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[Illegitimus]

Wait why would you switch Alistair and Leliana?

 

Alright I just read the wiki for Hardened and stated that Alistair puts "his sense of duty above his personal feelings." Which does sound him becoming more Lawful Good. However, I still remember a scene where he states that he starts thinking more about himself rather than others once he becomes Hardened.

 

What that means in context is that he's abandoning the humility instilled by Eamon that makes him so reluctant to take the throne.  It doesn't mean he stops being Lawful Good.  

[GoldenGail3]

DA2 Anders : Chaotic Netural. Chaotic Evil at the end of act three.

DAA Anders: Lawful Netrual

Alistair and Wynne: Both Lawful Good

Leliana: Chaotic Good.

Zevran: Chaotic Netrual

Sten: Chaotic Netutal. Just Iike Zevran.

Varric: True Netural

Merril: Chaotic Good

Sebastion: Lawful Good

Isabela: Chaotic Netural

Cassandra: Lawful Good.

Sera: Chaotic Good

Dorian: Lawful Good.

Cole: True Netrual.

Vivienne: Chaotic Evil.

[Tidus]

Alistair is the type that doesn't want or care for any type of responsibility or leadership  and as we know he chose to followed a new recruit instead of taking charge as senior warden and he was forced to take the throne if that story line is followed. He doesn't seem to grasp how dire the situation is since its duty above common sense. He said he didn't know how to contact wardens in other countries but,there was a redheaded Orlesian bard in our group that would know how to contract the Orlesian Greys or knew somebody that did.

 

 

 

And in that light I'm beginning to think he is more of a weak neutral good then anything.

[Illegitimus]

Alistair is the type that doesn't want or care for any type of responsibility or leadership  and as we know he chose to followed a new recruit instead of taking charge as senior warden and he was forced to take the throne if that story line is followed. He doesn't seem to grasp how dire the situation is since its duty above common sense. He said he didn't know how to contact wardens in other countries but,there was a redheaded Orlesian bard in our group that would know how to contract the Orlesian Greys or knew somebody that did.

 

 

 

And in that light I'm beginning to think he is more of a weak neutral good then anything.

 

"Lawful" does not mean "eager to lead rather than follow".  As for getting in touch with the Orlesian wardens...what would you say to them?  I mean you could update them, but you'd still be in the same situation wandering around and trying to line up an army and get a noble to challenge Loghain's regency.  The Orlesian Wardens tried to get into Ferelden and were turned back.  If they'd tried harder things would have gotten worse.  

[Tidus]

The Greys was needed far more then building a rag time army to face the horde.. Our group consists of two Greys and seven 'volunteers'. Not much to fight Darkspawn,do dirty work for the Dwarves, save a city twice, help the Dalish, locate  ashes  and take on some side quests.

 

The Orlesian Greys did send a spy to check things so,there was interest in the blight for many reasons..

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Here's what should have happen.

 

After receiving a plea for help from the Ferelden's remaining two Greys the Orlesian Greys could have sent several dozen men to help end the blight. Loghain's Army was to busy fighting a civil war and had suffered heavy lost-even Howe mention the fact Loghain may not have enough men left to fight the blight. Recall the Greys are a neutral force the swears no fealty to king or country. Their only claim to fame is ending blights and killing Darkspawn.

 

In the mean time the group would continue to fight Darkspawn,save Redcliff, do side quest and save the Circle of Magi,save Conner,save Arl Eamond by finding the ashes and the Dalish.. The Dwarves could settle their own problems-unless a dwarf warden is used..

 

I blame Alistair and his bullheadness for not  sending for help.. He had a highly skilled bard at his disposal.  

 

Of course its just a fun game but, could have been different and followed GW policy..

[Illegitimus]

The Greys was needed far more then building a rag time army to face the horde.. Our group consists of two Greys and seven 'volunteers'. Not much to fight Darkspawn,do dirty work for the Dwarves, save a city twice, help the Dalish, locate  ashes  and take on some side quests.

 

The Orlesian Greys did send a spy to check things so,there was interest in the blight for many reasons..

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Here's what should have happen.

 

After receiving a plea for help from the Ferelden's remaining two Greys the Orlesian Greys could have sent several dozen men to help end the blight. Loghain's Army was to busy fighting a civil war and had suffered heavy lost-even Howe mention the fact Loghain may not have enough men left to fight the blight. Recall the Greys are a neutral force the swears no fealty to king or country. Their only claim to fame is ending blights and killing Darkspawn.

 

In the mean time the group would continue to fight Darkspawn,save Redcliff, do side quest and save the Circle of Magi,save Conner,save Arl Eamond by finding the ashes and the Dalish.. The Dwarves could settle their own problems-unless a dwarf warden is used..

 

I blame Alistair and his bullheadness for not  sending for help.. He had a highly skilled bard at his disposal.  

 

 

Reeeally.  You blame Alistair and his bullheadness do you?  What about your character?

 

The truth is, of course is that you might very well have have sent a letter to the Greys of Orlais.  It doesn't matter.  They aren't going to come in, in force whether you do or not, not when the local ruler will devote all of his efforts to killing them if they do.  Trying to do it would just strengthen his claims that the wardens are tools of Orlais's plots to reconquer Ferelden.  

[Tidus]

My warden asks about the Greys in other lands and Alistairs stumbles through excuses to don't know how to contact them,to far away,we need to leave Ferelden to find them and may not return in time to save Ferelden and we can expect  help and its just us. Yet,we save a city,save Conner,save the Circle,hunt for ashes,save the Dalish hunters,save Arl Eamond,look for a anvil, wipe out a group of  Dwarven bandits and put a King on the Dwarven Throne.  In the mean time the horde is running amok and conquering Ferelden.

 

How can Loghain attack when his forces is fighting a civil war?  Few dozen men can sneak into a country unnoticed since there is a blight and civil war in progress.. Another group of bandits preying on the helpless or mercenaries on their way to join the fighting nothing more..

 

Besides all of that Loghain can't stop a small band of guerrillas from rising a army or kill the leaders of that group..

[Illegitimus]

 

 

How can Loghain attack when his forces is fighting a civil war?  

 

 

By guarding the mountain passes leading into Ferelden.   The fact that he was wasting troops on doing that had a great deal to do with why he had so much trouble juggling his other threats.  

[Tidus]

Even at that a small force could slip by after dark without notice.. A soldier is tired and not at their best late in the wee hours of the morning and the Greys could even find a different path to take even if its no more then a game trail or creek.

[straykat]

DA2 Anders : Chaotic Netural. Chaotic Evil at the end of act three.

DAA Anders: Lawful Netrual

Alistair and Wynne: Both Lawful Good

Leliana: Chaotic Good.

Zevran: Chaotic Netrual

Sten: Chaotic Netutal. Just Iike Zevran.

Varric: True Netural

Merril: Chaotic Good

Sebastion: Lawful Good

Isabela: Chaotic Netural

Cassandra: Lawful Good.

Sera: Chaotic Good

Dorian: Lawful Good.

Cole: True Netrual.

Vivienne: Chaotic Evil.

 

I agree with everything except Vivienne. Chaotic Evil in DnD is monstrous. She's just cold.. and not chaotic at all. Got a big stick up her ass, in fact. Lawful Neutral imo. Morrigan is cold and a Neutral too, but chaotically so.

[GoldenGail3]

I agree with everything except Vivienne. Chaotic Evil in DnD is monstrous. She's just cold.. and not chaotic at all. Got a big stick up her ass, in fact. Lawful Neutral imo. Morrigan is cold and a Neutral too, but chaotically so.

Okay...

 

Yeah, that was what i was originally gonna write. 

 

Well....

 

Cullen: Chaotic Netrual (in DAO), Lawfully Netural (DA2), Lawfully Good (DAI)

 

Iron Bull: Chaotic Netural 

 

Blackwall: Lawful Netural

 

Josephine: Lawful Good 

[Illegitimus]

Even at that a small force could slip by after dark without notice.. A soldier is tired and not at their best late in the wee hours of the morning and the Greys could even find a different path to take even if its no more then a game trail or creek.

 

They might be able to.  But it is not normal Grey Warden practice to defy local rulers so they probably wouldn't.  

[Tidus]

Seems the Greys do as they will including making a retreat that allows a city to fall. A blight  effects all countries and its better to detain it in one instead of several since the horde destroys and taints every thing in its path. It takes a country decades to recover from a blight.

 

The Orlesian Greys sent Riordan to investigate so I'm sure the Greys was planning some type of action against the blight.

[Illegitimus]

Sending a company of gray wardens would use up most of the grays still present in Orlais.  If they get caught, and note that Riordan did get caught despite only being a single infiltrator, then they can be overwhelmed by the numbers of Loghain's army leaving not just Ferelden but also Orlais with a desperate shortage of grays.  

[Tidus]

Riorden was a fool.. He made the deathly mistake of trust when he didn't have a clear overall picture of what was going on. Why did he trust Howe or Loghain? 

 

A bard would have nose around to gather information and not been as gullible Riorden.

 

According to Riorden there was a large force of Greys in Orlais-this is the force Loghain turn back at the border.

[Illegitimus]

Riorden was a fool.. He made the deathly mistake of trust when he didn't have a clear overall picture of what was going on. Why did he trust Howe or Loghain? 

 

A bard would have nose around to gather information and not been as gullible Riorden.

 

According to Riorden there was a large force of Greys in Orlais-this is the force Loghain turn back at the border.

 

"Large" is relative.  There isn't a really large force of Greys anywhere.  Recruiting people who manage to combine "highly talented" with "totally expendable" rather restricts your talent pool to "Only the best bandits and maleficar we can catch and some really athletic idiots" .  For the Greys "company strength" is a large force of Greys.  And Riordan does not indicate that he was caught because he trusted Howe or Loghain.  Most likely he was caught because he was an armed man with an Orlesian accent trying to question the locals about what was going on.  Now imagine an entire company of men with Orlesian accents wandering asking locals "where are ze darkspawn we are here to kill" and just imagine how many of those locals would be dropping a dime on the Orlesian invaders the moment they were out of sight.  

[Tidus]

Actually Riordan was from Ferelden and was suckered in by the offer of food and drink from Howe.. I also doubt if the Orlesian Greys are 100% Orlesian.

[Illegitimus]

Actually Riordan was from Ferelden and was suckered in by the offer of food and drink from Howe.. I also doubt if the Orlesian Greys are 100% Orlesian.

 

I don't care where Riordan was born.  That's an Orlesian accent.