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[Cyberpunk]

Do we know how she was cured of the taint? Was it by Maric's dragon blood or by the Architect? 

[thats1evildude]

Architect.

If you doubt his ability to do this, I'll remind he is one of the original tainted magisters.

[Cyberpunk]

Architect.

If you doubt his ability to do this, I'll remind he is one of the original tainted magisters.

 

Where did you get the Architect? 

[BloodKaiden]

She's such a horrible character even the taint didn't want her. -.-

[riverbanks]

Do we know how she was cured of the taint? Was it by Maric's dragon blood or by the Architect? 

 

It was the Architect, or it was the amulet. Very little chance it was Maric's magical dragon sperm, as Rowan wasn't cured of the Taint by it, and Alistair himself wasn't immune to the Taint either, despite carrying the same dragon blood.

[katerinafm]

Pretty sure it was because she got pregnant with Maric aka got dragon blood. I wouldn't be surprised if Alistair finds out he is immune to the taint eventually despite hearing the song.

[riverbanks]

Pretty sure it was because she got pregnant with Maric aka got dragon blood. I wouldn't be surprised if Alistair finds out he is immune to the taint eventually despite hearing the song.

 

Alistair is not immune to the Taint - if he was, he couldn't even be a Grey Warden.

[katerinafm]

Alistair is not immune to the Taint - if he was, he couldn't even be a Grey Warden.

 

Maybe that just means he can get the benefits without the side effects.

[riverbanks]

Maybe that just means he can get the benefits without the side effects.

 

He already gets the side effects - he has the nightmares, he hears the Calling. He's a full Warden, for good or ill.

 

Not that Maric's blood couldn't be what cured Fiona's taint, but again: his magical sperm did not cure Rowan, and did not make Alistair immune. So if his blood is the key element, then Fiona got an exceptionally lucky oneshot that doesn't work for anyone but her. It's far more likely, then, that it was either the Architect himself or the whole thing with the amulet.

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, I don't know why people keep insisting that Maric magically cured Fiona with his healing penis.

It was the Architect's amulet. It was probably a side effect he didn't foresee of the magic he used to accelerate the taint.

[Heimdall]

He already gets the side effects - he has the nightmares, he hears the Calling. He's a full Warden, for good or ill.

 

Not that Maric's blood couldn't be what cured Fiona's taint, but again: his magical sperm did not cure Rowan, and did not make Alistair immune. So if his blood is the key element, then Fiona got an exceptionally lucky oneshot that doesn't work for anyone but her. It's far more likely, then, that it was either the Architect himself or the whole thing with the amulet.

Wait, Rowan didn't die of the taint, she was never tainted, it was a wasting disease that killed her.

 

I think it was a combination of the amulet, the architect, and being pregnant with Alistair that led to a one in a billion fluke that cured her,

[katerinafm]

Yeah, I don't know why people keep insisting that Maric magically cured Fiona with his healing penis.

It was the Architect's amulet. It was probably a side effect he didn't foresee of the magic he used to accelerate the taint.

 

Then why weren't the other Wardens cured, like Duncan?

[lynroy]

Duncan was not effected by the Architect's amulet because of the enchanted dagger he stole while poking around the First Enchanters chambers, unless I am remembering wrong. So the amulet never worked the way it was meant to on Duncan. No magical acceleration of the taint for him. The only other Warden that survived those events was Utha, and she already had the Architect help turn her into an adorable genlock.

 

I'm going to stick with plot magic as the cure.

[riverbanks]

Wait, Rowan didn't die of the taint, she was never tainted, it was a wasting disease that killed her.

 

The wasting disease that killed Rowan being the taint is one of many theories out there - they were in the Deep Roads for a while, in close contact with darkspawn and the taint, and Rowan had never shown anything but kicking good health prior to suddenly having a wasting illness that even healing magic couldn't cure. (she was the people's beloved Queen, no? they would've put everything into saving her, and there's only one thing we know that even the most powerful magic can't heal)

[Heimdall]

The wasting disease that killed Rowan being the taint is one of many theories out there - they were in the Deep Roads for a while, in close contact with darkspawn and the taint, and Rowan had never shown anything but kicking good health prior to suddenly having a wasting illness that even healing magic couldn't cure. (she was the people's beloved Queen, no? they would've put everything into saving her, and there's only one thing we know that even the most powerful magic can't heal)

There's nothing in this setting stating that magic can cure all illness besides the Blight.  Besides which, she died years after that foray into the Deep Roads.  That may have been a theory, but I'm highly skeptical.  It certainly isn't solid enough to exclude Fiona's pregnancy as a factor in her being cured.

 

i still think it was a fluke though.

[thats1evildude]

Duncan was not effected by the Architect's amulet because of the enchanted dagger he stole while poking around the First Enchanters chambers, unless I am remembering wrong. So the amulet never worked the way it was meant to on Duncan. No magical acceleration of the taint for him.

 

You're correct. It was the First Enchanter's ace-in-the-hole in his dealings with the Architect.

 

 

Then why weren't the other Wardens cured?

 

Because they didn't take off their amulets.

 

See, that's how the magic worked: it accelerated the taint while they wore the amulets, but when Fiona's amulet was removed, it caused the opposite effect, completely erasing the taint from her body.

[riverbanks]

There's nothing in this setting stating that magic can cure all illness besides the Blight.  Besides which, she died years after that foray into the Deep Roads.  That may have been a theory, but I'm highly skeptical.  It certainly isn't solid enough to exclude Fiona's pregnancy as a factor in her being cured.

 

i still think it was a fluke though.

 

No, it's not, of course. Alistair having the same blood and still being affected by the taint is much more solid than that - if the dragon blood is somehow capable of curing the taint, then Alistair should not be susceptible to its effects, since it would be much stronger in him than in Fiona.

 

I don't feel it's just a casual fluke though, the amulet subplot is set up as a Chekov's Gun like two chapters in. We just don't get the text spelling it out in every single letter that the amulet did it, but I think it's fairly implied that that's where the plot trigger fired.

[Heimdall]

No, it's not, of course. Alistair having the same blood and still being affected by the taint is much more solid than that - if the dragon blood is somehow capable of curing the taint, then Alistair should not be susceptible to its effects, since it would be much stronger in him than in Fiona.

 

I don't feel it's just a casual fluke though, the amulet subplot is set up as a Chekov's Gun like two chapters in. We just don't get the text spelling it out in every single letter that the amulet did it, but I think it's fairly implied that that's where the plot trigger fired.

Well, yeah.  Like I said earlier, I think it was "perfect storm" situation.  It was a fluke because Fiona had both the amulet and Alistair.  I don't think it was Alistair's blood that cured her, but I think that it reacted with the amulet's magic in some way that did cure her.

 

A non-reproducible fluke. 

[Lumix19]

I thought that part of the point of Fiona's cure was to set up for the idea of Blight magic being capable of doing so - thus a future plot point. Future plans to cure the Calling would seem rather pointless if dragon blood played any major role in said cure.

[Leo]

I don't remember the book well, but I always thought Fiona being possessed by the demon (and then being unpossessed) is what cured her of the taint.

[Sifr]

No, it's not, of course. Alistair having the same blood and still being affected by the taint is much more solid than that - if the dragon blood is somehow capable of curing the taint, then Alistair should not be susceptible to its effects, since it would be much stronger in him than in Fiona.

 

I don't feel it's just a casual fluke though, the amulet subplot is set up as a Chekov's Gun like two chapters in. We just don't get the text spelling it out in every single letter that the amulet did it, but I think it's fairly implied that that's where the plot trigger fired.

 

Yeah, that Alistair is a Grey Warden despite this would suggest that whatever immunity Fiona has did not pass to him, nor was the Dragon's blood he (supposedly) inherited from Maric... especially since we don't know if the latter story was true or that Dragon's blood even is a cure, since it could be total hogwash and a major red herring.

 

What's the most curious thing about Fiona's immunity is that despite it possibly coming from the amulet's magic, the effects were permanent, since she tells us that they tried to put her through the Joining, apparently more than once, but nothing they tried worked.

 

I don't know if I believe that being pregnant with Alistair is the reason she was cured though, since unless they tried to put her through the Ritual before she found out she was with child, I really doubt that the Wardens are insane enough to put a pregnant woman through the Joining?

[Knight of Dane]

Does her immunity mean that in the future you can explore with Dorian she is a unlimited Red Lyrium vein...?

[MisterJB]

Lol Maric's magic dragon sperm.
There is some horrible fanfiction being written right now about Alistair curing the Warden in this manner.

[TobiTobsen]

Lol Maric's magic dragon sperm.
There is some horrible fanfiction being written right now about Alistair curing the Warden in this manner.

 

That's gotta be one awesome pick up line:

 

"Hey baby... tired of "tainted" love? My "dragon rage" *points to crotch* will burn that right outta you!" *bow chicka bow wow"

[Hydwn]

Architect.

If you doubt his ability to do this, I'll remind he is one of the original tainted magisters.

 

This, either through the amulet, or the implied experiments in The Calling.  

 

One thing I kept wondering in Inquisition was how much power Corypheus has over the blight.  Ordinary Darkspawn spread it casually, but theyre mostly mindless.  Corypheus corrupted his dragon because he chose to corrupt it.  But aside from the red-lyrium takers theres no sign that he ghoul-ified anyone, created Broodmothers, or anything else either by accident or on purpose.

 

The case of Felix Alexius is interesting for comparison.  Even with the most powerful magic of the Imperium at the command of his family, he was still getting worse.  Magic had bought him months - as it buys the Dalish warden days in Origins - but the was running out of time.  Erimond says that Corypheus controls the Blight, but it was clear Felix was worse in the future.  Was Corypheus withholding the cure until Gereon Alexius solved the problem of time magic?  Or was Corypheus powerless to cure Felix, only able to slow his deterioration further?