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The TL:DR version is I don't need it because I know the combat mechanics deeply. The still slightly longer version is of AP is that I understand how the AP works and what the damage target zones are for overkill vs one shot / two shotting.

 

Show your work (math)

 

 

And the subsequent Exploding bow Spirit AoE based on ST. See video reference. I'm not only one shotting enemies, I'm one shotting enemies otherwise not in range of ST.

 

I think you're missing the point of exploding bow ST if you don't get this. You might as well use Hakkon's.

I believe I addressed the question of what bow(s) I use earlier, but to reiterate: Tezpadam's Bane until I have Throwing Blades, then Andruil's Gift. Regardless of whether the target explodes on kill, my point still stands that Set Them Up only benefits Spike Trap in the builds we have been discussing. It does nothing for TB/FD/LS. The explosions granted by Tezpadam's Bane are far more meaningful when triggered by Full Draw anyway, so I don't mind losing the damage bonus to Spike Trap that Set Them Up offers, if it means I have to lose Throwing Blades.

 

 

 

 

I actually think its % based health. I need further testing though. Regardless, I do have LOL stats, as previously mentioned in this thread.

Computer, set Sarcasm Detector to "on." As before, LOL Stats is not a justification for a build. Even if Bloodied Prey is based on percentage health, my first objection to it is that the damage bonus is too small, and that would still be true.

 

 

You figured out my point in the second line.

 

Except you're missing the context of stealth. If this were an archer that were constantly spamming abilities, I'd agree with you, however a hunter spends a lot of time manuevering in stealth and maximizing damage.

 

Hunters don't spam, they position for maximum damage. If you want to spam abilities, you want to go archer.

No, I'm not missing the context of stealth. In fact, the ideal play cycle would be Stealth > drop Spike Trap > break Stealth with FD > ability X + attacks until Stealth. Repeat. That sequence prior to ability X can easily be completed within 12 seconds (the cooldown of Leaping Shot), meaning that if LS has been used prior to the beginning of the sequence, it won't be available at the end, at which time Stealth has been broken and your other abilities are still cooling down. That's a highly unlikely scenario within 8 seconds (ie the cooldown of Throwing Blades). That's why I said the more important question is the cooldown on Stealth. If you are not figuring out a way to use your abilities as often as possible ("spamming") with any character, then you're not maximizing their potential. Spending a lot of time in Stealth (ie beyond a brief (< 10 sec) repositioning), while fun, reduces your effectiveness.

 

 

I don't use it. FD ring if Explode bow, FD + ST ring if Hakkons. I can drop three ST's.

:huh: Then why did you bring it up?

 

 

LOL Did you not watch my video? I drop mines right on top of groups of enemies repeatedly. Also I don't know what difficulties you play in, but in NM and HB you are potentially trolled over 10x more-so than Perilous to the point where you'll be CC'ed for 30s or more if you don't have a recovery ability and your allies can't pull you out of it.

Dropping mines while in Stealth does not generate aggro. Stealth and Easy to Miss work on aggro just the same in NM and HB, thus, in my book, making the recovery aspect of LS unnecessary.

 

 

We play with different gear, promote levels and players and such. Naturally we'll play differently, but especially because our actual personalities and preferences are different.

 

 

I one-to-two shot things and making them explode brings me no end to joy. My build supports that explosive fun. If I had different goals or gear, I'd be doing something different.

 

Using TB in place of LS is completely fair, but does open you up to being trolled. Lack of recovery is something I'm not willing to accept on the difficulties I play because lack of recovery on a squishy character can mean mission failure for me.

Why then did you take issue with me saying that I build my Hunter differently? I wasn't critiquing your build, simply offering an alternative. But since you did take issue with it, you've defended your build poorly. Your argument has boiled down to "I know the game," "I have LOL Stats," and "I play NM & HB," all of which are statements about you, not about builds and mechanics. You've only hit on the recovery aspect of Leaping Shot after the other benefits of it were minimized, and now you're hanging your hat on it. The only situation in which being unable to get out of a knockdown loop because you didn't get Leaping Shot (despite having Stealth, no less) would result in mission failure is playing solo.



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all of which are statements about you

 

Which make perfect sense for ME because you asked about MY build for ME, in a thread by ME showing of MY build. You're the one who's in the wrong thread discussion.

 

 

 

TB isn't a good combo with the Explosion bow.

Which passives do you mean specifically?

 

The context is my thread and my build, built for me. You've misappropriated and misintepreted for generic discussion that's not tailored to anyone in particular that doesn't exist (straw man), or tried to make it about your build, which I've dismissed as not working for mine that I'm showcasing in the opening thread.

 

Basically, you completely forgot this was my thread, video, and build I'm talking about to begin with-- and that I'm talking about Exp Bow. I don't care about Andruil's gift. Its not relevant when I don't have it. I can say I won't like that bow because of electrically immune enemies Horrors and Pride Demons though.

 

You'd also have to demonstrate you actually understand one bit of the combat system before I'll engage in the actual math for you. I'd have to teach you the combat mechanics for you to understand, and I don't think you're worth the effort because you're biased and not genuinely wanting to learn-- just wanting to prove your own method is right.

 

If you do want to begin, here's a primer:

http://forum.bioware...mbat-mechanics/

 

Here's a rudimentary spreadsheet to play with for basic weapon comparisons:

http://forum.bioware...heet-by-drasca/

 

Like any tool however, it is only as good as the input and user.

 

Prove to me you're smart, and I'll reply to it. But seriously, you haven't shown me you understand the combat mechanics, so I have no reason to show you anything. Its like a grade schooler asking for proof calculus when they've not even conquered arithmetic. It won't make sense to you except in a very rudimentary fashion, and you'll come to the wrong conclusions.



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Why then did you take issue with me saying that I build my Hunter differently? I wasn't critiquing your build, simply offering an alternative. But since you did take issue with it, you've defended your build poorly. Your argument has boiled down to "I know the game," "I have LOL Stats," and "I play NM & HB," all of which are statements about you, not about builds and mechanics. You've only hit on the recovery aspect of Leaping Shot after the other benefits of it were minimized, and now you're hanging your hat on it. The only situation in which being unable to get out of a knockdown loop because you didn't get Leaping Shot (despite having Stealth, no less) would result in mission failure is playing solo.

 

This is all you will get from him. I guarantee he will eventually tell you you're a noob and have no idea what you're doing and it's pointless for him to discuss further. There will be a few LOL's or ROFL's thrown in there as well.

 

Wow, yup. Pretty much exactly what was predicted. 

 

"Its like a grade schooler asking for proof calculus when they've not even conquered arithmetic."


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LOL We have been saying this from beginning OP  :rolleyes:



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But now it is Drasca approved.

 

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The context is my thread and my build, built for me. You've misappropriated and misintepreted for generic discussion that's not tailored to anyone in particular that doesn't exist (straw man), or tried to make it about your build, which I've dismissed as not working for mine that I'm showcasing in the opening thread.

 

Basically, you completely forgot this was my thread, video, and build I'm talking about to begin with-- and that I'm talking about Exp Bow. I don't care about Andruil's gift. Its not relevant when I don't have it. I can say I won't like that bow because of electrically immune enemies Horrors and Pride Demons though.

 

So basically he did exactly what you did in this thread.  I love how you have issues with other people who take actions that are so similar to your own.


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Words without the math to back them up

 

Please reread the thread and notice particularly the point where you took me up on my build after a post that almost entirely supported your build. Then re-evaluate your argument, since you haven't refuted mine yet. To suggest that I'm not worthy of you doing the work is a de facto forfeit, and is the embodiment of sour-graping. Either you do the math with the (apparently great) resources available to you, and the math, if valid, supports one or the other of us, or you don't.

 

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*fistbump* I liked that line too.


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You're still forgetting the fact that I'm one and two shotting enemies with my build including ST. Multiple times, with the secondary explosions killing off enemies outside of the range of the initial enemies hit with ST. That's why upgraded ST is amazing with the bow, and why AP is better upfront and cheap shot is utterly unnecessary. If I'm already one / two shotting enemies, further AP is not necessary.

 

Either you do the math with the (apparently great) resources available to you, and the math, if valid, supports one

 

I've already done the math on AP. Here's what happens when I post the results to you, you'll interpret it wrong, and claim you know the mechanics better than you do and then continue to think your build is so great. You also don't know the limitations of the tools and combat thread there. You don't know how stuff works and you don't know the enormity of your loss.

 

RTFM or get out of this thread.



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You're still forgetting the fact that I'm one and two shotting enemies with my build including ST.

I addressed this in my analysis of the passives post. You overlooked it.

 

 

Excuses to not show the math

FTFY

 

 

 

RTFM or get out of this thread.

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I'm going to let you have the last word on this one

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I addressed this in my analysis of the passives post. You overlooked it.

 

Get out.



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Um the stealth hunter is fun though. <cough,cough> fun. Cooperative fun.
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I think it would be pretty cool to have a party where everyone has explosion weapons :)

 

Let's blow them up hahah


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