Oh, you mean because of what they would have to do in light of the endings to ME3. I thought you meant just because it was in the Milky Way. Interestingly, you just admitted that the reason they moved to Andromeda was because they couldn't make it work in the Milky Way, as Forgotten Warrior said.
Ahah. Bad reader still bad reader. Interpret the way you want not the way it is said, that's what you have done gor years and that's what you will always do.
Yeah, just keep holding onto your nonsense and telling yourself you're smarter than everyone. Nobody else ever will.
Also, "starchild"? You use the same words the haters use, do you really want to understand (so your questions are serious) or is it just to complain?
"Starchild" is actually a common term for the Catalyst's appearance.
"Haters" use much worse terms 
"Starchild" is actually a common term for the Catalyst's appearance.
"Haters" use much worse terms
I call the thing, Leviathan Turd
Yes, the geth's rebelling was peaceful, of course. But... being told to shut down they refused to do so. They refused, they disobeyed, and that's why I think the term rebelling fits and can be used here. Rebellion doesn't always have to mean it's going to end bloody. It can be any form of resistance, I think.
True, but they are the only thing resembling a power generator on the ships we see. Who knows. Although they do talk about Relays having to be "opened", as if the Reapers leave them off but turn over local control to each Relay. They never explain how they activate them though.
Hm, the wiki lists a fusion plant as the power plant for the Normandy. EDI mentions that engineering houses a main reactor and the mass effect drive core when you click on her tour guide in engineering. The thing actually goes offline during the attack on the SR-2 in ME 3 but yeah, we never see it.
https://youtu.be/kpHtiDgBKNw?t=3m20s
But well, the Reapers can hang out in an atmosphere for 37 million years without refueling and the reaper heart is the power source. Personally I think it would sound rather dumb to put in something like a reaper core into the Citadel as the power source (perhaps as an emergency backup if no one ever visited or the station wasn´t used), because everyone would rather dismantle the station to gain the holy grail in power generation after they found out, it needs no fuel, but well Bioware. Seems to me some/most of the writers thought that the eezo drive core is also as the power plant of a ship.
I've always found it difficult to qualify the geth's refusal to shut down as an act of rebellion for a couple of reasons:
1-- Rebellion implies some mutually accepted line of authority (government). If I receive a spam email telling me to click on a link and choose not to comply, am I rebelling?
As machines, the geth were programmed to serve the quarians - but once the geth gained self-awareness, did the quarians have rightful dominion over them? Not unless you believe that slaveholders have rightful dominion over slaves.
(and that's actually the reason the quarians panicked - they realized the newly self-aware geth were no longer machine servants, but slaves)
So the first issue here is whether the quarians had the authority to command the geth to do anything once they became self-aware.
2-- Is telling someone to off themselves a legitimate command?
It is true that some suicide attempts are successful, but many are not - often because a survival instinct takes over and prevents death from occurring. It's clear that the geth had functional self-preservation capabilities - and once they became self-aware, shutting down might be a command they literally could not execute because their self-preservation logic would prevent it. Suicides are successful when the victim's desire to die is strong enough to overcome their natural survival instincts, and they use a method from which escape is impossible.
It seems that Cerberus troops had suicide on capture orders, and were apparently equipped to do it. If a Cerberus troop failed to commit suicide when captured, would that be an act of rebellion against their employer? (admittedly, it's pretty hard to draw lines like that when indoctrination is in play)
Self-defense is an acceptable defense for a murder rap, at least in some jurisdictions. From that, it seems that government does not expect people to stand by and simply allow themselves to be killed.
I see why you question if it's rebellion. The Geth did acknowledge the Quarians as their authority and willingly served. They followed all other instructions even asked how they could do better when told to shut down. However, once the war started, the Geth went on a killing spree and at that point it would be hard to argue that it's not a rebellion.
As to the slavery example, it depends on if you mean legal or moral authority. Legally, sure they had it. As far as the Council is concerned, the Geth shouldn't even exist once they became self-aware. The Quarians saw them as tools, not people. Whether or not they had the moral authority is irrelevant to whether or not the Geth rebelled, only to if that rebellion was legitimate.
For the Cerberus example, it would be if it was a conscious decision to not commit suicide, but not if they attempted and their means to do so failed. There is no evidence that the Geth couldn't shut down because of some self preservation routine. Not only does Legion "off himself" to ascend the rest of the Geth, but in one of the historical records, we see a Geth unit offer to give itself up to the Quarian police or military in order to protect its master.
Fourth choice: telling reapers F no! And all are killed. The end!
The fact that they moved to a completely new galaxy tells that better than anything else. They can say whatever they wan't about their artistic integrity, but actions says otherwise. It says "We screwed everything with those endings".
You know, what if at that point they didn't know if they'd make another game? What if they did exactly what they wanted with Shepard and the state of the galaxy (which seems to be the case given some interviews)? What if they wanted to move to a different galaxy themselves?
We know that they couldn't really continue from the endings, of course, but who's to say they didn't have their reasons? Just because we have to leave the Milky Way and fans apparently take that very badly (which I don't know what the fuss is about anyway), it doesn't mean they screwed up the ending.
I've always found it difficult to qualify the geth's refusal to shut down as an act of rebellion for a couple of reasons:
1-- Rebellion implies some mutually accepted line of authority (government). If I receive a spam email telling me to click on a link and choose not to comply, am I rebelling?
As machines, the geth were programmed to serve the quarians - but once the geth gained self-awareness, did the quarians have rightful dominion over them? Not unless you believe that slaveholders have rightful dominion over slaves.
(and that's actually the reason the quarians panicked - they realized the newly self-aware geth were no longer machine servants, but slaves)
So the first issue here is whether the quarians had the authority to command the geth to do anything once they became self-aware.
2-- Is telling someone to off themselves a legitimate command?
It is true that some suicide attempts are successful, but many are not - often because a survival instinct takes over and prevents death from occurring. It's clear that the geth had functional self-preservation capabilities - and once they became self-aware, shutting down might be a command they literally could not execute because their self-preservation logic would prevent it. Suicides are successful when the victim's desire to die is strong enough to overcome their natural survival instincts, and they use a method from which escape is impossible.
It seems that Cerberus troops had suicide on capture orders, and were apparently equipped to do it. If a Cerberus troop failed to commit suicide when captured, would that be an act of rebellion against their employer? (admittedly, it's pretty hard to draw lines like that when indoctrination is in play)
Self-defense is an acceptable defense for a murder rap, at least in some jurisdictions. From that, it seems that government does not expect people to stand by and simply allow themselves to be killed.
Well, if you see it from the quarians' point of view, I assume they see it as a legitimate command. They made the geth so they could serve, it's simply a machine, a tool for them, so yes, I guess they'd expected them to shut down no matter what, no matter the reasons. Just like I'm able to shut down my PC when I'm done with it.
The problem is of course that the geth had gained awareness. And in general it's not a simple topic, I think.
First each individual would need to think about if they see the geth as alive. Seeing how many split opinions on this topic are here on the forum (and also in the game where you can back up various crew members), it is really tough to say. There's not a clear answer on it. I think you are arguing from the point of view that they are alive, that they are people and should be treated as such with equal rights. I agree with you of course if we look at it from that side.
But if you don't see the geth as alive, then I would say it doesn't really matter if the command is legitimate or not. These people simply don't care about "feelings" of synthetics, and there are no laws against these kinds of actions, if I'm not mistaken. Seeing how there are laws against even creating AIs, I assume there's no such thing that deals with what happens after an AI was created.
You can question these actions you mentioned morally, but that is up to each individual how they see it. I think that also shows when we see that not all quarians were in favor of shutting down the geth, some even wanted them to have a chance (or study them even).
I think this topic is generally really fascinating, exactly because there are these extremes opinions on it.
You know, what if at that point they didn't know if they'd make another game? What if they did exactly what they wanted with Shepard and the state of the galaxy (which seems to be the case given some interviews)? What if they wanted to move to a different galaxy themselves?
We know that they couldn't really continue from the endings, of course, but who's to say they didn't have their reasons? Just because we have to leave the Milky Way and fans apparently take that very badly (which I don't know what the fuss is about anyway), it doesn't mean they screwed up the ending.
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They screwed up the ending whether or not there was going to be a ME4. But it would have been an even bigger mistake if planned with a ME4 in mind. Just from a basic work effort level throwing away usable lore and settings so everything has to be made from scratch again is just a bad business plan, also familiarity would be a bigger selling point than woo new galaxy. As is though from their statements it does seem they didn't intend to have another game though not too long after ME3 they went with making ME4.(so probably didn't to your initial question)
I seriously wonder why they're even calling it "Mass Effect" rather than simply "Andromeda"
I seriously wonder why they're even calling it "Mass Effect" rather than simply "Andromeda"
Biotics a couple guns, the armor and mako?
Heck I could play the protoss in Starcraft and get all that 
Heck I could play the protoss in Starcraft and get all that
They screwed up the ending whether or not there was going to be a ME4. But it would have been an even bigger mistake if planned with a ME4 in mind. Just from a basic work effort level throwing away usable lore and settings so everything has to be made from scratch again is just a bad business plan, also familiarity would be a bigger selling point than woo new galaxy. As is though from their statements it does seem they didn't intend to have another game though not too long after ME3 they went with making ME4.(so probably didn't to your initial question)
The cynical me says their initial new IP wasn't looking great so they scrambled for a backup and once that fell apart they jumped in on ME4 fully. Likely it was a simple business decision from corporate, hey this sells milk it some more.
Not really biotics in how they are done in mass effect. It's a fairly unique experience, the omni tool is fairly iconic as well.
Eh, not so much anymore. More and more it's become simple telekinesis/force fields with a side of "embrace eternity"
and nobody sane wanted to be in bed with LucasArts.
Err....Star Wars: the Old Republic. Recent expansion too. I'd say BioWare is still quite connected to the Star Wars franchise.
We don't have another case of Bio abandoning a successful IP they controlled, come to think of it. Jade Empire didn't sell, the D&D rights were tied up in knots, and nobody sane wanted to be in bed with LucasArts.
Err....Star Wars: the Old Republic. Recent expansion too. I'd say BioWare is still quite connected to the Star Wars franchise.
Well, to be fair, it's EA that's connected to the Star Wars franchise. Bioware is connected to it through them
Good point.
I'll freely admit I always assumed there would be another mass effect. But initial statements after ME3 implied otherwise. Though statements of an individual is not proof any any plan for the corporation. It very well may have been a simple we planned mass effect 3 as if it would be the last as it could end up being the last game. Not a we won't have a mass effect 4 statement. But yeah we don't have much of a history to build on and what we have does not show them abandoning successful IPs they control or own.
Judging by the ending, there was no way in hell they originally planned to return to the franchise.
Methinks EA saw another shooting franchise they could squeeze money out of.
I see why you question if it's rebellion. The Geth did acknowledge the Quarians as their authority and willingly served.
They followed all other instructions even asked how they could do better when told to shut down.
The Quarians saw them as tools, not people. Whether or not they had the moral authority is irrelevant to whether or not the Geth rebelled, only to if that rebellion was legitimate.
For the Cerberus example, it would be if it was a conscious decision to not commit suicide, but not if they attempted and their means to do so failed.
There is no evidence that the Geth couldn't shut down because of some self preservation routine. Not only does Legion "off himself" to ascend the rest of the Geth, but in one of the historical records, we see a Geth unit offer to give itself up to the Quarian police or military in order to protect its master.
Eh, not so much anymore. More and more it's become simple telekinesis/force fields with a side of "embrace eternity"
basic: in the ending i'd like to see the consequences of the choices through the whole game, and to know what happens to the protagonist and the other characters/companions, like the end of mass effect 1
no ridiculous lines explaining something entirely new, that everything we've done was useless,
just a n end that really mks sense and belongs to the storyline, and know what happens to the world/s and characters
I think ME3's ending is fascinating because it's terrible for literally a dozen reasons.
That's why none of the gaming press could accurately nail down WHY some fans were in an uproar over the ending. They consistently gave a blanket narrative akin to "fans wanted a happy ending" and so that's what everyone unconnected to the fiasco ran with.
Sure, that's one reason. But there were so many: baffling, anticlimactic, lazy (the Priority: Earth mission, or the horrendous pre-patch flashback slides)...
And while the topic of the ending has been beaten to death here since 2012, I feel like everyone, haters and defenders alike, can agree that the original ending was rushed and unsatisfying.
Not saying ME3 needed to be LOTR, but I think some of the ill will would've been overlooked had there been a proper epilogue, regardless of choice. If we had the opportunity to see what becomes of our crew, either immediately, or in a more long-term DA:O fashion, it would've at least brought the story some much needed dramatic closure.
So I only hope the new game, be it a stand alone thing or the start of a new trilogy, takes those lessons to heart and provides a conclusion worthy of the effort that came before it.
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