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[berelinde]

See, the thing that proves to me that the legacy was the important part of the quest and not Dorian's homosexuality, is that I can read the above quotes and not know that Dorian is gay at all. He could be straight and the quest could play out the same way.

Yeah, that was my takeaway from it. The issue between Dorian and Halward was never Dorian's orientation as much as his refusal to conform to Halward's expectations, a subject that's always relevant. People all over the globe struggle with it all the time and most of them are straight. They just want to control their own destiny without having to marry the spouse/enter the career/become the athlete/enter the beauty pageants/join the political party of their parents' choosing. If somebody can look at that and see nothing but The Gay, but that's a limitation they're going to have to deal with their whole lives. I'm not trivializing the challenges LGBAT people face because they do encounter more prejudice and less tolerance than many other groups, but parents can make their children's lives miserable over more issues than orientation or identity.

[Iakus]

Yeah, that was my takeaway from it. The issue between Dorian and Halward was never Dorian's orientation as much as his refusal to conform to Halward's expectations, a subject that's always relevant. People all over the globe struggle with it all the time and most of them are straight. They just want to control their own destiny without having to marry the spouse/enter the career/become the athlete/enter the beauty pageants/join the political party of their parents' choosing. If somebody can look at that and see nothing but The Gay, but that's a limitation they're going to have to deal with their whole lives. I'm not trivializing the challenges LGBAT people face because they do encounter more prejudice and less tolerance than many other groups, but parents can make their children's lives miserable over more issues than orientation or identity.

QFT

 

Edit:  Looked at a certain way, Varric and Bianca had a very similar situation regarding her family.  One that turned out very differently. 

[berelinde]

Looked at a certain way, Varric and Bianca had a very similar situation regarding her family.  One that turned out very differently. 

I hadn't looked at it that way, but you're right, their situations are both similar and different. The resolutions are different because the people involved are different, but the situation is a lot more similar than I thought. Bianca could have rebelled against her family's expectations, rejected the respectable Kalna Smith Caste husband her parents chose for her, and followed her heart even if it killed her (and it probably would have), but she didn't. We'll never know why she made the decisions she did, and that's probably for the best. I'm not sure how many of us are capable of emotional detachment where Varric is concerned. I know I'm not.

 

Now that I think about it, some of their banters touch upon their similarities.

 

 

Varric: So I hear you're kind of the black sheep in your family, Sparkler.

Dorian: Where does that saying come from? I'm not a sheep. No one in my family could be described a "sheep".

Varric: I'm just saying, you and I have... something in common.

Dorian: Goodness, I had no idea.

Varric: Okay, not that much in common.

 

Varric: Should you be married off right now, Sparkler? Little magelets running amok.

Dorian: If my family had their way.

Varric: Had someone lined up for you, huh?

Dorian: Livia Herathinos. Bright girl, hourglass figure, wicked tongue. Relieved I'm gone, I expect.

Varric: Sounds like you two would have made a happy couple.

Dorian: Oh yes. Trading coy insults at every party would have been a delight.

 

 

 

 

Actually, those two have a lot of good banters. I should bring them out together more often.

[Hellion Rex]

Just a note in general, I am enjoying reading people's opinions about the quest, even though I don't agree with everyone. There is a decent discussion going on about Dorian, as well as looking at the bigger picture in regards to how this quest is reflective of Bioware's successes and failures when writing their characters.

[CuriousArtemis]

Just a note in general, I am enjoying reading people's opinions about the quest, even though I don't agree with everyone. There is a decent discussion going on about Dorian, as well as looking at the bigger picture in regards to how this quest is reflective of Bioware's successes and failures when writing their characters.

 

Have to agree with this; I'm not really commenting anymore but am enjoying seeing the conversation continue. So nice to see a thoughtful and considerate conversation on BSN that doesn't resort to "shouting" and name-calling...

[Excella Gionne]

Even better if you are attempting to romance him. Playing with fire is better. Vivienne shall be proven wrong!

[BansheeOwnage]

Yeah, that was my takeaway from it. The issue between Dorian and Halward was never Dorian's orientation as much as his refusal to conform to Halward's expectations, a subject that's always relevant. People all over the globe struggle with it all the time and most of them are straight. They just want to control their own destiny without having to marry the spouse/enter the career/become the athlete/enter the beauty pageants/join the political party of their parents' choosing. If somebody can look at that and see nothing but The Gay, but that's a limitation they're going to have to deal with their whole lives. I'm not trivializing the challenges LGBAT people face because they do encounter more prejudice and less tolerance than many other groups, but parents can make their children's lives miserable over more issues than orientation or identity.

Glad you mentioned asexual/aromantic people in there. I'd imagine they have to deal with a few of those problems a lot, though you never hear about it much.

[Kakistos_]

I loved Dorians personal quest. I think that Dorian's sexuality was a vital part of the equation. It may not have been part of the bulk of the problem but it was the straw that broke the camel's back. The Blood Magic Ritual that Halward was going to perform was clearly meant to change Dorian's sexuality. It was the Ritual that prompted Dorian to leave, had it not been for that then Dorian may have stayed or at least not left when he did and much would have been different.

[magic713]

When I think of Dorian's quest and the tension he has with his father, I feel like a more accurate analogy of the tension would be a prince wanting to marry a peasant girl rather than a noble daughter. It's not about Dorian being gay but more about him breaking tradition and not willing to marry to strengthen the family line. It's not about homosexuality, but about not following the family norm. 

 

And that is why I like this quest because it doesn't push the idea of defining Dorian as purely gay, but moreso that he is being true to himself rather than bending to his family's will. 

[BansheeOwnage]

When I think of Dorian's quest and the tension he has with his father, I feel like a more accurate analogy of the tension would be a prince wanting to marry a peasant girl rather than a noble daughter. It's not about Dorian being gay but more about him breaking tradition and not willing to marry to strengthen the family line. It's not about homosexuality, but about not following the family norm. 

 

And that is why I like this quest because it doesn't push the idea of defining Dorian as purely gay, but moreso that he is being true to himself rather than bending to his family's will. 

Indeed, and the Inquisitor can even say that: "It takes courage to abandon tradition and forge your own path."

 

(Though I think I messed up the quote a bit, you get the point.)

[Arlee]

Indeed, and the Inquisitor can even say that: "It takes courage to abandon tradition and forge your own path."

 

(Though I think I messed up the quote a bit, you get the point.)

 

It's the first non-romance option after Dorian does his bit about wondering what the Inquisitor thinks of him. The Inquisitor says "I think you're brave." Dorian questions that and then the Inquisitor responds with the line you said and Dorian greatly approves This exchange is actually my favorite option there

[BansheeOwnage]

It's the first non-romance option after Dorian does his bit about wondering what the Inquisitor thinks of him. The Inquisitor says "I think you're brave." Dorian questions that and then the Inquisitor responds with the line you said and Dorian greatly approves This exchange is actually my favorite option there

I know, I was quoting it from there

 

But yes, it's my favourite option too, although I wish there was an option to relate to him at least somewhat. Oh well.