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[Ariella]

Dealings. Like letting Connor remain possessed while you make out With Desire, or letting Kitty possess the girl and father. Basically female Desire Demons not being in DAI removed the more questionable stuff. Like all those women who didn't like the idea of Envy taking on Leliana's face and seducing you into sleeping with her in your mind in the original script.

Thank GOD they took the Desire demons out. Those things should never be seen outside a meat puppet, because it should be just like the fearlings, you see what you desire. And while with the fearlings, you can get away with spiders, since they're fodder, Desire demons are intelligent, cunning and should be used sparingly.

As for the whole Envy thing? Source please? Especially about "all those women". Honestly, I find the concept rather silly, since it's pretty obvious you're not dealing with Leliana. And how would it really enhance the story, except to have sex?

Which is pretty much what you're arguing. Making out with the Desire demon is a selling point? Not so much to a straight woman playing the game. It's titillation factor, and does jack to enhance a story.

[abisha]

Thank GOD they took the Desire demons out. Those things should never be seen outside a meat puppet, because it should be just like the fearlings, you see what you desire. And while with the fearlings, you can get away with spiders, since they're fodder, Desire demons are intelligent, cunning and should be used sparingly.

As for the whole Envy thing? Source please? Especially about "all those women". Honestly, I find the concept rather silly, since it's pretty obvious you're not dealing with Leliana. And how would it really enhance the story, except to have sex?

Which is pretty much what you're arguing. Making out with the Desire demon is a selling point? Not so much to a straight woman playing the game. It's titillation factor, and does jack to enhance a story.

 

selling point not at all, but it adds to immersion  and gives a feeling of reality.

many of those small thing's makes up a hugh difference.

 

also wanna add that it will unmake the gaming industry "catering" to woman that not even play a freaking videogame at all.

see what happens when you mix female crap to football.

[Mlady]

Thank GOD they took the Desire demons out. Those things should never be seen outside a meat puppet, because it should be just like the fearlings, you see what you desire. And while with the fearlings, you can get away with spiders, since they're fodder, Desire demons are intelligent, cunning and should be used sparingly.

As for the whole Envy thing? Source please? Especially about "all those women". Honestly, I find the concept rather silly, since it's pretty obvious you're not dealing with Leliana. And how would it really enhance the story, except to have sex?

Which is pretty much what you're arguing. Making out with the Desire demon is a selling point? Not so much to a straight woman playing the game. It's titillation factor, and does jack to enhance a story.

 

https://www.reddit.c...stions_asexual/

 

What arguing? I was explaining what they were talking about. I am against all the Desire Demon crap.

[leaguer of one]

Dealings. Like letting Connor remain possessed while you make out With Desire, or letting Kitty possess the girl and father. Basically female Desire Demons not being in DAI removed the more questionable stuff. Like all those women who didn't like the idea of Envy taking on Leliana's face and seducing you into sleeping with her in your mind in the original script.

Which is why I said Ishmel, Blinky, and the furture where you see Conner get repossessed.Heck, you even deal with that in Jaws of hakkon.

[Mlady]

Which is why I said Ishmel, Blinky, and the furture where you see Conner get repossessed.Heck, you even deal with that in Jaws of hakkon.

 

I honestly don't get the big deal. I found Imshael to be quite a lot of fun and a nice change for overly sexualized demons. I think DAI had a nice balance of everything, but most people insist all the dark and gritty stuff and demon deals is what makes a DA game.

[leaguer of one]

Inquisitor Path + Haven + Skyhold +  Inner Circle and you still barely scrape 50% of the game

Result: Colossal waste of resources of budget and much less integrated/engaging game

Its a very good game ... but could have been much better. 

You do know this is an rpg and most of the content is always off path, right? It's not disconnect because you have to explore to get most of the content, it would be saying bg1 and 2 is bad because you have to explore to get most of the quest.

[Mlady]

You do know this is an rpg and most of the content is always off path, right? It's not disconnect because you have to explore to get most of the content, it would be saying bg1 and 2 is bad because you have to explore to get most of the quest.

 

I wonder if anyone actually realizes that many side quests after Skyhold are part of the main plot? If you track down the Venatori in the Hissing Wastes or kill of the leaders in the Plains or Graves, you are messing up Samson/Calpernia and Cory big time!

[Ariella]

https://www.reddit.c...stions_asexual/
 
What arguing? I was explaining what they were talking about. I am against all the Desire Demon crap.

Sorry, the whole "some women" thing was a trigger. Made an assumption, my apologies.

selling point not at all, but it adds to immersion  and gives a feeling of reality.
many of those small thing's makes up a hugh difference.
 
also wanna add that it will unmake the gaming industry "catering" to woman that not even play a freaking videogame at all.
see what happens when you mix female crap to football.

Adding to immersion? How is making out with a demon adding to immersion? What does that do for the story or the world, except play the succubus cliche.

I play video games, and I'm a woman. Been playing video games since the 1980s, and honestly, the T&A gets tiring. Want gratuitous sex and violence? Go watch Basic Instinct.

[leaguer of one]

I wonder if anyone actually realizes that many side quests after Skyhold are part of the main plot? If you track down the Venatori in the Hissing Wastes or kill of the leaders in the Plains or Graves, you are messing up Samson/Calpernia and Cory big time!

Those are still side  quest not main quest. It's ironic that people complain that quest don't effect each other in dao and once it does a little bit in dai it's an issue.

 

Also, rpg players are completionist by nature.

[Mlady]

Sorry, the whole "some women" thing was a trigger. Made an assumption, my apologies.

 

It's fine and I am a woman myself. I am just referring to what has been said before and I said "like all those women" not "some women" because I am not sure if they were test players or employees who complained. Never read the whole interview.

 

 

Those are still side  quest not main quest. It's ironic that people complain that quest don't effect each other in dao and once it does a little bit in dai it's an issue.

 

Also, rpg players are completionist by nature.

 

That's the point of most RPG's though. If you run through the main quest, you not only level up slowly and miss things, you miss all the added stuff the makes a game whole. Side or main quest, it's all fulling for a completionist like me.

[leaguer of one]

Adding to immersion? How is making out with a demon adding to immersion? What does that do for the story or the world, except play the succubus cliche.

I play video games, and I'm a woman. Been playing video games since the 1980s, and honestly, the T&A gets tiring. Want gratuitous sex and violence? Go watch Basic Instinct.

Noted: If you did make out with that demon, it would of killed you. it was a game over.

 

Like this.

Spoiler

[abisha]

Noted: If you did make out with that demon, it would of killed you. it was a game over.

 

Like this.

Spoiler

 

only can you have "good time" with Morinth and trade samara in for it.

[Ariella]

It's fine and I am a woman myself. I am just referring to what has been said before and I said "like all those women" not "some women" because I am not sure if they were test players or employees who complained. Never read the whole interview.

Since it talks about a peer group session reviewing the writing of CoJ, I'm thinking it was the female writers in a peer review format not a complaint. From what Gaider says, this was just one of a number of quests that got dropped because it didn't work as they hashed things out. He brought it up, which he said he usually wouldn't do, as an example of how useful having different perspectives is. I'm betting the whole Architech at Adamant Fade went through the same process and was dropped for similar reasons (ie it just didn't do what the writers wanted it to do.)

[AFA]

DA2 had the best story by far, but thanks to being rushed, was probably the worst game overall. 

[Mlady]

Since it talks about a peer group session reviewing the writing of CoJ, I'm thinking it was the female writers in a peer review format not a complaint. From what Gaider says, this was just one of a number of quests that got dropped because it didn't work as they hashed things out. He brought it up, which he said he usually wouldn't do, as an example of how useful having different perspectives is. I'm betting the whole Architech at Adamant Fade went through the same process and was dropped for similar reasons (ie it just didn't do what the writers wanted it to do.)

 

Women seemed to be directly picked on for it because it was females who spoke up I'm guessing.

 

Yeah I heard about that. We would have see him again, and being killed in DAA is not a big excuse if he could body hop like Cory, but I can see why they went another way.

[Lord Raijin]

He tells you why. Also...

 

While the Inquisitor is off fighting demons he could of been busy hunting for food rather than cowering up, and letting his people starve to death.

 

Since when does it become the Inquisitors responsibility to hunt elk? At this time the Inquisitors sole job is to deal with the Demons, and sealing the rifts with the power that he has.

 

Everyone has a job to do and unfortunately this hunter wasn't doing his part.

[Ariella]

While the Inquisitor is off fighting demons he could of been busy hunting for food rather than cowering up, and letting his people starve to death.
 
Since when does it become the Inquisitors responsibility to hunt elk? At this time the Inquisitors sole job is to deal with the Demons, and sealing the rifts with the power that he has.
 
Everyone has a job to do and unfortunately this hunter wasn't doing his part.

The Inquisitor isn't the Inquisitor yet, and the Herald's job is to be a standard bearer for the Inquisition. To represent to Inquisition to Thedas and convince the world they CAN help. That includes so called "menial" jobs like hunting. And considering rams give crafting material, who's to say the Herald wouldn't been hunting them anyway, since Harrit does tell you that you need to bring in the components.

Did you even hear what the hunter said? Bandits, demons, templars and mages were all out there, in force, versus one hunter who's probably never seen battle magic or demons before everything went straight to pot. The hunter couldn't do his part because he couldn't get out there. There's no way he'd survive, and dying wouldn't be useful would it?

[Mlady]

The Inquisitor isn't the Inquisitor yet, and the Herald's job is to be a standard bearer for the Inquisition. To represent to Inquisition to Thedas and convince the world they CAN help. That includes so called "menial" jobs like hunting. And considering rams give crafting material, who's to say the Herald wouldn't been hunting them anyway, since Harrit does tell you that you need to bring in the components.

Did you even hear what the hunter said? Bandits, demons, templars and mages were all out there, in force, versus one hunter who's probably never seen battle magic or demons before everything went straight to pot. The hunter couldn't do his part because he couldn't get out there. There's no way he'd survive, and dying wouldn't be useful would it?

 

I think many people skip those quests until they get to Skyhold. I always do the Crossroads early because as Harding said, it's a good place to start, and Solas has new banter in which he says we've done enough to get the clerics to notice us. Power is key in this game and you mostly gain it through side quests. By the time I got to Cory and had completed everything I had over 200 power and Josie basically implied everyone was bowing at my feet lol

[Redemption2407]

I'm not a fan of the eight buttons. I also think we should be able to switch weapons in battle. DAO did shine because you were able to set the stats just the was you wanted it.

 

DAI is setup more for an MMO. I still like the go anywhere and do whatever you want setup of DAI. 

Don't really understand it because that's exactly like that in DAO. For instance with a Rogue I'd go to Orzammar buy my sweet dagger then go Denerim buy other cool stuff, then start my first mission, the circle of magi, which is one of the few you have to finish once you start. Others like the Brecilian Forest, Orzammar, Denerim and stuff, you can do in any pace you want. I don't exactly like to do the missions in parts, so I usually enter the map and finish all of them, but despite my preferences the fact is that you can roam the map all you want except for a few places which also happen in DAI (mainly main quest missions). I hate freedom, exploration, being a leader and all the stuff in DAI, so for me is 100% sh*t, but yes, I can picture someone who like these things liking the game.

[Mlady]

Don't really understand it because that's exactly like that in DAO. For instance with a Rogue I'd go to Orzammar buy my sweet dagger then go Denerim buy other cool stuff, then start my first mission, the circle of magi, which is one of the few you have to finish once you start. Others like the Brecilian Forest, Orzammar, Denerim and stuff, you can do in any pace you want. I don't exactly like to do the missions in parts, so I usually enter the map and finish all of them, but despite my preferences the fact is that you can roam the map all you want except for a few places which also happen in DAI (mainly main quest missions). I hate freedom, exploration, being a leader and all the stuff in DAI, so for me is 100% sh*t, but yes, I can picture someone who like these things liking the game.

 

You know what's funny? I was determined to complete DAI and uncover every bit of the maps in each area. By the time I did and played it again, I knew where everything was, and it's really not a huge, open world. It's a map like any other with borders that cut off and you can't go into a city from one point or another. You are always forced to enter the world map. If DA4 was made to be totally open, I might lose my mind as a completionist lol

 

In DAO and DA2 you had smaller maps, but easier to complete though some impossible to return to once you went past them. Much easier on me lol

[leaguer of one]

While the Inquisitor is off fighting demons he could of been busy hunting for food rather than cowering up, and letting his people starve to death.

 

Since when does it become the Inquisitors responsibility to hunt elk? At this time the Inquisitors sole job is to deal with the Demons, and sealing the rifts with the power that he has.

 

Everyone has a job to do and unfortunately this hunter wasn't doing his part.

Right because the quis is hunting every demon all at once and none can come from some where else and kill him.

 

Really now, you're missing the point here. And it's a choice. Just don't do it if you don't like it. It's just like how it's not the wardens job to do all the stuff on

the Chanter's Board.

[Redemption2407]

The Inquisitor isn't the Inquisitor yet, and the Herald's job is to be a standard bearer for the Inquisition. To represent to Inquisition to Thedas and convince the world they CAN help. That includes so called "menial" jobs like hunting. And considering rams give crafting material, who's to say the Herald wouldn't been hunting them anyway, since Harrit does tell you that you need to bring in the components.

Did you even hear what the hunter said? Bandits, demons, templars and mages were all out there, in force, versus one hunter who's probably never seen battle magic or demons before everything went straight to pot. The hunter couldn't do his part because he couldn't get out there. There's no way he'd survive, and dying wouldn't be useful would it?

Your post pretty much explains what I always say: Bioware forces us to be the retarded hero they intended us to be.
All this is very noble and right, ok, marvelous if you like that kind of stuff. But in DAI there is two options, be good or ignoring being good, there is no being bad.
Plus, all people you can be "evil" to are people who harmed you or other people so it is more like a harsh justice than being evil.
DAO always had the options to be good, ignore being good or being actually evil. Sometimes evil meaning selfish and not harming others that much but thankfully most times being really evil.

So yeah, there is a lot of excuses in the game for a good guy, the chantry mama boy who is into saving the world. But no matter how much you say you don't believe the maker, you don't want the mark, you never wanted any of that, in the end you passively save the world. So for a game who claims to let you be "in control" you're nothing in control, or as devs said you would be the "tip of the spear", yeah, clearly, someone handles you however they want.

"I WILL DO IT FOR MY OWN POWEEEEER", yeah, but no, in the end you will get nothing evil, always the good. Also as a bonus they deformed your hawke making her hate blood magic. I feel less "good violated" being brainwashed in a church.

[Redemption2407]

You know what's funny? I was determined to complete DAI and uncover every bit of the maps in each area. By the time I did and played it again, I knew where everything was, and it's really not a huge, open world. It's a map like any other with borders that cut off and you can't go into a city from one point or another. You are always forced to enter the world map. If DA4 was made to be totally open, I might lose my mind as a completionist lol

 

In DAO and DA2 you had smaller maps, but easier to complete though some impossible to return to once you went past them. Much easier on me lol

Yeah, I developed a pattern to each map and always do the quests in a certain order, is not that hard to "robotize" it after all. But still it is painful to spend 120 hours doing all the stuff in each save. And killing undeads in Exalted Plains in those "mazes" became the most infuriating part of the game for me. Yes, Exalted Plains, the map that I came to hate the most.

[Ariella]

I think many people skip those quests until they get to Skyhold. I always do the Crossroads early because as Harding said, it's a good place to start, and Solas has new banter in which he says we've done enough to get the clerics to notice us. Power is key in this game and you mostly gain it through side quests. By the time I got to Cory and had completed everything I had over 200 power and Josie basically implied everyone was bowing at my feet lol

 

I'm the same way. I at least take care of the Templars and Mages, hunting, the caches, the potion and the two quests within the cult fortress. Plus Dennett and the towers. And a lot of those quests aren't that far from others so you can finish at least two at a time. In fact, one of the mages Cache, the quest Stone Dreams and a red lyrium vein all dead end at the same place.

 

And yeah, power is insane to get, but I burned through a lot of it doing the ops that opened areas in Descent. I've never been below 30 before post Skyhold... Wow.

[Lord Raijin]

The Inquisitor isn't the Inquisitor yet, and the Herald's job is to be a standard bearer for the Inquisition. To represent to Inquisition to Thedas and convince the world they CAN help. That includes so called "menial" jobs like hunting. And considering rams give crafting material, who's to say the Herald wouldn't been hunting them anyway, since Harrit does tell you that you need to bring in the components.

Did you even hear what the hunter said? Bandits, demons, templars and mages were all out there, in force, versus one hunter who's probably never seen battle magic or demons before everything went straight to pot. The hunter couldn't do his part because he couldn't get out there. There's no way he'd survive, and dying wouldn't be useful would it?

 

You play the role of Inquisitor the very moment you wake up, and walk outside of Haven where a bunch of people are cheering for you. You start taking the responsibility of being the Inquisitor.

 

Yes I heard what the Hunter said, and to be honest with you it's all cowardice attempt to avoid all responsibility that he had when it comes to putting his share onto the table.