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[congokong]

So I've recently been doing a new DA2 playthrough after a long hiatus, and I began playing Mark of the Assassin before thinking (again) that my Hawke would never do this. She would never aid some shifty elf in stealing a supposed jewel (!) from an Orlesian duke for no other reason than because Tallis asks her to. She wouldn't go on a killing spree to get it either. My character's morals have always been gray, but to me that's going too far into murder territory. Even worse, Hawke would never aid Tallis by helping the qunari over Orlais; including letting Tallis leave alive with the information she had. Hell, I sided with Petrice!

 

Anyone else ever feel this DLC's plot goes too far into stupidity? I've played it before and shrugged its poor premise off, but this time I think I'm going to intentionally skip it. A shame too as it has some really good one-liners.

[SgtSteel91]

For me, I would do this in Act 3, where everything is shitty and falling apart and my Hawke needs a break. So he's looking for any excuse to get out of Krikwall for a while and going to some Orlesian estate for a Wyvern Hunt/Heist sounds like a fun distraction. _{Also he can't say no to people who ask for his help and he has a weakness for cute Elves.}

 

The reveal does ****** him off but he believes Tallis when she says the list is outdated and is going to get a lot of innocent people killed. Also believes that cooperating with the Qunari and working together may to lead to mural respect for both sides and curb their invasion policy eventually. He's wrong, of course, come DA:I but characters gotta have flaws and stuff.

[congokong]

I am in Act 3 actually. I get the "get away from everything part," but it's all under the premise of breaking in and killing guards all to steal a jewel of all things for someone who Hawke doesn't even know; potentially making a very powerful enemy in the process. My Hawke wouldn't even care about a jewel.

 

And the whole qunari list thing is revealed later. What about helping in the first place? But even so, since Hawke doesn't know exactly what that list is (and Tallis refuses to reveal it), she'd never let Tallis help the qunari over Orlais.. Mine, at least. ...And my Hawke isn't gay so there's no romantic reasons there. Oh, and my Hawke is a "sarebas" just to add to her qunari hate.

[renfrees]

Well, you can take Isabela into party and pretend she convinced Hawke to do some fun for profit. Though idk what's your Hawke's relationship with Isabela and if she even came back in your game.

[Qun00]

Well, you can take Isabela into party and pretend she convinced Hawke to do some fun for profit. Though idk what's your Hawke's relationship with Isabela and if she even came back in your game.

Headcanon is useless.

[robertmarilyn]

My Hawke just thinks this is another weird mess that Varric got him into. Once again everything goes wrong for Hawke, with this Tallis person taking advantage of him to get what she wants. He has to sit in a jail cell, listening to her going on and on...blah, blah, blah...what she said made no sense and he couldn't wait to get away from her. The DLC had funny parts but I could not stand Tallis 

[vertigomez]

I had Hawke doing all kinds of morally nebulous things for the lulz. I just shrugged it off as another horrible decision in Hawke's life, which is pretty much par for the course. He was addicted to helping people, probably because life on ye olde family farm gave him some kind of martyr/responsibility complex. And boredom. Lots and lots of boredom.

As for the bodies piling up... well, I never did it but a lot of people got Isabela her ship despite the whole slavery issue... so I figure there are a lot of Hawkes out there who simply don't care.

[Lazarillo]

I can rationalize pretty much everything up until the point where Hawke just lets Tallis walk off with the Qunari NOC list.

[congokong]

Something I realized when playing it (before I stopped) was that my Hawke (aggressive) behaved like she really didn't want to be at Chateau Hayne. So I wondered, "Then why are you there?!" She's going through all this so Tallis (who she doesn't like) can steal a jewel?! Stupid.

 

I did end up deciding to skip this DLC for the playthrough sadly. Occasionally there are quests in Dragon Age that I find to out-of-character to do but not this long usually.

 

Ex: The Fixer in Act 2. Wtf?! Why would a noble from Hightown be hired by thugs to dispose of corpses?! How does burning dead qunari have anything to do with it? How did these thugs even learn about it?

[Crimson Vanguard]

Mark of The Assassin in a nutshell

 

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[sjsharp2011]

My Hawke just thinks this is another weird mess that Varric got him into. Once again everything goes wrong for Hawke, with this Tallis person taking advantage of him to get what she wants. He has to sit in a jail cell, listening to her going on and on...blah, blah, blah...what she said made no sense and he couldn't wait to get away from her. The DLC had funny parts but I could not stand Tallis 

 

 

Yeah that's what my Hawkes kind of head cannon as well whenever I play this DLC

[Illegitimus]

I can rationalize by saying "Well, I guess Hawke just isn't very bright and I paid 10 bucks for this DLC".  If I had.  Which I'm not going to even if Felicia Day is cute.  

[sylvanaerie]

After playing it a few times, I just didn't care for it much.  Although I really like Felicia Day, I'm not much of a Tallis fan here and hate the Qun, and the fact that she's the companion you're stuck with for most of the DLC just left me cold.  On my last complete playthrough of DA2, I did Legacy but then decided to skip MotA.

 

I think I played through it with 3 of my 19 Hawkes.

[Illegitimus]

To be fair, if your mage Hawke ever walked into the city Chantry in order to talk to a mage who suddenly dropped out of communication, they're already not very bright.  

[sjsharp2011]

Personaqlly I enjoy the DLC but then I enjoy most if not all of Bioware's DLC's for their games. I do admit though that it is a bit weird in 1 or 2 places

[congokong]

To be fair, if your mage Hawke ever walked into the city Chantry in order to talk to a mage who suddenly dropped out of communication, they're already not very bright.  

lol Mage Hawke never makes sense. Like them using magic right when they enter the gallows or right in front of templars. Or how about the fact that they walk around with a giant staff on their back? Maybe they're like Dalish of the Bull's Chargers and say, "It's a bow. An old Ferelden trick you wouldn't understand."

[Crimson Vanguard]

lol Mage Hawke never makes sense. Like them using magic right when they enter the gallows or right in front of templars. Or how about the fact that they walk around with a giant staff on their back? Maybe they're like Dalish of the Bull's Chargers and say, "It's a bow. An old Ferelden trick you wouldn't understand."

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[straykat]

Last time I tried on a mage, I couldn't do it.

 

But it's pretty cool on my rogue. I prefer female rogue, but hate the party clothes on her. Otherwise, the story is great for the rogue. The mix of Heist story and playfulness of the whole quest works well. And the stealth quest jewelry is perfect for anti Qun rogue especially. "Uncertainty".

[Illegitimus]

lol Mage Hawke never makes sense. Like them using magic right when they enter the gallows or right in front of templars. Or how about the fact that they walk around with a giant staff on their back? Maybe they're like Dalish of the Bull's Chargers and say, "It's a bow. An old Ferelden trick you wouldn't understand."

 

Well I seem to be spending most of my time with something that looks like a pike.  It does explain how during the Templar War someone could get killed for having a shovel.

[Fylimar]

I don't have a problem with MotA. There are quests in the main  game, that bugged me more. Like when I suppose to help Isabella, despite her being the reason for the bloodbath at the end of Act 2. I have much more respect for the Arishok (even as a mage), than for Isabella. At least, the Arishok does not claim to be my friend. So I gave Isabella over to the qunari on my first playthrough and was disappointed, that she managed to escape again. Don't get me wrong - most of my Hawkes are rogues too and they wont  loose sleep for stealing. But letting a bloodbath happen, when I could stop it by handing over the book, is just all sorts of wrong. That's why I never understood Isabellas popularity (okay, I'm a straight woman, so her two main arguments are totally lost to me  ) and that's why I have no problem with Tallis at all after Isabella. 

But I can understand the argument of the threadstarter, I hate it too, when my character does something, she would never do. 

 

About Mage Hawke not making sense: When I play as mage, I use a mod, that conceals staffs (not just Hawkes, but Anders and Merrills too). So when I enter the gallows, I'm just a nice young woman, taking a stroll - nothing suspicious. And I guess, the two times, a templar is nearby, when you fight, is, when you help Cullen against the abomination and when you safe Emerics hide. If either of them would spill the beans, that would be very ungrateful. And Cullen seems to be a bit mental unstable, but he has honour and Emeric does not seem to care about anything else than his investigation - he seems practical enough, to accept the help of a rogue mage  without asking too many questions.

In Act 3 Meredith is telling you that she knows, that you are a mage. If I remember correctly that is, how she gets you to do her quests, even if you refuse (and if I remember correctly, she will threaten you with Bethany, Anders or Merrill, if you refuse as a nonMage Hawke). She says, that she wont be so lenient any more, if you don't do the quest - so I guess, the Templars in Kirkwall are a bit thick (most of them certainly are, with the exception of Thrask maybe), but they find out eventually.

[straykat]

 That's why I never understood Isabellas popularity (okay, I'm a straight woman, so her two main arguments are totally lost to me  ) and that's why I have no problem with

 

I can't answer for everyone, but her appeal to me is that she's kind of the antithesis of the Arishok. She's a free spirit. Even with some of the terrible traits, she's still better company. And most of all, it's just a game. I'm going to gravitate towards characters that make the game fun. I understand taking moral problems seriously, but it gets tiresome sometimes. And that's who characters like Isabela are for.

 

If it makes you feel better though, I have my limits. I don't help her get that ship in Act 3.

[congokong]

I can't answer for everyone, but her appeal to me is that she's kind of the antithesis of the Arishok. She's a free spirit. Even with some of the terrible traits, she's still better company. And most of all, it's just a game. I'm going to gravitate towards characters that make the game fun. I understand taking moral problems seriously, but it gets tiresome sometimes. And that's who characters like Isabela are for.

 

If it makes you feel better though, I have my limits. I don't help her get that ship in Act 3.

Indeed. For me her likable qualities were her free-spirited, non-judgmental nature. Compared to the opposite like Anders/Fenris who complain all the time, Isabela would be much easier to be around ...although I'd quickly get tired of her constant sexual references.

 

That being said, she's a scumbag who in the modern world would be considered a low-life criminal deserving many years in prison. But when I role-play I'm playing characters who aren't exactly upstanding themselves. Even when role-playing it's very difficult to agree to let her give the tome to some slaver as repayment for freeing his slaves, thus allowing Kirkwall to inevitably fall into war. Logically there's no good reason to do that. It's short-sighted selfishness.

[Fylimar]

For the free spirit thing I have Varric - he has all the good character traits of Isabella minus the negative ones.

[straykat]

For the free spirit thing I have Varric - he has all the good character traits of Isabella minus the negative ones.

 

They're both the same, but there's little conflict or much to mull over with Varric. That's cool, but Isabela's problems can be fun too (and funny). Every character has those crisis or conflict points, except Varric.

[Fylimar]

Well, Varric has his older brother to give him headaches, but of course, he has no conflicts with Hawke - or any other from the group. That can be nice too, sometimes. And I don't think, that Varric would have done, what Isabella did.

But I don't have a real problem with Isabella as a character (she isn't my favorite, but she is not annoying or something, like for example Aerie or Anomen in Baldurs Gate 2 or Oghren in DAO), it was about the forced decisions that seems to be out of character for your Hawke - and how I don't find Tallis so bad after what Isabella did.

And I seldom give Isabella to the Arishok anymore, because, now, that I know, what will happen after they left, it seems wrong. Better he dies in a worthy fight, than being shunned by his own people. And besides, I don't find that believable, that Isabella would be able to run away with the tome from a horde of well trained Qunari warriors three times - thats just dumb.