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[Arcian]

There is no end,you can not defeat the creators its impossable.

Don't you mean impossimpible?

[DarthSliver]

And I agree changing the story at the last minute to fit the ending doesn't even sound like a good idea.

that wasn't even the case here to be honest, they just gave us an ending that didn't fit the story or the story of the trilogy lol

[ZipZap2000]

that wasn't even the case here to be honest, they just gave us an ending that didn't fit the story or the story of the trilogy lol

Depends how you saw it I guess. There was a lot of room for interpretation. Mine was that the ending tried to explain away the story to have itself make sense.

Irrelevant in the end I suppose because Buzz Aldrin goes on to invalidate everything up until the point he started speaking anyway.

[DarkLordAngel916]

2 movie endings bioware should take inspiration from.. happy and sad endings                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

[Morty Smith]

2 movie endings bioware should take inspiration from.. happy and sad endings.

 

The worst part about the mist was that they teased us with a picture of Roland and we still have no dark tower series coming.

[DarkLordAngel916]

hers 2 more because i'm bored and why not                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

[Natureguy85]

Not a huge fan of the ME1 ending, myself. OTOH, Bio did retcon the human council away.

 

The "human council" thing never bothered me. The paragon side, a mixed council with a human chairman, was totally reasonable with all Udina was saying. The all human council was ridiculous, but I always chalked that up to Udina rambling more than a serious idea. I don't see it as a retcon because it was a crazy plan of Udina's that never came to fruition. The actual problem is more of an internal inconsistency. I believe that the intro will refer to a human led council, yet this is hardly the case when we go to the Citadel. Though I actually don't recall my "new council" playthrough, so maybe it was shown.

 

 

I'm not quite sure what "throws them all in the garbage" means. Your choices still determine the ending. If you exterminated the quarians, they stay dead, for instance.

 

That changes the epilogue, not the ending, and even that wasn't until the Extended Cut. It's just the imaginary future of the galaxy.

[Eryri]

I'm not quite sure what "throws them all in the garbage" means. Your choices still determine the ending. If you exterminated the quarians, they stay dead, for instance.

But if you saved the Geth then choosing Destroy undoes that. Admittedly the sort of person who would sympathise with the Geth might be more likely to choose synthesis, but unfortunately for me I didn't fall into that category. I was fond of the Geth and EDI, but found Synthesis and Control to be (even more) unpleasant options.

I think the problem may be more that the crucible choice is so excessively momentous that it makes the previous decisions, even deciding the fate of entire species, seem a little inconsequential. I think I would rather that the ending was based on the sum total of many prior choices, which may have seemed trivial at the time, rather than one last, grand, choice to make after all the fighting is finished.

[Iakus]

I'm not quite sure what "throws them all in the garbage" means. Your choices still determine the ending. If you exterminated the quarians, they stay dead, for instance.

But whether they live or not counted for nothing towards whether you choose Red, Blue, or Green.  The final choice is based on raw numbers, not what you did to get those numbers.

 

You need EC just to get a picture of quarians and/or geth.

[Iakus]

The worst part about the mist was that they teased us with a picture of Roland and we still have no dark tower series coming.

Actually, Idris Elba is in talks to play Roland...

[DarkLordAngel916]

2 more for good luck huh lol...in my opinion if commander shepard had to die he should have gone out just like this                                                                                                                                                             

[DarkLordAngel916]

i have no idea how to line up the youtube videos.

[AlanC9]

The "human council" thing never bothered me. The paragon side, a mixed council with a human chairman, was totally reasonable with all Udina was saying. The all human council was ridiculous, but I always chalked that up to Udina rambling more than a serious idea.

Sure, but that's weapons-grade headcanon.

That changes the epilogue, not the ending, and even that wasn't until the Extended Cut. It's just the imaginary future of the galaxy.

What's the difference between "epilogue" and "ending"? Moar cutscenes? Obviously not, so ... what?

[Arcian]

        

>Lucas' edited edition

>[uncontrollable vomiting intensifies]

[Natureguy85]

Sure, but that's weapons-grade headcanon.

What's the difference between "epilogue" and "ending"? Moar cutscenes? Obviously not, so ... what?

 

I don't see how it's "weapons grade". The game never says it happens. It's just Udina spouting off. The tone of the scene and meta-gaming suggests it will happen but the idea is ridiculous to the lore and universe.

 

Epilogue: What happens after the story is over. So yeah, the slides and the Stargazer scene. Or the slides after Dragon Age Origins if you want to look how to actually do it properly.

 

Ending: The end of the story itself, so the time with the Starchild if not also including the scene with TIM, and picking your choice, up until the camera fades at the Normandy crash site.

 

 

Added: The funeral or celebration scene in Origins would probably go under Epilogue as well. You could also argue that the scene we're discussing with Anderson, Udina, and Shepard is Epilogue.

[DarkLordAngel916]

>Lucas' edited edition

>[uncontrollable vomiting intensifies]

it's still better than me3's ending lol

[AlanC9]

I don't see how it's "weapons grade". The game never says it happens. It's just Udina spouting off. The tone of the scene and meta-gaming suggests it will happen but the idea is ridiculous to the lore and universe.

Wait a second. Did you actually believe at the time that Bio's intent was for Udina to be just spouting off there?
 

Epilogue: What happens after the story is over. So yeah, the slides and the Stargazer scene. Or the slides after Dragon Age Origins if you want to look how to actually do it properly.
 
Ending: The end of the story itself, so the time with the Starchild if not also including the scene with TIM, and picking your choice, up until the camera fades at the Normandy crash site.

OK. That's a workable distinction. But I'm having trouble seeing why it matters. It's just different modes of presenting information about the world-state.

[Natureguy85]

Wait a second. Did you actually believe at the time that Bio's intent was for Udina to be just spouting off there?

 

No, but it doesn't matter. All it means is that it's a goal of Udina's. All we need for the start of ME2 to fit is for him to fail. It would have been great to have ME2 acknowledge this. Because that human council was never established, I don't see it as a retcon. As a gamer, you do have a reasonable expectation that this human council would appear in the next game, but that's meta-knowledge. In universe, it makes little sense.

 

 

 

OK. That's a workable distinction. But I'm having trouble seeing why it matters. It's just different modes of presenting information about the world-state.

 

No, because the ending is affected, albeit in an unclear way, by your total EMS, but not by any individual factor in the EMS. It determines how many options you have available.

 

So, for example, the ending is not affected by whether you saved the Quarians or Geth, but the epilogue is.

[ZipZap2000]

But if you saved the Geth then choosing Destroy undoes that. Admittedly the sort of person who would sympathise with the Geth might be more likely to choose synthesis, but unfortunately for me I didn't fall into that category. I was fond of the Geth and EDI, but found Synthesis and Control to be (even more) unpleasant options.

I think the problem may be more that the crucible choice is so excessively momentous that it makes the previous decisions, even deciding the fate of entire species, seem a little inconsequential. I think I would rather that the ending was based on the sum total of many prior choices, which may have seemed trivial at the time, rather than one last, grand, choice to make after all the fighting is finished.

I agree with most of this especially about your choices deciding your fate, its a much more mind blowing experience to look back and see the butterfly effect.

That convo between Adams and Ken about EDI being the ship or the ship being her body for example your decision here could have implications for the ending.

Catalyst could have confronted you with your own decisions and used them to plot a course to a new solution.

Or you know. Not.

[Orthiad]

                                                                                                                                             

The Mist ending was so bad it was funny. I mean they were so stupid it's ridiculous.

[DarkLordAngel916]

The Mist ending was so bad it was funny. I mean they were so stupid it's ridiculous.

bad as in tragedy or bad as in it sucks? to me it's one of the best tragedy endings  they were stupid  lol

[Orthiad]

bad as in tragedy or bad as in it sucks? to me it's one of the best tragedy endings  they were stupid  lol

Well, bad as in they were so stupid that i did not like it

 

I mean the monster were only going to killing you not torturing you or doing anything horrible to you other than killing you. So I cannot see how anyone would take their own lives if they were "only" being killed. I just can't see it.

[Statichands]

The main character will think he/she has won the final battle, it's all quiet until you hear "you under estimate the power of the dark side"

 

[Eryri]

Well, bad as in they were so stupid that i did not like it
 
I mean the monster were only going to killing you not torturing you or doing anything horrible to you other than killing you. So I cannot see how anyone would take their own lives if they were "only" being killed. I just can't see it.

Well, those acid-spitting spider things that kept you alive to lay eggs in you were pretty grim. I think I'd prefer a bullet to that.

[Orthiad]

Well, those acid-spitting spider things that kept you alive to lay eggs in you were pretty grim. I think I'd prefer a bullet to that.

Ah, forgot about them been a long time since i saw it.