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[EmperorSahlertz]

I detest time travel in all forms and functions... Luckily I am also a Templar fan, so it was a no brainer for me.

[Ryzaki]

I think Dorian needed to do more to gain the Inquisition's trust than Cole did, given how the main antagonist is an old Tevinter magister with a Tevinter cult, trying to uplift Tevinter.  Cole suddenly appearing and being mysterious fits Cole.  He also takes care of that dying guy, which suits him.  Barris really knows how to drink lyrium, but I like Fiona and I love my lore continuity.  (Having to kill her when I did CotJ was just a big NOPE moment.)  I also like Samson more than Calpernia, and makes as much sense to be the Vessel.  It makes sense that Corypheus would choose someone resistant to the Blight and difficult to kill.  I'm also glad it's possible to redeem Samson without his death being necessary.  His parallels with Cullen are also interesting.  And again, that sweet, sweet continuity.

 

I prefer to play elves, and particularly elf mages, so they generally aren't pleased with the whole Herald of Andraste thing.  The only ones I have who accept the title are an elf rogue (who doesn't believe a bit of it but is willing to use it) and an Andrastian Qunari (who still took the Whispers path cuz mage and cuz Dorian).

 

Huh felt the opposite. Mind reading spirit is a lot harder to trust than the dude who gave you two warnings previously. Recruiting Cole makes far more sense if he saved you at Therinfal. Also of course he takes care of the dying guy. He's compassion. You see him do the same thing at skyhold an hour later. That is his nature. You learn nothing new about him via that scene. Contrast to Dorian who also does the same but never does anything similar at skyhold so you at least see him in a different scenario. 

 

Also Barris has a quest chain he does a lot more than just drink lyrium. Also Fiona is a negative for me not a positive. (Her getting off scot free in the mages chain only makes it that much worse). Also how on earth does Samson make as much sense as Calpernia to be the vessel? You need to be able to understand those voices I'm to assume the addict has had the amount of training Calpernia did under her master and later Cory? Really? The parallels with Cullen I'll give you but I prefer Calpernia cause she goes nicely with Dorian's who redeeming Tevinter theme which hopefully will play out in the next game.

 

Oh that's fair.

[dragondreamer]

Huh felt the opposite. Mind reading spirit is a lot harder to trust than the dude who gave you two warnings previously. Recruiting Cole makes far more sense if he saved you at Therinfal. Also of course he takes care of the dying guy. He's compassion. You see him do the same thing at skyhold an hour later. That is his nature. You learn nothing new about him via that scene. Contrast to Dorian who also does the same but never does anything similar at skyhold so you at least see him in a different scenario. 

 

Also Barris has a quest chain he does a lot more than just drink lyrium. Also Fiona is a negative for me not a positive. (Her getting off scot free in the mages chain only makes it that much worse). Also how on earth does Samson make as much sense as Calpernia to be the vessel? The parallels with Cullen I'll give you but I prefer Calpernia cause she goes nicely with Dorian's who redeeming Tevinter theme which hopefully will play out in the next game.

 

Oh that's fair.

 

Spirits aren't necessarily demons, and even Circle mages work with them.  You have reason to be cautious, but nothing about him gives you reason to reject him outright as an enemy.  Dorian gets a lot of suspicion from those outside the inner circle after he joins, and there's good reason for it.  The Inquisitor *should* have good reason to trust that he isn't a spy, especially given his link to Alexius.  And yes, it makes sense for Cole to take care of the dying guy because he's Compassion, that's my point.

 

Fiona tends to get a lot of flack that I have trouble agreeing with.  Many of the mages under her were children and teen apprentices, and other mages who were not skilled in battle magic.  Most of them you speak to in Redcliffe don't trust or want to be allied with Tevinter, but I suspect they didn't want to be massacred by the Templars that Alexius conveniently saved them from either.  Fiona didn't make a good choice, but she didn't have a lot of options either when the conclave was ruined.  She did what she did to save her people. 

 

I explained why Samson makes sense as the Vessel.  He's immune to Red Lyrium's negative effects, and infused armor turns him into a human tank.  If you're a blighted ancient magister going to use someone to be a Vessel of important knowledge, it makes sense to use someone who's resistant to your Blighted nature and not easy to kill.  He's also more loyal to Corypheus than Calpernia is.

 

Dorian already exists as a counterpoint to Corypheus' vision of a better Tevinter.  Without Samson, there's really no sympathetic angle to the Red Templars whatsoever.

[Ryzaki]

Spirits aren't necessarily demons, and even Circle mages work with them.  You have reason to be cautious, but nothing about him gives you reason to reject him outright as an enemy.  Dorian gets a lot of suspicion from those outside the inner circle after he joins, and there's good reason for it.  The Inquisitor *should* have good reason to trust that he isn't a spy, especially given his link to Alexius.  And yes, it makes sense for Cole to take care of the dying guy because he's Compassion, that's my point.

 

Fiona tends to get a lot of flack that I have trouble agreeing with.  Many of the mages under her were children and teen apprentices, and other mages who were not skilled in battle magic.  Most of them you speak to in Redcliffe don't trust or want to be allied with Tevinter, but I suspect they didn't want to be massacred by the Templars that Alexius conveniently saved them from either.  Fiona didn't make a good choice, but she didn't have a lot of options either when the conclave was ruined.  She did what she did to save her people. 

 

I explained why Samson makes sense as the Vessel.  He's immune to Red Lyrium's negative effects, and infused armor turns him into a human tank.  If you're a blighted ancient magister going to use someone to be a Vessel of important knowledge, it makes sense to use someone who's resistant to your Blighted nature and not easy to kill.  He's also more loyal to Corypheus than Calpernia is.

 

Dorian already exists as a counterpoint to Corypheus' vision of a better Tevinter.  Without Samson, there's really no sympathetic angle to the Red Templars whatsoever.

 

But you have a lot less reason to trust him than you do after COTJ. As for Dorian the suspicion he gets mostly boils down to "he's from Tevinter." Cole would get even more suspicion except he wipes people's mind clean so that's not really something in Dorian's favor. And it doesn't make sense for Dorian to do it? My point is we learn nothing new about Cole via him taking care of Rodrick. We do learn something new of Dorian.

 

There was no templar army outside of redcliffe (those stragglers are not an army) and even if there was Alexius couldn't have saved them from it. Actually all Fiona did was paint a target on her back by inviting them in. She made stupid choices and they either doom her people or would've if the Inquisitor hadn't intervened.

 

That doesn't make him make sense as the vessel. You should realize this if you ever drank from the well. That knowledge needs to be understood. Now you tell me which of the two are likely to understand ancient elven voices that probably require tons of training in languages and the like to understand? Again the loyalty means nothing if the wells contents can't be understood. (Plus he didn't need Calpernia loyal to him. That's what the binding ritual was for).

 

And honestly I didn't feel they needed one. You get the whole used and thrown away bit from Cullen whole lyrium addiction thing.

[dragondreamer]

Most of my Inquisitors drink from the well, so I'm aware of how the knowledge from the well works.  They seem to understand as much as they need to.  They even start understanding elvish they didn't know. 

 

For the rest, we'll simply have to disagree then.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I hate to say this because as a whole I really love this game, but I don't really like playing through either quest, though I really like Calpernia and Under her Skin a lot, but you could say for me they are about the same as far as fun is concerned. Which quest I choose usually is more about role playing than anything else.

[Ryzaki]

Most of my Inquisitors drink from the well, so I'm aware of how the knowledge from the well works.  They seem to understand as much as they need to.  They even start understanding elvish they didn't know. 

 

For the rest, we'll simply have to disagree then.

 

As much as they need to to defeat Cory. You really think Cory's goals are that limited? he was digging throughout old elven ruins. He'd want far more information. The PC even says constantly they can hardly hear/comprehend the voices. There's a very big difference between someone trained for it and someone not.

 

Fair enough

[Forsythia77]

You only get the barris line if you ally with the templars, not conscript.

 

Ah.  There is no way in hell I would ever willingly ally with the templars.  Even role playing I can't swing that far away from my own basic personality  But we all know I am and always will be pro-mage.