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[Terminator Force]

Liked for use of the word "pish".

 

Liked for use of the word "pish".

 

Did not like for making me look it up...

[Terminator Force]

 

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try using it with stability.

also, how's the argus with stability?

 

 

Yes, Vindicator need stability. But wasting a stability mod on it isn't bad at all since it's reload is very fast.

 

Argus has a unique feel as a max stability headshot machine. That alone makes it good enough.

[Quarian Master Race]

Has better does better dps than the desciple, eviscerator, scimitar, widow, javelin, viper, krysae, collector sniper rifle, collector assault rifle, carnifex, suppressor, scorpion, collector smg.

And nearly as much as the claymore, Indra, incisor, raptor, black widow, argus, paladin, eagle, tempest.

So why arnt you using it?

Where are you sourcing your numbers? Assuming all weapons at X without any mods or ammo........

Vindicator's base Sustained multiclip DPS (rounded to the nearest whole number) is 504

Disciple's is 526, Widow's is 557, Javelin's is 622, CSR's is 638, Suppressor's is 655 (assuming you are playing it like a derp, aiming center mass, and thus not taking advantage of its whole shtick in the 4x headshot multiplier).

It is also a fair bit behind the Argus, Eagle and Tempest, and does nowhere near(i.e. isn't even within 100 points of) the DPS of the Claymore, Indra, Incisor, Raptor, or Black Widow. It is especially far behind the Claymoar (more than 300 points or a 60% deficit), as well as the Widow, Black Widow and Javelin vs armored bosses (they all get full damage double and triple hits). Moreover, this doesn't take into account the even more massive burst damage advantage of weapons like those 4 or the CSR, giving them TTK's of Zero or nearly zero vs a wide variety of targets, which is arguably much more important vs anything that isn't an armoured boss unit.

It has comparable sustained DPS to the other weapons you mentioned, but most of them have their own advantages (eviscerator and Carnifex's burst damage and better mods, CAR's accuracy and controllability, CSMG's weight, infinite ammo and 1.5x armor damage multiplier, Scorpion's stagger, ammo proccing ability, ignorance of Armor DR and better mods) that make them better overall in the vast majority of circumstances

I don't use it because it is among the crappiest handling weapons in the game, with awful stability and accuracy combined with pretty low damage. It needs a build tailored with both stability and accuracy (and preferably ROF) bonuses to be half decent, but then has no advantages over rifles that can do the exact same thing and play almost the same way (Argus, Valkyrie, Incisor) but at a higher damage rate.

I would put it in the same company as the Shitmitar and Krysae though, right at the bottom tier of weapons in the game that aren't worth using for any practical reason apart from challenges or because you don't have the similar but better alternatives yet.
 

[GruntKitterhand]

Liked for use of the word "pish".

 

It's a pure dead brilliant word, comparable to shite, keech and ballbag in its unique Celtic magnificence.

 

And wholly appropriate to describe the Vindicator. And Shuriken, obviously. 

[Malaclypse The Younger]

QMR, I was pickin' up what you were puttin' down through that whole post...your opinion is usually worthy of regard in my book...until you got here \/\/\/ ... and I wondered if you'd elaborate...

I would put it in the same company as the Shitmitar and Krysae though, right at the bottom tier of weapons in the game that aren't worth using for any practical reason apart from challenges or because you don't have the similar but better alternatives yet.

Just curious...what is it that puts the Krysae in the same class as the Scimitar/Shuriken? Honestly, I have no opinions about sniper rifles that are worth hearing - that's because I don't like scopes and prefer high volume bullet hoses over big-boom artillery - but in completing the sniper mastery challenges I found the Krysae to be plenty destructive all the way up to gold. Yeah, it seems to be to SRs what the scorpion is to pistols and the falcon is to ARs, but I didn't find it to be so terribly underperforming as to lump it in with the Vindicator. Again, I'm no SR expert, but I can think of at least a couple of its colleagues over which I'd prefer to use the Krysae. So, enlighten me, if you don't mind, good sir.

Of course, as I've finished said sniper mastery I am unlikely to be spending time with any of them as they just don't suit my personality/play style (if I could I'd gladly lend out my Widow X to a worthy noob on a mostly permanent basis - as well as [preparing for flames] my Claymore X).

[Fidite Nemini]

Krysae is a niche weapon in the way that it has ****** poor effective DPS (after the nerf that is), but really good with dealing a number of very specific enemies like Husks, Abominations, Nemeses and Phantoms due to its proximity-fused AoE damage and its very high and thus reliable stagger chance, it's also very good at priming targets with ammunition effects.

 

But just by damage output vs single targets, the Krysae is indeed THE worst sniper rifle.

[Mgamerz]

I remember when I was calling for the krysae to be nerfed. I didn't know they would snuff it to death.

[stephenw32768]

The Vindicator was my go-to assault rifle when I used to play Bronze.  I distinctly remember it feeling markedly less effective when I moved up to Silver.

These days, I don't really use it apart from when doing the challenge, but don't mind it in Silver on a Marksman character, going for headshots.  In Gold, I wouldn't bother at all, the Valkyrie does the same thing better.

[justinman114]

LOL

[Quarian Master Race]

QMR, I was pickin' up what you were puttin' down through that whole post...your opinion is usually worthy of regard in my book...until you got here \/\/\/ ... and I wondered if you'd elaborate...


Just curious...what is it that puts the Krysae in the same class as the Scimitar/Shuriken? Honestly, I have no opinions about sniper rifles that are worth hearing - that's because I don't like scopes and prefer high volume bullet hoses over big-boom artillery - but in completing the sniper mastery challenges I found the Krysae to be plenty destructive all the way up to gold. Yeah, it seems to be to SRs what the scorpion is to pistols and the falcon is to ARs, but I didn't find it to be so terribly underperforming as to lump it in with the Vindicator. Again, I'm no SR expert, but I can think of at least a couple of its colleagues over which I'd prefer to use the Krysae. So, enlighten me, if you don't mind, good sir.

Of course, as I've finished said sniper mastery I am unlikely to be spending time with any of them as they just don't suit my personality/play style (if I could I'd gladly lend out my Widow X to a worthy noob on a mostly permanent basis - as well as [preparing for flames] my Claymore X).

IIRC It has the lowest DPS of any weapon in the game to start. Without a cloak bonus on a well built infiltrator with top level consumables it can't OHK anything but husks above silver, and even then It is incapable of OHKing anything but health mooks like assault troopers, which is sort of a big deal when the refire time is close to two full seconds and the reload close to two full years. You could use it as a stagger weapon and to AOE prime for ammo based combos, but the falcon and adas are better at that, and the venom is much, much better at it.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Re: the Krysae, iirc it fires so slowly without RoF bonuses that by the time you've gotten another round out, the troop you shot with the first one has recovered from the stagger and is already shooting at you again...it's, um...hm...not my favorite weapon, by a long long way.

[FOZ289]

I can't believe how slow the Krysae is.  And the damage is pretty poor.

 

The Vindicator wasn't even very good in Mass Effect 2 and it feels like it got nerfed in every part of Mass Effect 3.

[Miniditka77]

I don't use it because it is among the crappiest handling weapons in the game, with awful stability and accuracy combined with pretty low damage. It needs a build tailored with both stability and accuracy (and preferably ROF) bonuses to be half decent, but then has no advantages over rifles that can do the exact same thing and play almost the same way (Argus, Valkyrie, Incisor) but at a higher damage rate.

 

Everything is correct except the underlined part:  The Vindicator has awful stability, but the accuracy is very good.  I think it's one of the most accurate AR's, and it's very easy to get consistent headshots with it if you're using 100% stability and ADS.

 

EDIT:  The Vindicator is a caster AR, and it should be used as such.  Preferably on a class that has good anti-armor powers, because the Vindicator is gawd-awful against armor.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Vindicator?

 

I hardly know 'er!

 

 

 

(NO I WILL NOT STOP)

 

 

(I WILL NEVER STOP)

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

https://docs.google....10&widget=false this is where I got my stats from. cyonans weapon stats spreadsheet. from the multiclip dps no reload cancel. cos reload cancelling is essentially hacking but the vindicator is not all that bad, if you stick a stability dampener v on it and fire it from cover, you will land 3 shots in exactly the same place. but even out of cover, its still pretty good if you aim centre mass.

[MaxCrushmore]

In practical terms:

 

Vindicator = Argus with much less damage

[7twozero]

I use the avenger on gold sometimes with cs spam, I'll have to try the vindicator tonight.

[Olivia Wilde]

statistics lie and it has a lame sound

[Fidite Nemini]

no reload cancel. cos reload cancelling is essentially hacking

 

[Inigo Montoya]

This word, it doesn't mean what you think it means.[/Inigo Montoya]

[Oni Changas]

 

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try using it with stability.

also, how's the argus with stability?

 

The Argus doesn't need stability. It needs Turians.

 

Damn, that should be a catchphrase.

[HusarX]

it's sh1t

[7twozero]

Just played a gold with it and wow it's pretty much the worst ar ever. Dropped into a w3 gip and got a close second but I think that says more about my build and the pugs than it does the vindicator. It's total crap and this coming from a guy who likes using the shuriken and raptor on gold.

[Operator m1]

Has better does better dps than the desciple, eviscerator, scimitar, widow, javelin, viper, krysae, collector sniper rifle, collector assault rifle, carnifex, suppressor, scorpion, collector smg.

And nearly as much as the claymore, Indra, incisor, raptor, black widow, argus, paladin, eagle, tempest.

So why arnt you using it?

Because it's not the lancer.

Because it's not the harrier.

Because it's not the argus.

Because I don't like being told when I can, and cannot shoot because tsundere burst fire mode said so.