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[q5tyhj]

 

And while I really like the feel of the Raider, and it is quite satisfying to use, IMO it doesn't compete with the other top shotguns unless used on a marksman kit.

thems fightin words son

[Teh_Ocelot]

thems fightin words son

qfmft. Besides, if you're doing it right, you're so close you don't need accuracy   

[MaxCrushmore]

thems fightin words son

 

We'll save the suspense and just award you the victory.

 

I like the Raider, but it just doesn't have the same level of scorewhooring in it as some other shotguns ..

[BloodBeforeTears]

Where is he btw since 3 weeks?

 

Still lurking - been busier than usual... I now have a "dissertation supervisor" that keeps poking me with a cattle prod to produce more research, lol.  Nonetheless, I hope to get back in the game soon!

[afgncaap7]

Piranha isn't so bad, but compares to Raider in much the same way that Wraith compares to Claymoar; a watered down, less damaging, easier to use, tiny, worse sounding, uglier, non headgibbing version for babbies, "casters" and other such weaklings who can't handle a real boomstick.

 

If you think the Piranha's "watered down" then maybe it's you who can't handle a boomstick. That "watered down, less damaging, easier to use, tiny, worse sounding, uglier, non headgibbing version for babbies, "casters" and other such weaklings who can't handle a real boomstick." shotgun goes through enemies like the Hulk goes through clothes. It's not even just my opinion, use the damn thing. I call it more OP than the reegar for a reason.

[BloodBeforeTears]

I call it more OP than the reegar for a reason.

 

OK - put down your pre-nerf Piranha patch, and put your hands on the vehicle!

[BloodBeforeTears]

GI / Piranha is the most effective shotgun combo in the game (on console anyways)

 

Unlikely.  Check the gold solo speedrun thread.  There isn't a single piranha entry, but there are GPS, Raider, Reegar, and Venom entries.

[Olivia Wilde]

Technically, wouldn't the Eviscerator be the poor man's Wraith...

Which is funny because in the campaign the Wraith is just a lighter 2 shot Evicerator 

Once I had wraith V i stopped using its uncommon cousin in MP except when I grinded the challenge with the Volus Vanguard

[afgncaap7]

OK - put down your pre-nerf Piranha patch, and put your hands on the vehicle!

 

I don't ride the piranha, I shoot it. A more accurate term would be "trigger". I don't think I even had a chance to use the pre-nerf piranha. Was that before or after Leviathan came out? Cus that's around the time I started.

[TMB903]

I don't ride the piranha, I shoot it. A more accurate term would be "trigger". I don't think I even had a chance to use the pre-nerf piranha. Was that before or after Leviathan came out? Cus that's around the time I started.

Pre-nerf Pirahna had an 8 shot magazine.

[Terminator Force]

Pre-nerf Pirahna had an 8 shot magazine.

 

You can get that and more on RedJohns old host...

[Darth Volus]

Pre-nerf Pirahna had an 8 shot magazine.

 

And 10% more damage. 

[Miniditka77]

If you think the Piranha's "watered down" then maybe it's you who can't handle a boomstick. That "watered down, less damaging, easier to use, tiny, worse sounding, uglier, non headgibbing version for babbies, "casters" and other such weaklings who can't handle a real boomstick." shotgun goes through enemies like the Hulk goes through clothes. It's not even just my opinion, use the damn thing. I call it more OP than the reegar for a reason.

 

People talk crap about the Piranha because they're angry it got nerfed.  It's still a really awesome gun, just not OP like it used to be.

 

Piranha GI > every other GI.  On any remotely enclosed map, that is.

[MaxCrushmore]

Unlikely.  Check the gold solo speedrun thread.  There isn't a single piranha entry, but there are GPS, Raider, Reegar, and Venom entries.

 

I haven't looked there in quite awhile, but I do know for the console Gold speedruns, I believe it was iSaeed who held the record for quite a long time, and he did it with a GI/Piranha

[lonerenforcer9]

Unlikely.  Check the gold solo speedrun thread.  There isn't a single piranha entry, but there are GPS, Raider, Reegar, and Venom entries.

And yet many of the (former) plat speedrun records utilized anywhere from 1-4 piranhas...and not even necessarily on the GI.

Hmmm

[afgncaap7]

Pre-nerf Pirahna had an 8 shot magazine.

 

Then I never used pre-nerf piranha. Only time I've got more than 6 is with a Destroyer.

[MaxCrushmore]

People talk crap about the Piranha because they're angry it got nerfed.  It's still a really awesome gun, just not OP like it used to be.

 

Piranha GI > every other GI.  On any remotely enclosed map, that is.

 

The Piranha is still awesome, even after the rather significant nerf.

 

While the GI / Piranha is a crusher on a smaller map, IMO the GI/Hurricane is slightly better, as it transitions between targets much more easily than the Piranha does. Easier to get more killed mooks per clip than with the Piranha for sure, and it is only very slightly behind the Piranha for taking down bosses.

 

Having said that, witnessing the GI / Javelin & Claymore in practiced and capable hands, it is tough to argue against those two weapons on the GI.

[BloodBeforeTears]

I don't think I even had a chance to use the pre-nerf piranha. Was that before or after Leviathan came out? Cus that's around the time I started.

 

I distinctively remember unlocking it during my first weekend challenge, when I was still only playing MP to increase my SP war assets.  At that point I was exclusively playing bronze using the human infiltrator w/ incisor (my best weapon at the time).  And OMG, the lolPiranha, let me tell you.  After decimating a few bronze & silver matches, I took my beloved piranha 1 straight to gold as a complete PUG and it still delivered (osk 2-3 shielded mooks from cloak at mid-range each cycle).  It was totally the game breaker... and then it was nerfed (sigh)

[Quarian Master Race]

If you think the Piranha's "watered down" then maybe it's you who can't handle a boomstick. That "watered down, less damaging, easier to use, tiny, worse sounding, uglier, non headgibbing version for babbies, "casters" and other such weaklings who can't handle a real boomstick." shotgun goes through enemies like the Hulk goes through clothes. It's not even just my opinion, use the damn thing. I call it more OP than the reegar for a reason.

I assure you, I'm just fine with a Piranha, as is anyone who knows how to point in the general direction of the enemy and use AP rounds with it. It's good, but not as good as the Raider, especially on a MM kit. Both burst and sustained DPS are lower, as well as its accuracy. You can't OHK all humanoids from cross map (indeed, it rarely OHK's anything beyond very short range). Since the nerf the only reasons to use it are lolcooldown, if you can't reload cancel, or your aim is sloppy and you need more than 1-2 shots to get the job done.

http://kalence.drupa...13N53314!F0.A.G

^That setup has enough arse to OHK any gold humanoid and any plat humanoid but the two Possessed Collectors, and from damn near anywhere on the map that has less than 1.5m of obstruction between you and the target. The Piranha can't OHK a gold possessed collector, goon or phantom at all, let alone get near killing one on plat. In practice it even has trouble with typical gold shielded mooks at all but short-mid range. Raider's sustained DPS is higher, and its burst DPS is much, much higher, especially considering it makes much better use of MM's free reload than the Piranha. It's the same story with a Tsol, except you trade some armor DPS for stability and give the Raider the ability to OHK a plat possessed trooper.

But nevermind a marksman, It's hardly a contest anywhere. I took the opportunity to disparage casters, but despite its higher weight Raider is usually better on them as well due to much higher burst DPS and the fact that getting two shots off at 200 RPM and hiding/cancelling reloads is far less disruptive of power use than waiting for 6 at 150 RPM. 
 

The only kits where the Piranha might be on par is the Destroyer (due to clip capacity) and GI (due to synergizing better with TC's damage window, and an only modest accuracy boost reducing the Raider's advantage in that regard). Otherwise, yeah, my original analysis holds true both by the numbers as well as by the more subjective factor that BOOOOM-BOOOOOOM*melon chunks everywhere* >>>>>pff-pff-pff-pff-pff-pff*enemies heads still intact for some reason*

[BloodBeforeTears]

http://kalence.drupa...13N53314!F0.A.G

^That setup has enough arse to OHK any gold humanoid and any plat humanoid but the two Possessed Collectors, and from damn near anywhere on the map that has less than 1.5m of obstruction between you and the target. The Piranha can't OHK a gold possessed collector, goon or phantom at all, let alone get near killing one on plat. In practice it even has trouble with typical gold shielded mooks at all but short-mid range. Raider's sustained DPS is higher, and its burst DPS is much, much higher, especially considering it makes much better use of MM's free reload than the Piranha. It's the same story with a Tsol, except you trade some armor DPS for stability and give the Raider the ability to OHK a plat possessed trooper.

 

OMFG.  That is 1337ist build I've ever seen.  500/500, no fitness, no cyclonic, and a f**king Raider!!!??  If you use that regularly, you are str8 up B0$$ QMR.  In any case, that is enough inspiration for me to at least try it.  Here's to hoping for three waves survived!

[Quarian Master Race]

OMFG.  That is 1337ist build I've ever seen.  500/500, no fitness, no cyclonic, and a f**king Raider!!!??  If you use that regularly, you are str8 up B0$$ QMR.  In any case, that is enough inspiration for me to at least try it.  Here's to hoping for three waves survived!

Actually, I simply didn't bother filling fitness or sabo because they don't really contribute all that much, but Level 20 It'd look something like this.

http://kalence.drupa...13H53314!F03ACO

You can take or leave Sabo vs the last rank of fitness. I like it because haxing toasters is fun and occasionally useful when your pugs decide to play ring around the turret/Prime and get revive chain'd or a fuckіng annoying bullet sponge atlas blocks a hallway with its fat arse, but then again rank 6 fitness will let you tank 1 more gold prime pulse before you die and need to rage rocket so  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Also I hate scanner on anything but snipers and drill rounds setups so I switched it for something else, but Armored Compartments would also be good in case you roll goddamn geth.
 

[lonerenforcer9]

The only kits where the Piranha might be on par is the Destroyer (due to clip capacity) and GI (due to synergizing better with TC's damage window, and an only modest accuracy boost reducing the Raider's advantage in that regard). Otherwise, yeah, my original analysis holds true both by the numbers as well as by the more subjective factor that BOOOOM-BOOOOOOM*melon chunks everywhere* >>>>>pff-pff-pff-pff-pff-pff*enemies heads still intact for some reason*

IMO any kit that's stuffing the face of whatever it's fighting will benefit most from the piranha or Reegar. Marksman aside (sooo good with the Raider and Claymore), those shotguns can consistently do what most others cannot...which is have incredible dps versus bosses but also kill 4-5 mooks (even on plat) in rapid succession, often in one clip.

And the Piranha is perfectly viable at longer ranges, as long as the target is big enough


Also, lolvenom.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Actually, I simply didn't bother filling fitness or sabo because they don't really contribute all that much, but Level 20 It'd look something like this.

http://kalence.drupa...13H53314!F03ACO

You can take or leave Sabo vs the last rank of fitness. I like it because haxing toasters is fun and occasionally useful when your pugs decide to play ring around the turret/Prime and get revive chain'd or a fuckіng annoying bullet sponge atlas blocks a hallway with its fat arse, but then again rank 6 fitness will let you tank 1 more gold prime pulse before you die and need to rage rocket so  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Also I hate scanner on anything but snipers and drill rounds setups so I switched it for something else, but Armored Compartments would also be good in case you roll goddamn geth.
 

 

Thanks for the tips - I think your assessment is spot on.  Just cross-checked with the speedrun thread, and sure enough, the fastest shotgun run for this kit (yes, even faster than the reegar runs) is with a build/loadout almost identical to what you described, submitted just a few weeks ago by Erik The Quarian:

 

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

[afgncaap7]

I assure you, I'm just fine with a Piranha, as is anyone who knows how to point in the general direction of the enemy and use AP rounds with it. It's good, but not as good as the Raider, especially on a MM kit. Both burst and sustained DPS are lower, as well as its accuracy. You can't OHK all humanoids from cross map (indeed, it rarely OHK's anything beyond very short range). Since the nerf the only reasons to use it are lolcooldown, if you can't reload cancel, or your aim is sloppy and you need more than 1-2 shots to get the job done.

http://kalence.drupa...13N53314!F0.A.G

^That setup has enough arse to OHK any gold humanoid and any plat humanoid but the two Possessed Collectors, and from damn near anywhere on the map that has less than 1.5m of obstruction between you and the target. The Piranha can't OHK a gold possessed collector, goon or phantom at all, let alone get near killing one on plat. In practice it even has trouble with typical gold shielded mooks at all but short-mid range. Raider's sustained DPS is higher, and its burst DPS is much, much higher, especially considering it makes much better use of MM's free reload than the Piranha. It's the same story with a Tsol, except you trade some armor DPS for stability and give the Raider the ability to OHK a plat possessed trooper.

But nevermind a marksman, It's hardly a contest anywhere. I took the opportunity to disparage casters, but despite its higher weight Raider is usually better on them as well due to much higher burst DPS and the fact that getting two shots off at 200 RPM and hiding/cancelling reloads is far less disruptive of power use than waiting for 6 at 150 RPM. 
 

The only kits where the Piranha might be on par is the Destroyer (due to clip capacity) and GI (due to synergizing better with TC's damage window, and an only modest accuracy boost reducing the Raider's advantage in that regard). Otherwise, yeah, my original analysis holds true both by the numbers as well as by the more subjective factor that BOOOOM-BOOOOOOM*melon chunks everywhere* >>>>>pff-pff-pff-pff-pff-pff*enemies heads still intact for some reason*

OHK this, OHK that...blah blah blah. It's always the same story with you people. "It doesn't kill in one hit = garbage!" The Piranha is an AUTOMATIC weapon. Do you realize what automatic weapons are for? If you're looking for a OHK on a Piranha then you are doing it wrong. Tell you what buddy, lead a squad of mooks into a tight space with all of their butt-buddies and a nice big juicy atlas, blast the first chump with concussive shot, unload with your incendiary piranha, blast somebody else with concussive shot and get a zero-effort fire explosion, finish the atlas, turn around and immediately open fire on the atlas who just showed up since you didn't have to reload thanks to the piranha's larger clip, finish your current magazine, hit marksman and shred whatever's left. Use the automatic shotgun the way a damn automatic shotgun is meant to be used, then tell me how inferior it is.

Jesus H. Christ, I c​an't believe I have to explain how to use an automatic shotgun. You don't kill one target at a time with that gun, you kill your target, his buddies and whatever other meatbags are stupid enough to be anywhere near him. If you MUST kill in one hit, then you really need to question if you're as good as you think you are. I  pull out weapons like the scimitar, predator and phalanx on a regular basis and still outscore the vast majority of people I'm with that aren't the two score-whores on my friends list.

Piranha sucks because it​'s ineffective at long range? Well then I guess the Javelin's confirmed for garbage tier because it's ineffective at short range. Think long and hard before you say "But the Javelin's a sniper, why would a sniper be optimal for CQC?". Good god. Learn the intricacies of your weapon and understand that you can't use every weapon the same damn way. It's always the same with tryhards, they go on and on about crap like "Only the truly skilled and elite can master this OHK weapon." and then when they use that same breath to start complaining about missing with their precious single-shot weapon, I'm just saying "DAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKADAKKA" and killing the guy they missed, the guy that's behind them, the clown to the left of me and the joker to the right.

You remind me of one of my score​-****** buddies. He's always going on about some super-specific build he's got that lets him OHK brutes. Sure it sounds impressive, but then you realize he's talking about what is arguably the least dangerous enemy in the game. Is my point clear enough, or do I need some windex?

[JGDD]

*snip*

You're gonna blow up your omni-tool if you keep typing on it that hard.