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[TheInvoker]

Dragon Rage:

-More Damage (not the double like many of you could think)

-Costs HP to use

-Doesn't give stamina back on hit

 

Normal attacks

-Reduce abilities' cooldown on critics

-Doesn't cost health

-Return stamina on hit (very useful to sustain ring of pain)

 

Also,if you don't take Dragon Rage you can spend 2 points in something else even if i prefer to take it anyway because i feel that vs Dragons and giants is more useful than normal attacks (reducing cooldown of stun and mighty blow is useless since those enemies can't be stunned or freezed and ring of pain is useful vs group of enemies not a sngle one so i fight without it)

 

I know this is not a very popoular choice but is there someone who thinks the same?

[ottffsse]

A few corrections : dragon rage works with flow of battle as it does crit.

Dragon rage also hits faster than your two handed weapon swing because animation is way shorter.

[TheInvoker]

A few corrections : dragon rage works with flow of battle as it does crit.

Dragon rage also hits faster than your two handed weapon swing because animation is way shorter.

 

Mages have CD reduction from auto attacks (lightning) and abilities (fire)....this works with everything?

i know ijt's faster,but it's part of the "more damage"

Also that attack speed bonus is mitigated in part by strange animation after third attack when our Warrior just stop  and does nothing for 1-1.5s 

[ottffsse]

Usually you do 2x attack with dragon rage followed by normal attack.

It's just flow of battle. A crit any crit reduced cool down with that passive. It can be from ability or auto attack.

The mage passives are specific. Storm gathering storm works only with "attacks" and not abilities. That's in it's description.

Clean burn works that any spell cast reduces all cds by 1s.

[actionhero112]

Reaver operates better at low health, due to belts of urgency and passives. 

 

You can animation cancel your dragon rage backswing into combat roll. 

 

In general though, you take Reaver for dragon rage. It's like going Rift Mage and not taking Pull of the Abyss. 

[TheInvoker]

nice to read that CD are reduced but the stamina problem remain. 

in this case i have to choose between RoP and Dragon Rage with RoP giving more heal from Devour.....or maybe something that give stamina back on kills because dragon rage doesn't give stamina back on hit

 

But i reallly like to heal for 80% of missing HP with devour and RoP

 

And before you say it,there is no chance i take static RoP to reduce cost and CD of Devour. i use the new toggle upgrade.

[InquisitorPotato]

You can be anything and do anything you want with your skill points. Honestly most people doing build videos have like 100+ skill points from mods or duping power amulet.




Don't like cheating? Make different save files or characters.

Dragon rage does more damage and can be sustained with the correct gear/masterwork etc

[TheInvoker]

You can be anything and do anything you want with your skill points. Honestly most people doing build videos have like 100+ skill points from mods or duping power amulet.




Don't like cheating? Make different save files or characters.

Dragon rage does more damage and can be sustained with the correct gear/masterwork etc

no i don't like cheating also because it's useless to have more than 8 activated abilities since i can't put them on the bar.

i'll try evrything but on the paper i prefer Normal attacks+RoP and good heal instead of more damage

[InquisitorPotato]

no i don't like cheating also because it's useless to have more than 8 activated abilities since i can't put them on the bar.
i'll try evrything but on the paper i prefer Normal attacks+RoP and good heal instead of more damage

Understood. Tho if you get infinite skill points its more for the passive effects and stat bonuses other skills give.

Having every passive and the stats they give is too gud for me to pass >_<

[TheInvoker]

 but it's not fair! also i think you can get many passive even without cheats

at lvl 25 (not the final)...you can have like 28 points to spend

 

some maths

Dragon Rage does 200% weapon damage...i should check if that damage is considerd bonus (to add to attack aand critical damage) or if also that bonus damage can be multiplid by other bonus....it would be op this way but i'll check for what i can

 

assume it's not this way.. i have 200% damage vs 100%+ROp that gives 15% but it's aoe. so if i face groups of 4 enemies the damage is 160% without losing HP,getting stamina back and with better devour

 

I think once again Dragon Rage is good vs bosses. i can spend points for it but it won't be my "only way to go" like the game says

[Evelynne]

The one time I played Reaver, I never auto-attacked. Ever. Livid, Health Gain when I Kill and Health Gain when I deal damage (1% MW), Horn of Valor, and any Amulet of Barrier makes you essentially invincible anyways. Dragon Rage, Devour, and Combat Roll are the only attacks I really need.

[TheInvoker]

The one time I played Reaver, I never auto-attacked. Ever. Livid, Health Gain when I Kill and Health Gain when I deal damage (1% MW), Horn of Valor, and any Amulet of Barrier makes you essentially invincible anyways. Dragon Rage, Devour, and Combat Roll are the only attacks I really need.

You didn't use Ring of Pain....

 

Again i'm trouble finding the balance between HP and Stamina

I did some testo to mana/stamina regeneration to see if RoP i sustainable but it's not. nothing mitigats its cost. Amulet of Renewal does nothing. Stamina regeneration doesn't count. RoP consumes 5.1% of max stamina so even having 200 stamina doesn't improve the duration

 

Why would i like to use RoP? Because Devour heals 2x and Dragon rage does more damage and cost less HP, But without any AA stamina falls down super quickly.

 

Can someone put here a complete build of his Reaver? A build that allows to use RoP and Devour without going out of stamina and has a good sustain for HP

HP sustain is more difficult because bonus heal doesn't work at all. i tried crafted armor and the superb belt. no improved healing,at least not from devour.

 

Does belt of urgency give more attack speed also to Dragon Rage or only to base auto attacks?

[Gya]

Belt of urgency boosts speed of all attacks including dragon rage.

[Ruegar14]

Not even a question dr nonstop and and devour.

[Ruegar14]

Not to mention if your crit is looking good , it's lmfao cuz devour never on cd

[zeypher]

They trick with reavers is not Hp but stamina. As long a reaver has stamina he can get 80% of hp back with a devour. Another thing is Ring of pain devours stamina as a % of total stamina. So you should try to focus on faster regen rather than more stamina. Think one amulet gives you stamina for every kill and is extremely useful for 95% of enemies in the game as it allows you to maintain Ring of pain and devour when you need to no problems.

[PapaCharlie9]

As long a reaver has stamina he can get 80% of hp back with a devour.

But why would a Reaver want 80% of hp back? Isn't that the same as debuffing Blood Frenzy and Dragon Rage by 70% or so?

[HannahRose]

They trick with reavers is not Hp but stamina. As long a reaver has stamina he can get 80% of hp back with a devour. Another thing is Ring of pain devours stamina as a % of total stamina. So you should try to focus on faster regen rather than more stamina. Think one amulet gives you stamina for every kill and is extremely useful for 95% of enemies in the game as it allows you to maintain Ring of pain and devour when you need to no problems.

 

You're looking for 100% up time on Ring of Pain, or close to it. The game, and the skill itself, aren't really designed for that, at least not without sacrificing a significant amount of DPS. Just focus on maximizing the damage output from your offensive skills, such as Dragon Claw (which is much, MUCH stronger than regular attacks btw), combat roll, and Devour, and use RoP selectively.

 

And if you're concerned about the HP return from Devour, just use the Lifeblood upgrade from Trespasser. That should be more than enough to keep you alive while also keeping your health low enough so as to benefit from the Reaver's other passives more often, as long as you're also keeping your Guard up with HoV etc that is.

[zeypher]

You're looking for 100% up time on Ring of Pain, or close to it. The game, and the skill itself, aren't really designed for that, at least not without sacrificing a significant amount of DPS. Just focus on maximizing the damage output from your offensive skills, such as Dragon Claw (which is much, MUCH stronger than regular attacks btw), combat roll, and Devour, and use RoP selectively.

 

And if you're concerned about the HP return from Devour, just use the Lifeblood upgrade from Trespasser. That should be more than enough to keep you alive while also keeping your health low enough so as to benefit from the Reaver's other passives more often, as long as you're also keeping your Guard up with HoV etc that is.

I already know how to play a reaver but thanks.

[PapaCharlie9]

I already know how to play a reaver but thanks.

Maybe not as well as you think ...

As long a reaver has stamina he can get 80% of hp back with a devour.

But why would a Reaver want 80% of hp back? Isn't that the same as debuffing Blood Frenzy and Dragon Rage by 70% or so?

[zeypher]

You want hp back when you are nearly dead. Thats why i said 80%. A dead reaver is absolutely useless and for overall balance between survivability and damage 25% to 30% is my preferable threshold. Finally Many times i like to solo or be the main tank using my reaver.

 

Besides i already said a reaver is stamina limited as ring of pain goes by a % of HP and stamina regen is a good thing to get to maintain RoP for as long as possible. Do note that many people do not like to play a almost dead reaver and each one has their own Hp% threshold they do not want to cross.

[Ruegar14]

Almost dead reaver is the best one lol. Hes right about stamina thing. More stamina the better, and with crit around 50% or so devour is never on CD and always ready so you essiently have a reaver tank lol.especially if your using haste belt and red lining your HP. But then I learned how to master my reaver soloing and I just use other sigils for sh!ts and giggles and the guard one for dlc and and the hidden blades process for added dps instead if the extra stamina 

[zeypher]

The bronto sigil is excellent for a reaver. Combine it with the perk from vanguard which gives you 25% more guard you will now have 100% of your HP as guard. It is absolutely insane.

[Ruegar14]

@zephyer yup. It's crazy how good reaver is. Best solo class imo. Then throw in tonics and oh my lord. The offense tonic plus the sludge one that slows and adds extra % dmg . Sh!is insane. I can spam dr red lining for 10K plus . Nuts. Then there's  livid and sh!t really gets nasty

[HannahRose]

I already know how to play a reaver but thanks.

 

Not to its fullest potential by the sounds of it, but you do you.