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[The_Mac23]

Any of you think Duncan should have been the one Flemeth saved? What would he have done being alone after Ostagar? If Origins had been based on him, what would he have done?

[sylvanaerie]

What would he have done?  Loghain is out for blood after Ostagar.  A Civil War has broken out.  Duncan was all about 'end the Blight', but he was also practical, and one man.  He had doubts before the fiasco battle that killed him. Now the entire nation is standing around with a massive case of Cranial-rectomitis.

 

He'd have not bothered with jumping through flaming hoops like a trained circus poodle, and would have left Ferelden and Orzammar to burn, heading for the Orlesian border to regroup with the Orlesian wardens and stop it there.

[The_Mac23]

You think so? Or would he have attempted to put those like Sten through the Joining and rescue Riordan from Howe to mount one more stand? He knew about the treaties before our Warden and Alistair obviously. Think he would have bothered using them?

[sylvanaerie]

Nope.  He already had Grey Warden numbers and Ferelden troops helping in Ostagar, and a more defensible surroundings to attempt fighting them.  Once Ostagar was done, he would have had no support.  Not even the treaties, because for each group you have to do something stupid that could get you killed to get their help.  He wouldn't have wasted time trying to recruit when 1) a fair number of those recruits will die in the Joining and 2) he has no support from the nation he'd be trying to save.

 

The whole way he would have been fighting off Loghain's efforts to stop him as well, having the nation turned against him and any other wardens. 

 

He'd have gone on to Orlais and used the treaties there.  There is a Circle, Dwarves and Dalish in Orlais to use his treaties with and none of the crap present in Ferelden there.

[The_Mac23]

Good points for sure. Why did our Warden and Alistair not consider that? Or are you saying they were more capable than Duncan? Personally, I think Duncan would have been a good match against Loghain, even better than our Warden.

[sylvanaerie]

During one dialogue the warden can ask Alistair why don't they just leave and Alistair admonishes you that 'isn't an option'.  Plus, short game if we did the practical thing eh?

It's not a matter of capability.  It's about practicality.  He's alone, squaring off against Loghain, who has troops and his formidable reputation to back his opposing force.  Duncan is only one grey warden, if he died, Ferelden would be lost anyway.  If recruitment was that easy, why didn't Duncan have a hundred or more recruits in Ostagar?  He says 'our numbers are too few.  We look to Loghain to make up the difference.'  There is only Jory, Daveth and the PC.  As it is, Loghain stole the grey warden records and the remaining stores of Archdemon blood for recruitment.  He's not going to just hand that over because Duncan asked nicely.

 

Duncan has treaties, but each of the treaty spots has troubles that would require addressing before being able to help him.  (Or use that as an excuse why they can't).  Faced with these odds, alone (even if he managed to find some companions to help him) Duncan is going to cut his losses and go to Orlais (the nation bordering Ferelden with a sizable concentration of Wardens) to deal with the archdemon.

 

He may even try to convince them to return to Ferelden, since delaying means a more powerful enemy, but Loghain was blocking entry to Ferelden by anyone from Orlais.  At that point, they would probably just wait till either everyone in Ferelden was dead or gone (thus, no longer opposed) and they could advance on the enemy or waited till the enemy advanced to them.

[Illegitimus]

Good points for sure. Why did our Warden and Alistair not consider that? Or are you saying they were more capable than Duncan? Personally, I think Duncan would have been a good match against Loghain, even better than our Warden.

 

I think you've overlooked something.  The only reason what the Warden and Alistair did worked is because Alistair was Maric's bastard, raised as such by Eamon, and the Warden was quixotic enough to go looking for Andraste's ashes to save Eamon.  Without Eamon and his claimant to the throne, it all falls apart.  It's not a matter of capability.  

[The_Mac23]

The low numbers of the Wardens is somewhat of a plot hole. Duncan, or perhaps the entire order, but Duncan we know was too selective in my opinion of who he recruited. And it wasn't like he had a good knack for who would survive lol Daveth and Jory proved that.

In a crisis like the Blight, I think you gotta grab as many volunteers as you can for sure! The PC does so in Awakening, Riordan vouches for Loghain, etc. Duncan should have grabbed the PC and who he/she travelled with in the Origins. The Dwarf Noble and Gorim would have been great Wardens.

Why do you suppose Sten wasn't put through the Joining? He'd have been a bad a mofo of a Warden. Were there any Kossith among the Wardens?

Back to Duncan. Was he too picky you think? And did he have any Ferelden ties? I don't know much about him.

[sylvanaerie]

Duncan was in the Calling novel.  I am unsure what his origins were, but after the events of that book, Maric allowed the GW's reentry into Ferelden.  Duncan became the Warden Commander of Ferelden.  As far as I know, that's the only tie he had to the country.  Sten wasn't put through the Joining because we didn't have any of the Joining Mojo.  And for plot reasons, Loghain is the only candidate by the time we do have the materials to make wardens.  Because, apparently that's the only person in all of Ferelden eligible for the Joining.

 

Riiiiiiiight...

[Qun00]

Flemeth doesn't give a damn about the Blight.

She just wanted someone to fill Morrigan with babies.

[Ghost Gal]

Any of you think Duncan should have been the one Flemeth saved? What would he have done being alone after Ostagar? If Origins had been based on him, what would he have done?

 

Play the game to the end and you'll see that Flemeth chose Alistair and the Warden for another reason besides ending the Blight.

 

Spoiler

She needed a recently-initiated male Warden to impregnate Morrigan with a tainted child so it could attract the soul of an Old God. Since Alistair (and potentially a Male Warden) fits the bill, Flemeth saves Alistair and the Warden (even the potentially female Warden, since she's clearly the brains of the outfit and happens to be right next to him when Flemeth comes to the rescue) to fill that role.

[Cobra's_back]

Any of you think Duncan should have been the one Flemeth saved? What would he have done being alone after Ostagar? If Origins had been based on him, what would he have done?

He was too old and she needed a young recruit. 

[Aren]

Duncan was not on the top of that tower otherwise probably Flemeth would have rescued him as well afterall she does not need a female warden either and she decided to save her just to combat the blight.
Too bad that Flemeth didn't instruct morrigan with blood mind controlling since apparently a simple "No" from the Warden part ruined a plan that she prepared for decades what an epic fail (well not as epic as Solas since flemeth really did nothing just waited for lovly daughter to do the dirty work) but the "NO" was fatal and Morri was really upset.......lol "you are out of luck" this was one dialogue option there if i recall.
All this spoiler for a game old of years are not a problem right?

[jros83]

Flemeth probably rightfully assumed Duncan would never even consider knocking up Morrigan.