Well that's simply because we understand this scene and exactly what happens. The body under the rubble makes no sense and was clearly a lazy attempt to say "look, Shepard lives!" because you got the high score.
It wasn't even that. It was a "ray of hope" that Shepard might live.
They had no problem giving us a half dizen endings where Shepard dies horribly. But couldn't even be bothered give us one ending where Shepard clearly lives.
Because it goes against the "Art" or something.
It wasn't even that. It was a "ray of hope" that Shepard might live.
They had no problem giving us a half dizen endings where Shepard dies horribly. But couldn't even be bothered give us one ending where Shepard clearly lives.
Because it goes against the "Art" or something.
he-hem... "Artistic Integrity".
It wasn't even that. It was a "ray of hope" that Shepard might live.
They had no problem giving us a half dizen endings where Shepard dies horribly. But couldn't even be bothered give us one ending where Shepard clearly lives.
Because it goes against the "Art" or something.
Why should they be obligated to include an ending where Shepard lives?
Why should they be obligated to include an ending where Shepard lives?
Why bother with an ending showing a corpse under the rubble?
Why should they be obligated to include an ending where Shepard lives?
Obviously they were not, just like fans were not obligated to like any part of the ending, or to thank bioware politely for their "art".
Obviously were not, just like fans were not obligated to like any part of the ending, or remain polite and civilized after that abomination.
You, my friend, have a very nice way of saying things. I salute you
You, my friend, have a very nice way of saying things. I salute you
Why thank you, my pleasure.
Why should they be obligated to include an ending where Shepard lives?
They're obligated to not troll the player with ambiguous scenes that have no purpose. Going half way with it just grates on people. Either let him live in one ending or don't. They need it cut it out with this crap. And besides, I'll post a question in response to your question. Why should Bioware be obligated to kill off Shepard in every ending?
It wasn't even that. It was a "ray of hope" that Shepard might live.
They had no problem giving us a half dizen endings where Shepard dies horribly. But couldn't even be bothered give us one ending where Shepard clearly lives.
Because it goes against the "Art" or something.
YES! This post ... 1000 times yes.
Why should they be obligated to include an ending where Shepard lives?
They aren't but the "breath" scene is lazy, much like the Refuse ending. Do it right or don't bother.
While Iakus is right that all it is really is merely a chance that Shepard might live, it is intended to be the "Shepard lives" ending so they can say it's there.
plus you have to work your ass off to get that ending and then they don't even bother with a proper reward ..
plus you have to work your ass off to get that ending and then they don't even bother with a proper reward ..
I just pretend that Citadel is the real ending, and they defeat the reaper after gathering enough forces. Screw artistic integrity or whatever they want to call it.
They aren't but the "breath" scene is lazy, much like the Refuse ending. Do it right or don't bother.
While Iakus is right that all it is really is merely a chance that Shepard might live, it is intended to be the "Shepard lives" ending so they can say it's there.
Here ya go sir, one pizza!
"Um....what is this? This is literally just raw dough with frozen pepperoni thrown on it! I would like a refund."
I am sorry sir but no refunds allowed. We gave you a pizza and here it is.
"But"
CULINARY INTEGRITY
the Shep lives ending is like one of those wishes gone wrong where you have to specify every single thing in order to get something close to what you really wanted without getting ripped off
the Shep lives ending is like one of those wishes gone wrong where you have to specify every single thing in order to get something close to what you really wanted without getting ripped off
Satan: Hello mortal. I will grant you one wish!
I want a product from Bioware that doesn't suck!
"Granted! Here is a vacuum cleaner made by Casey Hudson himself!"
What makes you think i would change my ultimate choice because of the geth? o_O try to read my post again, i'm not against picking an option, i'm against the option itself.
the Shep lives ending is like one of those wishes gone wrong where you have to specify every single thing in order to get something close to what you really wanted without getting ripped off
It wasn't even that. It was a "ray of hope" that Shepard might live.
They had no problem giving us a half dizen endings where Shepard dies horribly. But couldn't even be bothered give us one ending where Shepard clearly lives.
Because it goes against the "Art" or something.
What do you figure the process was? (I'm not in a great position to think about this myself since I've always been in the camp which thought that the meaning was clear; nobody'd think Shepard had died if that was a scene from a movie or TV show.) The leaked outline is unambiguous -- Shepard lives, full stop.
What you meant by "stomps all over what you previously did" wasn't clear. It still isn't.
For example: why would you cure the krogan? or why would you betray them if at the very end you make them (not only from a biological pov but by asociation: cultural and ideological) just like you?
Or in the case of control: why bother creating a main villain (TIM) that is, from the very beginning of the game, acting completly against his own ideals..only to turn him into a martyr that was always right? from an authors perspective: you butchered a perfect character just so that could TRY (and fail) to make SOME sense out of the story...also, if he IS indoctrinated, why would the reapers let him tell us that control is an option (and from a developer point of view: why would you make that option the "good/paragon/blue" option if it was the villain's idea all along?)
2 of many. The end is lazy, wrong and destroys more than what it builds
So again: I'm not against the end result of a particular option. I'm against the very existence of that option..i invested hundreds of hours! A lot of time that at the end of everything means nothing..since there is a last second decision that overwrites everything that i've done
ALSO, the only reason why i chose Destroy was because at the moment i believed that it was an indoctrination attempt (I still do) but with the extended cut and no more gameplay whatsoever, even if it ends up being correct they'll never show anything regarding the end of the original trilogy...so...i put my faith in Blast Hardcheese, shoot the red cannister, turn around and leave in silence..hoping that Androma MIGHT give me an answer that actually makes sense
Or in the case of control: why bother creating a main villain (TIM) that is, from the very beginning of the game, acting completly against his own ideals..only to turn him into a martyr that was always right? from an authors perspective: you butchered a perfect character just so that could TRY (and fail) to make SOME sense out of the story...also, if he IS indoctrinated, why would the reapers let him tell us that control is an option (and from a developer point of view: why would you make that option the "good/paragon/blue" option if it was the villain's idea all along?)
Particularly when the game has spent so much time and energy establishing that TIM's hubris and hideous lust for power is doomed to failure.
One analogy I read, that always seemed appropriate, was Control being like Frodo keeping the Ring, usurping Sauron as the new, benevolent, Lord of Mordor, and ordering his orcs to helpfully rebuild Minas Tirith. In utter defiance of everything previously established about just how evil and corrupting that 'precious' thing was.
Exactly, my friend!
the Shep lives ending is like one of those wishes gone wrong where you have to specify every single thing in order to get something close to what you really wanted without getting ripped off
Monkey Paw!
What you meant by "stomps all over what you previously did" wasn't clear. It still isn't.
None of your individual choices matter, except the ME2 base choice if you have the lowest EMS. Yes, total EMS matters, but it doesn't matter where that EMS comes from.
For example: why would you cure the krogan? or why would you betray them if at the very end you make them (not only from a biological pov but by asociation: cultural and ideological) just like you?
Or in the case of control: why bother creating a main villain (TIM) that is, from the very beginning of the game, acting completly against his own ideals..only to turn him into a martyr that was always right? from an authors perspective: you butchered a perfect character just so that could TRY (and fail) to make SOME sense out of the story...also, if he IS indoctrinated, why would the reapers let him tell us that control is an option (and from a developer point of view: why would you make that option the "good/paragon/blue" option if it was the villain's idea all along?)
2 of many. The end is lazy, wrong and destroys more than what it builds
So again: I'm not against the end result of a particular option. I'm against the very existence of that option..i invested hundreds of hours! A lot of time that at the end of everything means nothing..since there is a last second decision that overwrites everything that i've done
ALSO, the only reason why i chose Destroy was because at the moment i believed that it was an indoctrination attempt (I still do) but with the extended cut and no more gameplay whatsoever, even if it ends up being correct they'll never show anything regarding the end of the original trilogy...so...i put my faith in Blast Hardcheese, shoot the red cannister, turn around and leave in silence..hoping that Androma MIGHT give me an answer that actually makes sense
Yeah, I was mad that Control was an option after just telling TIM that Humanity wasn't ready for such a thing, even if it were possible.
IT isn't the story that was told, but it's not a bad way to interpret things. It certainly would have fit the setting.
Particularly when the game has spent so much time and energy establishing that TIM's hubris and hideous lust for power is doomed to failure.
One analogy I read, that always seemed appropriate, was Control being like Frodo keeping the Ring, usurping Sauron as the new, benevolent, Lord of Mordor, and ordering his orcs to helpfully rebuild Minas Tirith. In utter defiance of everything previously established about just how evil and corrupting that 'precious' thing was.
Very yes!
While I don't think it was ambiguous I do think it was poorly done. I'd have preferred a nod back to me1 and have them recreate the Shepard isn't dead scene there.
For example: why would you cure the krogan? or why would you betray them if at the very end you make them (not only from a biological pov but by asociation: cultural and ideological) just like you?
Or in the case of control: why bother creating a main villain (TIM) that is, from the very beginning of the game, acting completly against his own ideals..only to turn him into a martyr that was always right? from an authors perspective: you butchered a perfect character just so that could TRY (and fail) to make SOME sense out of the story...also, if he IS indoctrinated, why would the reapers let him tell us that control is an option (and from a developer point of view: why would you make that option the "good/paragon/blue" option if it was the villain's idea all along?)
So again: I'm not against the end result of a particular option. I'm against the very existence of that option..i invested hundreds of hours! A lot of time that at the end of everything means nothing..since there is a last second decision that overwrites everything that i've done
ALSO, the only reason why i chose Destroy was because at the moment i believed that it was an indoctrination attempt (I still do) but with the extended cut and no more gameplay whatsoever, even if it ends up being correct they'll never show anything regarding the end of the original trilogy...so...i put my faith in Blast Hardcheese, shoot the red cannister, turn around and leave in silence..hoping that Androma MIGHT give me an answer that actually makes sense
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