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[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

such as killing the injured soldier in the wilds, killing Connor, defiling the Ashes etc. This was a great element in Origins. You could play a truly ruthless Warden (if not outright evil). DAI has nothing like this, nor companions that veer this way (Morrigan, Zevran, Shale). Has BW lost its balls in this department? This flexibility gave Origins some of its strength, surely the return of this would be welcome thing. 

[actionhero112]

Can't you go all King Henry and start lopping off heads at skyhold? Literally execute everyone? Or basically allow Celine to get shanked in front of an entire ballroom?

 

Imo, those choices are pretty metal. 

[Ieldra]

You know you're on the right track when Cole confronts you, says you don't like to help people - and vanishes.

[Bio Addict]

IMHO, you can be pretty ruthless in Inquisition you just can't be evil, certainly not as evil as the Warden could be.  It wouldn't be something any of my canon characters would be interested in but I'd support the return of truly evil options, the more choices the better.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I don't necessarily feel the need to be evil per se, but the option to pursue a ruthless path would be nice. In Origins, your mission was to end the Blight and you could do that the nice way (by helping everyone) or the nasty way (by just bulldozing through); both paths were nominally "good", but you had a lot of leeway in how you went about it. DAI feels like it pushes you awfully hard down the goody-two-shoes path and doesn't offer many opportunities to be ruthless. Heck, there's not even many opportunities to do a Hawke and be a smarmy jerk.

[DeLaatsteGeitenneuker]

I don't necessarily feel the need to be evil per se, but the option to pursue a ruthless path would be nice. In Origins, your mission was to end the Blight and you could do that the nice way (by helping everyone) or the nasty way (by just bulldozing through); both paths were nominally "good", but you had a lot of leeway in how you went about it. DAI feels like it pushes you awfully hard down the goody-two-shoes path and doesn't offer many opportunities to be ruthless. Heck, there's not even many opportunities to do a Hawke and be a smarmy jerk.

This human understands,

[Bipster]

Saying that the ruthlessness has stopped with Origins is simply untrue. Sure there are less opportunities to be Stupid Evil like the warden could be, but the ruthless choices are still there, even in DA2. 

 

Hawke could: Let Feynriel be possessed by a demon, let Meredith kill his own sister, blackmail Thrask about his dead mage daughter, give Fenris back to Danarius, kill Keran, etc.

 

Inquisitor could: Sacrifice the Bull's Chargers, kill the Mythal Temple elves, turn Erimond or Alexius Tranquil, chop off a bunch of people's heads in judgements, Kill Florianne in front of the entire Orlesian Court, let Celene get stabbed, etc.

 

Those things all sound pretty ruthless to me.

[Abyss108]

The problem with the way origins did it was the world didn't react to it. You can play like a psychopath but people would follow you anyway.

 

Ruthless options need to be more clearly thought about if they are going to return. Only put them where it makes sense and make you justify taking them if you have people with you. Don't just have people look to you as a leader if you start murdering people for no reason.

[MaxQuartiroli]

The problem with the way origins did it was the world didn't react to it. You can play like a psychopath but people would follow you anyway.

 

This. It's not very amusing if at the end of the journey you are still the beloved hero who saves the world.

I think that Bioware did really a great job in the past with evil playthroughs in Kotor and Jade Empire. With recent games I feel like playing the good guy is the only way that really fit the story,

[vbibbi]

While I rarely play as evil or ruthless, I did like the concept art of the Inky sitting on the throne with Leli and Cass crying. Having the PC as the Herald Thedas needs, not the Herald Thedas thinks it wants, would have been a cool way to go about things. Show the dangers of religious fanaticism (this should have been in the game regardless), how to control zealots who join the Inquisition to follow a heretical figure, etc. I think prime recruits (not conscripts) to the Inquisition are those inclined toward religious extremism, those desperate with nothing left to lose, those seeking revenge on our perceived enemies, dissidents against the Chantry, And if the Herald isn't human, there could be even more societal outcasts joining if they see someone typically stigmatized leading the organization.

 

We hear background dialogue in Skyhold about how it's the elves' fault, the Freemen, people trying to place blame on existing groups for the woes of the world. But this dissent never realizes into anything, which is a missed opportunity. We could try to direct the Inquisition to feed off of this civil unrest and direct it at our enemies.

[Darkstarr11]

Hmmmm....

 

Well, when it comes to the Inquisitor, it wouldn't have made sense.  Basically, you are supposed to be in charge of a massive organization that is solely for the purpose of restoring peace to the world.  Being an ax-crazy psychopath PROBABLY wouldn't have worked.  So no, for Inquisition, no, not a chance.  The Warden could be, but that was different.  The world NEEDED the Warden.  Without them, Ferelden was doomed.  So even if you were a companion killing, puppy punting monstrosity, they needed you to kill the Archdemon, or at least facilitate it.  Hawke saved Kirkwall.  You totally could go the route of EVIL hero, because your position was made because you saved the city.  Sure, you may have had to eat a kitten or two, or at least sell out a few friends, but hey, you got it done.

 

Not so if you are the Inquisitor.  Cassandra NEVER would have put you forward if you were utterly evil...Leliana might have just gutted you while you slept, or COLE would have.  

 

HOWEVER...where are we going next?  What is it all about, possibly?  Let's face it, the Inquisitor is going to be busy trying to FIND Solas, much less take him out.  They were going to look for someone that COULD do it, right?  Well...this is a guy who is basically out to destroy the world.  Friend or not, he HAS to be stopped.  Leliana, Harding, and Cassandra KNOW that the Inquisitor has personal history.  Not EVERY Inquisitor is going to be able to do it.  I'm thinking Dorian will want to be involved as well (Dorian, Sera, Cole, and Vivienne are guaranteed to survive so ONE of them is going to show up, based on past evidence).  They know that the stakes are high.  So even if the Inquisitor doesn't approve of lethal means, that doesn't mean they won't find someone who WILL go with it.  The next...um...hero(?) might have a little (or a LOT) more leeway in getting the job done.  Hiring a guy to KILL another guy usually doesn't exclude individuals who 'do what has to be done'.  So, yes, I'd say in the future, DEPENDING ON THE STORY, a dog kicking monster MAY be who is needed to explain to Solas in some...particularly stabby way...that his plan to turn Thedas into an open pit demony barbecue might not be as appreciated as he may have thought (bonus points if said stabby is all elfy).

[themikefest]

Too bad my Inquisitor couldn't be like femshep

[vbibbi]

Hmmmm....

 

Well, when it comes to the Inquisitor, it wouldn't have made sense.  Basically, you are supposed to be in charge of a massive organization that is solely for the purpose of restoring peace to the world.  Being an ax-crazy psychopath PROBABLY wouldn't have worked.  So no, for Inquisition, no, not a chance.  The Warden could be, but that was different.  The world NEEDED the Warden.  Without them, Ferelden was doomed.  So even if you were a companion killing, puppy punting monstrosity, they needed you to kill the Archdemon, or at least facilitate it.  Hawke saved Kirkwall.  You totally could go the route of EVIL hero, because your position was made because you saved the city.  Sure, you may have had to eat a kitten or two, or at least sell out a few friends, but hey, you got it done.

 

Not so if you are the Inquisitor.  Cassandra NEVER would have put you forward if you were utterly evil...Leliana might have just gutted you while you slept, or COLE would have.  

 

HOWEVER...where are we going next?  What is it all about, possibly?  Let's face it, the Inquisitor is going to be busy trying to FIND Solas, much less take him out.  They were going to look for someone that COULD do it, right?  Well...this is a guy who is basically out to destroy the world.  Friend or not, he HAS to be stopped.  Leliana, Harding, and Cassandra KNOW that the Inquisitor has personal history.  Not EVERY Inquisitor is going to be able to do it.  I'm thinking Dorian will want to be involved as well (Dorian, Sera, Cole, and Vivienne are guaranteed to survive so ONE of them is going to show up, based on past evidence).  They know that the stakes are high.  So even if the Inquisitor doesn't approve of lethal means, that doesn't mean they won't find someone who WILL go with it.  The next...um...hero(?) might have a little (or a LOT) more leeway in getting the job done.  Hiring a guy to KILL another guy usually doesn't exclude individuals who 'do what has to be done'.  So, yes, I'd say in the future, DEPENDING ON THE STORY, a dog kicking monster MAY be who is needed to explain to Solas in some...particularly stabby way...that his plan to turn Thedas into an open pit demony barbecue might not be as appreciated as he may have thought (bonus points if said stabby is all elfy).

 

Really, the Inquisition NEEDS the Herald, as we're the only one who can close rifts and the Breach. True that Cassandra wouldn't have put us in power if we were evil, but I can't see anyone in leadership killing us, at least not until they had tried every other option. With the HOF, ANY Warden would do, technically, so if we go batsh!t, worst case scenario we get offed, and Alistair or Loghain take the final blow.

 

If DAI had actually let us investigate the Anchor, we could have found out how to better harness its power to accomplish our goals.Tevinter and Nevarra refuses to cease hostilities? Instead of sending Josephine to sue for peace, why not threaten to create some rifts on the battlefield unless both sides step down? This is technically still "bringing order" by strong arming everyone to get along.

[Nefla]

I agree, I wish we could go back to having more personality options though I don't see killing Connor as necessarily ruthless, I cried when I did it.