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[The Baconer]

Since when does it become the Inquisitors responsibility to hunt elk? 

 

When you accept the quest of your own accord. 

 

For the same reason that it isn't the Warden's job to mule Lyrium or take assassin's contracts or search for Ironwood or find Sten's sword or help a guy make rat poison or investigate what happened to caravans or track down deserted mercenaries or do work for the mage's collective or save Connor or help Cammen hook up with Gheyna or-

 

Until, that is, they decide to make it their responsibility. 

[leaguer of one]

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[ShadowLordXII]

You have not at one time made a case the dao is objectively better. you just used very bias points. And when people point it out you try to move the goal post.

 

Not biased, informed. If you disagree about the objective angle, then again, make a reasonable case for how Inquisition is an inherently better game than just accuse me of bias. 

 

I'm not moving any goal post, merely responding in kind to each post rather than blankly stating the same thing. I'm also challenging folks who believe that Inquisition is an inherently better game to make a case for it rather than scream "bias". I've already stated my reasoning and observations for why I believe Origins is inherently and objectively better than Inquisition with criteria that can be applied to different games such as content, replay value, quality of gameplay and storytelling, characters, combat system, role-play options and etc. 

 

So I'm not certain about where all this "your biased" nonsense is coming from other than that you don't like what I have to say. In which case, come up with a reasonable counterargument and then we can have some dialogue and discussion occur rather than an annoying repetition.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

Not biased, informed. If you disagree about the objective angle, then again, make a reasonable case for how Inquisition is an inherently better game than just accuse me of bias. 

 

I'm not moving any goal post, merely responding in kind to each post rather than blankly stating the same thing. I'm also challenging folks who believe that Inquisition is an inherently better game to make a case for it rather than scream "bias". I've already stated my reasoning and observations for why I believe Origins is inherently and objectively better than Inquisition with criteria that can be applied to different games such as content, replay value, quality of gameplay and storytelling, characters, combat system, role-play options and etc. 

 

So I'm not certain about where all this "your biased" nonsense is coming from other than that you don't like what I have to say. In which case, come up with a reasonable counterargument and then we can have some dialogue and discussion occur rather than an annoying repetition.

He's not saying inquisition is inherently better he's saying none of them can be inherently better because people like different things in video games.

[Ariella]

why this nonsense about ishmael. it's nothing special.

 

if you accept his offer some dude dies who nobody cares about. and he was talking about how much he was gonna kick his demon a$$.

why would anyone feel sorry for him anyway.

 

also the rewards is exactly the same if you let the demon go or not. basically just fluffy.

and O yea demon without virgins..... just wrong 

 

 

It's not the offer. It's the character, in that he actually has one. He's a person. And it isn't killing just "some guy", Michael is someone who he's already destroyed, and killing him off is just icing. Then there's the dying red templar after you get rid of Imshael. Imshael could have "taken the red out" if the templar did what he wanted, but it was so horrible even a red templar decided that it would be better to die an excruciatingly painful death than take Imshael up on his offer.

 

This is about story: Imshael has one, Envy has one, Nightmare has one.

 

The only demons in DAO that are even close are Connor, though the demon itself doesn't really have much in the way of personality, and Mouse, who is exactly what a Pride demon should be.

[abisha]

It's not the offer. It's the character, in that he actually has one. He's a person. And it isn't killing just "some guy", Michael is someone who he's already destroyed, and killing him off is just icing. Then there's the dying red templar after you get rid of Imshael. Imshael could have "taken the red out" if the templar did what he wanted, but it was so horrible even a red templar decided that it would be better to die an excruciatingly painful death than take Imshael up on his offer.

 

This is about story: Imshael has one, Envy has one, Nightmare has one.

 

The only demons in DAO that are even close are Connor, though the demon itself doesn't really have much in the way of personality, and Mouse, who is exactly what a Pride demon should be.

 

what game you playing? what story? 

that templar that's dieing never say anything... he just laying their dieing and i press Ignore templars deserve to die....

unless you have ouside information most DA:I players have this is what i extract from this game.

[Ariella]

what game you playing? what story? 
that templar that's dieing never say anything... he just laying their dieing and i press Ignore templars deserve to die....
unless you have ouside information most DA:I players have this is what i extract from this game.

Then you missed half of it. Your fault, not the game's. I'm playing Dragon Age Inquisition, what game are you playing? There are codex notes all around about Imshael, if you bother to look. Michael tells you how dangerous he is. It's easy to find out it's the demon who's the one keeping the red templars from simply going the way of Meredith and just be statues rather than useful red lyrium infused soldiers. But that requires looking around and speaking to people.

You made a choice (and I love the irony of this) not to interact with people who would give you the story. Your choice.

[abisha]

Then you missed half of it. Your fault, not the game's. I'm playing Dragon Age Inquisition, what game are you playing? There are codex notes all around about Imshael, if you bother to look. Michael tells you how dangerous he is. It's easy to find out it's the demon who's the one keeping the red templars from simply going the way of Meredith and just be statues rather than useful red lyrium infused soldiers. But that requires looking around and speaking to people.

You made a choice (and I love the irony of this) not to interact with people who would give you the story. Your choice.

 

bet 95% of the players playing DA:I never reading a single Codex, it's the game fault for delivering boring text into content.

[Al Foley]

bet 95% of the players playing DA:I never reading a single Codex, it's the game fault for delivering boring text into content.

If you never read any of the codexes then why are you playing this game?  

[Ariella]

bet 95% of the players playing DA:I never reading a single Codex, it's the game fault for delivering boring text into content.

 

You want to back that up with fact, friend? Codex have been part of Bioware games since the first ME. Lots of people read them. I've had whole threads of conversation based on what's offered up in codex. They're pretty much one of the pillars that establish the DA world.

[Al Foley]

Fun fact: I usually read the codex on the Wiki when I get my chance and not in game...but I do read a lot of them. 

[Ariella]

Fun fact: I usually read the codex on the Wiki when I get my chance and not in game...but I do read a lot of them. 

 

I'll reread them on Wiki, and try and catch the ones I missed I game. Of course, if people don't read them, I have to wonder why Bioware waste resources to code in someone who sells the entries the PC would no longer have access to because they were missed at the main story points.

 

And some of them are just fun. How Cullen's updates after the chess match and after the romance is just LOL. Sera's "dossier" by Josie updates frequently too. I was surprised to find out that despite her disdain for the outdoors, she wants to go dragon hunting, which pings the first time you have her in company and see a dragon in flight. 

[Abyss108]

Not biased, informed. If you disagree about the objective angle, then again, make a reasonable case for how Inquisition is an inherently better game than just accuse me of bias. 

 

I'm not moving any goal post, merely responding in kind to each post rather than blankly stating the same thing. I'm also challenging folks who believe that Inquisition is an inherently better game to make a case for it rather than scream "bias". I've already stated my reasoning and observations for why I believe Origins is inherently and objectively better than Inquisition with criteria that can be applied to different games such as content, replay value, quality of gameplay and storytelling, characters, combat system, role-play options and etc. 

 

So I'm not certain about where all this "your biased" nonsense is coming from other than that you don't like what I have to say. In which case, come up with a reasonable counterargument and then we can have some dialogue and discussion occur rather than an annoying repetition.

 

 

Sooooooooo... You're missing the point on purpose now right? 

 

No one other than you is saying any game is inherently better.

 

People are saying you're biased because you are treating you own opinion as fact. 

[leaguer of one]

Not biased, informed. If you disagree about the objective angle, then again, make a reasonable case for how Inquisition is an inherently better game than just accuse me of bias. 

 

I'm not moving any goal post, merely responding in kind to each post rather than blankly stating the same thing. I'm also challenging folks who believe that Inquisition is an inherently better game to make a case for it rather than scream "bias". I've already stated my reasoning and observations for why I believe Origins is inherently and objectively better than Inquisition with criteria that can be applied to different games such as content, replay value, quality of gameplay and storytelling, characters, combat system, role-play options and etc. 

 

So I'm not certain about where all this "your biased" nonsense is coming from other than that you don't like what I have to say. In which case, come up with a reasonable counterargument and then we can have some dialogue and discussion occur rather than an annoying repetition.

Sorry but it's bias. You stated that their is not one great moment in dai comes close to the level of dao. I named everyone and pointed out that everyone of them would normally be unbelievable and the stuff of legends each normally happening to one person yet it happened to on character. After which you went on to say "Well.. the warden would of handled it better..."

 

Seriously, you're bias.

Their is no way around it. Origins is only better with roleplaying and that only because of the origins you can have for your pc. And that's it. Nothing else dao does is better then dai

[leaguer of one]

bet 95% of the players playing DA:I never reading a single Codex, it's the game fault for delivering boring text into content.

The only way to understand of dai the story is to read the codex. Sorry, try again.

[leaguer of one]

what game you playing? what story? 

that templar that's dieing never say anything... he just laying their dieing and i press Ignore templars deserve to die....

unless you have ouside information most DA:I players have this is what i extract from this game.

Yes the templer does say something.

At 5:47.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

If you never read any of the codexes then why are you playing this game?  

I don't read all of them honestly but I take a peek at a few from time to time.

I like that system over one time info dumps tbh.

[ShadowLordXII]

Sorry but it's bias. You stated that their is not one great moment in dai comes close to the level of dao. I named everyone and pointed out that everyone of them would normally be unbelievable and the stuff of legends each normally happening to one person yet it happened to on character. After which you went on to say "Well.. the warden would of handled it better..."

 

Seriously, you're bias.

Their is no way around it. Origins is only better with roleplaying and that only because of the origins you can have for your pc. And that's it. Nothing else dao does is better then dai

 

More bias nonsense? "Warden would have handled it better?" When did I say that?

 

This is going nowhere unless you actually want to make a case on how Inquisition is better. But based on your current responses, I still don't see it. This is becoming less of a discussion and more of trying to argue with a brick wall.

 

The bias is clearly strong here and it's not with me.

[Rawgrim]

Sorry but it's bias. You stated that their is not one great moment in dai comes close to the level of dao. I named everyone and pointed out that everyone of them would normally be unbelievable and the stuff of legends each normally happening to one person yet it happened to on character. After which you went on to say "Well.. the warden would of handled it better..."

 

Seriously, you're bias.

Their is no way around it. Origins is only better with roleplaying and that only because of the origins you can have for your pc. And that's it. Nothing else dao does is better then dai

 

You take dumb to a whole different level, don't you? Is it intentional?

[CoM Solaufein]

Better? Not all. Next.

[Eyes_Only]

I could honestly care less about what the rest of the world, or you guys, feel is the better game.

 

I love DAO and have played it countless times. Does that make it better then the others? Not really. I enjoy DA2 and have many fond memories of both DA2 and DAI. But DAO was the introduction into this world I love.

 

Much like Mass Effect. There are aspects of the second and third that are better then the original. But the original is still my favorite.

 

And for the record I read all the codex I can collect in game.

[AnUnculturedLittlePotato]

You take dumb to a whole different level, don't you? Is it intentional?

Probably honestly. Only the blind can miss the point this much.

[leaguer of one]

You take dumb to a whole different level, don't you? Is it intentional?

Sorry, but I literally tell the truth here. my point is far from dumb. I can post what this guy said when I listed what the quis done. I'm not saying one is better then the other just the guy is using a squid view to judge them

[leaguer of one]

More bias nonsense? "Warden would have handled it better?" When did I say that?

 

This is going nowhere unless you actually want to make a case on how Inquisition is better. But based on your current responses, I still don't see it. This is becoming less of a discussion and more of trying to argue with a brick wall.

 

The bias is clearly strong here and it's not with me.

Sorry, I remembered the quote wrong. You said quest were more involving in dao. But that not really true ether out side of the origins. Dao and dai quest are equally as involving.

[Navasha]

I agree that DA:O was a better game than Inquisition overall.   Its a standard however, that they aren't going to be able to top again.   As the series expands and they try to pull more and more people into playing the games, much of what made DA:O "great" will have been abandoned.   That's just the nature of this business.   Few series that become popular remain true to their initial offering.  

 

However, While I loved the story of DA2 just fine, I do think Inquisition was a step back in the right direction after the huge fall  they had with DA2.   It was just so horribly executed and such a large break from DA:O that it was always going to fail.