 

 

Boy, is your face going to be red when you realise! 

 

Seriously, you should check out the endings to the game Mass Effect 3 (not a scene from Star Trek TNG lol!), especially the scenes connected to the Synthesis ending.  In those scenes it shows that, instead of a monolithic collective like the Borg (so no need for Picard just yet lmfao) the Milky Way after Synthesis retains its various cultures, in fact those cultures thrive and grow to new heights.  The ending shows the Quarians and Geth getting along without building giant cubes too!

 

Yeah, because they don't thrive by retaining their purely organic form in any other ending  

 

Wreav doesn't start a war in Synthesis, but does in any other ending where he lives.  Coincidence?

[Il Divo]

But they didn't want it, so everyone who was saying it couldn't happen had it right. I suppose we could talk about alternate-universe versions of ME, but should we limit that to just ME3, or should we rewrite the whole trilogy?

Anyway, the writers already adjusted Reaper strength way down from ME2. A few dozen Sovereigns at ME1 strength would curbstomp the Citadel fleets handily, and ME2 showed a couple of hundred of the things. ME3 made them both somewhat weaker and potentially far less numerous (since a large proportion of the ME2 Reapers could be retconned down to destroyer size.)

 

Were they retconned in terms of numbers? I always figured they did bring all those capital ships to play. ​

[Rappeldrache]

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Please, if you DON'T talk about "The possibile End" than stop highjack the thread.  

 

Please open a new one. You can post than the link here. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Who's actually saying that? I was talking like the MEU was deliberately set up so that the Reapers can't be beaten conventionally, any more than Japan could have defeated the US conventionally in 1945. Of course, the writers could have designed the universe differently, but they did not.

Had Japan captured Midway (something they nearly managed), that would have been a very different war.

[AlanC9]

Had Japan captured Midway (something they nearly managed), that would have been a very different war.

True. That's why I said 1945. In any event, Japan's only hope for any kind of victory was a lack of U.S. will to keep fighting (which is why Pearl Harbor was first-class idiocy). That can't happen with the Reapers.

Note that even if they had an inferior fleet, the Reapers have a profound military advantage in not having any bases to defend. Master of Orion players may be familiar with a degenerative syndrome that sometimes depopulates the galaxy, where neither side in a war can bring about a decisive fleet action but both sides can easily destroy an undefended colony -- if the Reapers choose this strategy, they can't lose.

[BabyPuncher]

As I'm sure it's been said, the Reapers are however strong or numerous as the writers want them to be.

 

It was probably a mistake to make one Reaper the match of several fleets in ME 1.

[BioWareMod02]

Hello everyone. Let's keep it on topic and avoid real world history debates. Thank you.