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[ReverofEnola]

Do You Agree With This? To be honest I don't particularly agree with the Neutral and Chaotic Evil.

[Taki17]

No way Sten is chaotic evil, he does not match a single criteria of chaotic evil. Darkspawn and demons are chaotic evil, or maybe Corypheus from DAI.

 

I guess Loghain should be the lawful evil, a neutral evil would pursue his own interests, and Loghain was convinced that what he's doing is good for Ferelden.

 

A neutral evil would be probably Bhelen, as he's willing to do anything to claim and keep the throne of Orzammar.

[Tidus]

Sten IMHO maybe a little on the psychopathic side but, not completely  evil..Still my warden can not trust him.

 

Leliana.. IMHO after her stay in the Chantry I believe she is more chaotic good and if allowed to flourish develops a deep love for the PC warden and will rush to his side in battle when needed..  She has saved my warden in several games more then once. This happens only if you allow the other to fight freely.

 

 

Loghain IMHO is by far more chaotic evil then anything as is Arl Howe. Both are asps of a man that needs killing.

 

Alistair.. I agree with his alignment but,IMHO he's not the brightest bulb in the building or does he completely understand how dire the situation is. 

 

I notice the lack of Zevran so, I will say his alignment shoutld be chaotic  neutral  since he seems a opportunist much like the sky pirate Balthier in FF12...

[Akrabra]

Howe is on the wrong place indeed, switch him up with Loghain and its pretty much right, imo. Well not Sten, but you have to take into account that Sten follows the Qun and it dictates his personality more than he does himself, so for finding his alignment we have to determine where the Qun is on the Alignment scale. 

[ReverofEnola]

Howe is on the wrong place indeed, switch him up with Loghain and its pretty much right, imo. Well not Sten, but you have to take into account that Sten follows the Qun and it dictates his personality more than he does himself, so for finding his alignment we have to determine where the Qun is on the Alignment scale. 

 

 

Sten IMHO maybe a little on the psychopathic side but, not completely  evil..Still my warden can not trust him.

 

Leliana.. IMHO after her stay in the Chantry I believe she is more chaotic good and if allowed to flourish develops a deep love for the PC warden and will rush to his side in battle when needed..  She has saved my warden in several games more then once. This happens only if you allow the other to fight freely.

 

 

Loghain IMHO is by far more chaotic evil then anything as is Arl Howe. Both are asps of a man that needs killing.

 

Alistair.. I agree with his alignment but,IMHO he's not the brightest bulb in the building or does he completely understand how dire the situation is. 

 

I notice the lack of Zevran so, I will say his alignment shoutld be chaotic  neutral  since he seems a opportunist much like the sky pirate Balthier in FF12...

 

 

No way Sten is chaotic evil, he does not match a single criteria of chaotic evil. Darkspawn and demons are chaotic evil, or maybe Corypheus from DAI.

 

I guess Loghain should be the lawful evil, a neutral evil would pursue his own interests, and Loghain was convinced that what he's doing is good for Ferelden.

 

A neutral evil would be probably Bhelen, as he's willing to do anything to claim and keep the throne of Orzammar.

What do you guys think about Sten being more Lawful Neutral? Since he always follows the Qun without question and he knows what it means to follow orders?

[Tidus]

Sten could be lawful neutral since he follows the Qun . He seems to not understand the mission we are on gathering a army to  fight the blight....At one point he tries to take over the group but, yielded to the beating my warden gave him.

 

Maybe the Qun has taught him the weak does not lead?

[ReverofEnola]

Sten could be lawful neutral since he follows the Qun . He seems to not understand the mission we are on gathering a army to  fight the blight....At one point he tries to take over the group but, yielded to the beating my warden gave him.

 

Maybe the Qun has taught him the weak does not lead?

Great! Now that just leaves the problem known as Shale...

[Tidus]

Shale..WOW! That's a toughen. I dunno.. Maybe Neutral chaotic?  I base that on its desire to crush things. 

[ReverofEnola]

Shale..WOW! That's a toughen. I dunno.. Maybe Neutral chaotic?  I base that on its desire to crush things. 

So that makes 3 Chaotic Neutrals (Zevran, Morrigan, and Shale). 

Wynne, Alistair, and Leliana are Lawful Good, Neutral Good, and Chaotic Good.

And Barkspawn makes true neutral.

 

I wanna say Oghren is some form of Neutral since his approval all over the place plus he is drunk most of the time. I wanna say he is either True or Chaotic.

[Taki17]

And how does the D&D alignment system work on other DA characters? My guess is the following:

 

From DA2:

Lawful Good - Bethany, Aveline, Sebastian

Neutral Good - Varric

Chaotic Good - Merrill, Gamlen

Lawful Neutral - Carver

True Neutral - Grand Cleric Elthina

Chaotic Neutral - Isabela, Fenris

Lawful Evil - Meredith, Bartrand

Neutral Evil - Arishok

Chaotic Evil - Quentin

 

Can't decide where to put Anders. He has some traits of a chaotic good, but in the end, he's not benevolent at all. Although his intentions (mage liberty) were good, his methods prevent him to be classified as any kind of good, but he's not purely evil.

 

From DAI:

Lawful Good - Blackwall, Cassandra, Cullen

Neutral Good - Varric

Chaotic Good - Cole, Dorian, Sera

Lawful Neutral - Iron Bull

True Neutral - Vivienne, Josephine

Chaotic Neutral - (I don't know anyone)

Lawful Evil - Samson, Calpernia, Alexius

Neutral Evil - Solas

Chaotic Evil - Corypheus, Lord Seeker Lucius

[Illegitimus]

Wynne being Lawful Good is the easy one.  

 

Alistair?  Alistair actually has a lot of respect for social heirarchy.   He is not a man to carve out his own path and make up his own rules.  And what he loved about a Templar was the discipline involved in the training.  So Good yeah.  Chaotic, no.

 

Duncan does put his mission over considerations of right and wrong.  He doesn't really do bad things but just won't get involved in stopping them unless it has something to do with his mission.  So yeah, lawful neutral.  

 

Howe?  Clearly the most evil person in the game but Lawful?  No.  He serves no cause beyond his own desire for "more".  He's Neutral Evil.  

 

Loghain on the other hand is a man who driven by a fanatic devotion to a cause.  He does terrible evil things yes but all for the "greater good"

Loghain is Lawful Evil unless you rescue him from the scrapheap and shift him to lawful neutral.  

 

I can actually see why Sten got slotted as Chaotic Evil.  He did have a mass murdering outburst of temper.  Buuuut...no.  That wasn't Sten's typical behavior.  It's the reason why Qunari are such control freaks.  Sten is all about the mission and duty constantly wondering why you are pausing to save kittens from trees, but apart from that one psychotic break...Lawful Neutral.

 

As for Leliana.  Well she develops a bit of unconventional theology just to make herself feel important and she's a bleeding heart hippie nun.  Later on she becomes something of an organization woman but still needs to be reminded that criminals should get trials before killing them.  I'd say Chaotic Good transitioning to Neutral Good later.  (She was Chaotic Neutral in Leliana's Song.)

 

For Morrigan...well she does play the role of evil shoulder angel to the Warden and rebel against anything you got.  Chaotic Evil wouldn't be much of stretch although the power of love and/or friendship does manage to get her to Chaotic Neutral ultimately.  Unless it doesn't.  Flemeth would also be a good choice for CE since really most of Morrigan's bogus social darwinism is just her parroting her mom and the power of love and friendship can't lay a glove on Flemeth.

 

So...who to be Chaotic Neutral, a surprisingly vacant position?  Well Zevran, I guess.  He has no moral compass and no respect for authority, but no drive to do particularly terrible things (or even suggest them to you unlike Morrigan), most of the people he kills are creeps, and all he really wants is for people to stop ordering him around and not even paying him.  His dream is to be an independent contractor open for hire.  

[ReverofEnola]

And how does the D&D alignment system work on other DA characters? My guess is the following:

 

From DA2:

Lawful Good - Bethany, Aveline, Sebastian

Neutral Good - Varric

Chaotic Good - Merrill, Gamlen

Lawful Neutral - Carver

True Neutral - Grand Cleric Elthina

Chaotic Neutral - Isabela, Fenris

Lawful Evil - Meredith, Bartrand

Neutral Evil - Arishok

Chaotic Evil - Quentin

 

Can't decide where to put Anders. He has some traits of a chaotic good, but in the end, he's not benevolent at all. Although his intentions (mage liberty) were good, his methods prevent him to be classified as any kind of good, but he's not purely evil.

 

From DAI:

Lawful Good - Blackwall, Cassandra, Cullen

Neutral Good - Varric

Chaotic Good - Cole, Dorian, Sera

Lawful Neutral - Iron Bull

True Neutral - Vivienne, Josephine

Chaotic Neutral - (I don't know anyone)

Lawful Evil - Samson, Calpernia, Alexius

Neutral Evil - Solas

Chaotic Evil - Corypheus, Lord Seeker Lucius

To be honest I always thought Varric was more True Neutral than Neutral Good. I think this because he never took a side when it came to the Mage and Templar revolt not because he couldn't but because he just didn't care. 

 

Wynne being Lawful Good is the easy one.  

 

Alistair?  Alistair actually has a lot of respect for social heirarchy.   He is not a man to carve out his own path and make up his own rules.  And what he loved about a Templar was the discipline involved in the training.  So Good yeah.  Chaotic, no.

 

Duncan does put his mission over considerations of right and wrong.  He doesn't really do bad things but just won't get involved in stopping them unless it has something to do with his mission.  So yeah, lawful neutral.  

 

Howe?  Clearly the most evil person in the game but Lawful?  No.  He serves no cause beyond his own desire for "more".  He's Neutral Evil.  

 

Loghain on the other hand is a man who driven by a fanatic devotion to a cause.  He does terrible evil things yes but all for the "greater good"

Loghain is Lawful Evil unless you rescue him from the scrapheap and shift him to lawful neutral.  

 

I can actually see why Sten got slotted as Chaotic Evil.  He did have a mass murdering outburst of temper.  Buuuut...no.  That wasn't Sten's typical behavior.  It's the reason why Qunari are such control freaks.  Sten is all about the mission and duty constantly wondering why you are pausing to save kittens from trees, but apart from that one psychotic break...Lawful Neutral.

 

As for Leliana.  Well she develops a bit of unconventional theology just to make herself feel important and she's a bleeding heart hippie nun.  Later on she becomes something of an organization woman but still needs to be reminded that criminals should get trials before killing them.  I'd say Chaotic Good transitioning to Neutral Good later.  (She was Chaotic Neutral in Leliana's Song.)

 

For Morrigan...well she does play the role of evil shoulder angel to the Warden and rebel against anything you got.  Chaotic Evil wouldn't be much of stretch although the power of love and/or friendship does manage to get her to Chaotic Neutral ultimately.  Unless it doesn't.  Flemeth would also be a good choice for CE since really most of Morrigan's bogus social darwinism is just her parroting her mom and the power of love and friendship can't lay a glove on her.  

 

So...who to be Chaotic Neutral, a surprisingly vacant position?  Well Zevran, I guess.  He has no moral compass and no respect for authority, but no drive to do particularly terrible things (or even suggest them to you unlike Morrigan), most of the people he kills are creeps, and all he really wants is for people to stop ordering him around and not even paying him.  His dream is to be an independent contractor open for hire.  

I thought it the other way around when it came to Leliana (Going from Neutral Good to Chaotic Good) since she "Hardened".

Also what are your thoughts on Shale, Oghren, and Mr. Barkspawn?

[Tidus]

Leliana a bleeding heart hippie nun..  Love it!  Sounds like her..

 

I still vote her chaotic good. She did a big turn around between Leliana's Song when she was stone cold and how she is when she meets the warden  after leaving the Chantry in Lothering..

 

Now you got me thinking where would by warden fit?

[Mike3207]

It's not Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

 

That being said, reverse Sten and Howe. Howe is clearly chaotic evil and Sten Lawful evil. I also mark both Wynne and Alistair Lawful Good.

[Illegitimus]

To be honest I always thought Varric was more True Neutral than Neutral Good. I think this because he never took a side when it came to the Mage and Templar revolt not because he couldn't but because he just didn't care. 

 

I thought it the other way around when it came to Leliana (Going from Neutral Good to Chaotic Good) since she "Hardened".

Also what are your thoughts on Shale, Oghren, and Mr. Barkspawn?

 

Not taking a side in the Mage/Templar riot doesn't say anything about your alignment.  It's not like there's a right side.  A hardened Leliana isn't really changed on the law/chaos axis.  She's just trying a bit less hard to be Good and is more ready to go back into espionage, only now on behalf of the Chantry.  

 

I'd actually probably slot Shale as True Neutral.  It is kind of uninvolved.   Oghren?  Chaotic Neutral.  He is a Berserker after all.  The dog?  Is smart for a dog but isn't really thinking about questions of right and wrong.  Its only real priorities are its human and its stomach.  

[Tidus]

Illegitimus, I agree with Oghren alignment  but,we may want to add Chaotic Neutral Drunk? 

 

As far as Leliana. IMHO she is Chaotic Good in DA:O. I based that on her worries in sliding back to her former self and becoming like Marjolaine.  This discussion happens at camp after she confronts Marjolaine in Demerin. Then the discussions between her and Morrigan about rather or not Morrigan believes in the maker..

 

I agree she changes after leaving the group or after the warden's death if he dies in DA:O. She becomes a Lawful Chaotic in DA: 2 and DA:I. IMHO I fully believe she believes she is doing the Maker's work much like Greagoir believes he's doing at the Tower of Magi.

[ReverofEnola]

It's not Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

 

That being said, reverse Sten and Howe. Howe is clearly chaotic evil and Sten Lawful evil. I also mark both Wynne and Alistair Lawful Good.

Wait Alistair is still lawful good even after you "Harden" him? Since he states that he starts thinking more about himself rather than others. That sounds a bit more Neutral Good.

[Jeffonl1]

I agree she changes after leaving the group or after the warden's death if he dies in DA:O. She becomes a Lawful Chaotic in DA: 2 and DA:I. IMHO I fully believe she believes she is doing the Maker's work much like Greagoir believes he's doing at the Tower of Magi.

hmmm I think lawful chaotic is a oxymoron

[Jeffonl1]

Wait Alistair is still lawful good even after you "Harden" him? Since he states that he starts thinking more about himself rather than others. That sounds a bit more Neutral Good.

I think he means people have become less important than his own ideas and ideals: laws if you like...

[Illegitimus]

Wait Alistair is still lawful good even after you "Harden" him? Since he states that he starts thinking more about himself rather than others. That sounds a bit more Neutral Good.

 

It isn't.  A hardened Alistair is more willing to do the job of being king.  

[straykat]

Gotta love Dog's pic as the neutral..

 

 

I guess Morrigan is Chaotic Neutral, but her mom embodies it even better.

 

I'd switch Leliana and Alistair around though.

[ReverofEnola]

Gotta love Dog's pic as the neutral..

 

 

I guess Morrigan is Chaotic Neutral, but her mom embodies it even better.

 

I'd switch Leliana and Alistair around though.

Wait why would you switch Alistair and Leliana?

 

It isn't.  A hardened Alistair is more willing to do the job of being king.  

Alright I just read the wiki for Hardened and stated that Alistair puts "his sense of duty above his personal feelings." Which does sound him becoming more Lawful Good. However, I still remember a scene where he states that he starts thinking more about himself rather than others once he becomes Hardened.

[straykat]

Wait why would you switch Alistair and Leliana?

 

Hmm...Chaotic Goods have more wildness about them. She tries to control it, but it's there. She's also more reckless in how she wants to enact "good" things. I think they get more mistaken for being crazy too (just like chaotic neutral/evil). Robin Hood is a chaotic good.. but then I'd say Dirty Harry is too. Leliana is somewhere in between.

 

Alistair is passionate, especially about Loghain, but he's still pretty toned down the rest of the time. I think Neutral Good is more of the standard hero, and he fits that well.

[ReverofEnola]

Hmm...Chaotic Goods have more wildness about them. She tries to control it, but it's there. She's also more reckless in how she wants to enact "good" things. I think they get more mistaken for being crazy too (just like chaotic neutral/evil). Robin Hood is a chaotic good.. but then I'd say Dirty Harry is too. Leliana is somewhere in between.

 

Alistair is passionate, especially about Loghain, but he's still pretty toned down the rest of the time. I think Neutral Good is more of the standard hero, and he fits that well.

Never mind I also agree with that logic. I just realized that you were looking at the original picture and not what we were discussing.
What are your thoughts on Shale and Zevran?
 

[springacres]

Zev definitely comes across to me as Chaotic Good.  He has his own sense of what's right, doesn't give a toss about social hierarchy, and, to quote him, "What we are doing here - stopping the Blight... I cannot think of anything I have done which is so worthy."

 

I also disagree with Sten being Chaotic Evil.  I think he's much closer to Lawful Neutral, based on what I know of both his character and the Qun.

 

In terms of DA2, I would call Fenris more of a True Neutral or perhaps Neutral Good.  He has both Lawful and Chaotic characteristics, so I view him as neutral in that sense.  But in terms of being Neutral vs. Good, I think that depends somewhat on his relationship with Hawke.  If it's Rivalry, he might come off as being more self-interested and less open to caring about those not in his group.  I friend him, because I can't bring myself to rival him, and that seems to make him a bit more open to caring about others, which would make him Neutral Good.  I suspect he fits best as a True Neutral, though.

 

Anders seems to go from Chaotic Good in Act 1 to Chaotic Neutral in Act 3.