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[Arvaarad]

I can't be the only one with absurd ways of avoiding XP, right?

My favorite "strategy" is tracking bears in Hafter's Wood, then scavenging all the rings, lustrous cotton, and bear hide they leave in their wake. It's like the herald has a deep, abiding brotherhood with bears, or is secretly a ranger. The bears chase away any loathsome fennecs that might be lurking in the shadows, and I get T2 fabric and leather without that pesky bonus XP.

On top of that, I've started figuring out which enemies can track me while I'm in stealth, and imagining it's actually an escort quest. It's not so farfetched, after all - my trials inquisitor is from the Carta, no wonder the lyrium smugglers are so friendly! The goal of the escort quest, naturally, is to introduce these fine lyrium smugglers to my friend bear. Then being shocked, shocked when the meeting descends into fisticuffs.

[PapaCharlie9]

More cruel than silly, but, don't save anyone during the Haven raid. Just run straight to the Chantry, without fighting anyone. 

 

(Also, this isn't silly either, but don't read anything, not one scrap of paper. Sure makes the first visit to Val Royeaux a quick one.)

[Arvaarad]

More cruel than silly, but, don't save anyone during the Haven raid. Just run straight to the Chantry, without fighting anyone.

(Also, this isn't silly either, but don't read anything, not one scrap of paper. Sure makes the first visit to Val Royeaux a quick one.)

Oh, how the tides change for Trial of the Fool.

Hafter's Woods = frolicking with bears! Picking flowers! Making friends! As long as they're not friends with ! over their heads!

Val Royeaux = walk softly here, for this land is a minefield

[MyKingdomCold]

It'd be crueler to watch the people in Haven burn up instead of running straight for the chantry

[Evelynne]

Permastealthed all the way through both, Champions of the Just, and In Your Heart Shall Burn. Had to toast a few mobs but you'd be surprised how well Permastealth works with a Trebuchet.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Solo in Storm Coast, get bears to chase me, lead them to the Blades of Hessarian or, off a cliff to kill them so I get the loot w/o the xp.

[berelinde]

More cruel than silly, but, don't save anyone during the Haven raid. Just run straight to the Chantry, without fighting anyone. 

 

(Also, this isn't silly either, but don't read anything, not one scrap of paper. Sure makes the first visit to Val Royeaux a quick one.)

That's what I did. Also, I wanted to avoid the XP from crafting, minimal as it is, so I used exclusively found gear. Oh, wait, you said "silly" not bloody stupid. In hindsight, I would never again attempt this trial without crafted gear. I was fighting 8th level Red Templars at 3rd level in found gear. Ouch.

[Arvaarad]

That's what I did. Also, I wanted to avoid the XP from crafting, minimal as it is, so I used exclusively found gear. Oh, wait, you said "silly" not bloody stupid. In hindsight, I would never again attempt this trial without crafted gear. I was fighting 8th level Red Templars at 3rd level in found gear. Ouch.

Good gravy.

I somehow decided in my head that I wouldn't use nug+, but buying stuff from the BE was ok because it requires mountains of gold. I'm sure Gaspard could come up with some fancy explanation about the difference between tactics and dishonor.

Anyway, I then proceeded to scrimp and save (no war table time skips) to legit buy the Grunsmann's schematic. In all of its 12k gold glory. At level 3.

In retrospect, that was silliness. Though it did give me a use for all the rings the lyrium smugglers dropped while I was collecting bear hide. And it was kind of fun, in a weird way, to hunt down every last XP-free loot chest. It felt like I was turning every map upside-down and shaking the money out of it.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well, for plain old crazy I decided to explore every inch of the maps and gain no XP at all after reaching Skyhold. Okay need cheat engine to get power to unlock the maps and, for god mode so you can just walk around and refuse to fight anything at all.

[Arvaarad]

Well, for plain old crazy I decided to explore every inch of the maps and gain no XP at all after reaching Skyhold. Okay need cheat engine to get power to unlock the maps and, for god mode so you can just walk around and refuse to fight anything at all.

Post-Skyhold, isn't there the Power for a Price guy?

[berelinde]

Well, for plain old crazy I decided to explore every inch of the maps and gain no XP at all after reaching Skyhold. Okay need cheat engine to get power to unlock the maps and, for god mode so you can just walk around and refuse to fight anything at all.

How far did you get in the game like that?

 

Now I wonder what the minimum level for completing the game might be. You have to do HLtA, WEWH, and WPHW, all of which feature unavoidable combat and hefty XP rewards, but could you beat Cory at level 12? Lower?

 

I don't know if I'd be willing to take this challenge. I start twitching if I have a single uncompleted quest, so I'd be setting myself up for a lot of discomfort. But I would be interested to read somebody else's experience with it. (I'm counting my lucky stars that nobody decided to make that an achievement. I would have to do it then just because it's there, and I wouldn't like it at all.)

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Yeah power for a price but then, that requires gold so, again w/o killing anything, that's hard to get enough of so, still need CE.

[Arvaarad]

Yeah power for a price but then, that requires gold so, again w/o killing anything, that's hard to get enough of so, still need CE.

In my ToF run, I was surprised by how much herbs and metal sell for. Combine that with war table loot and loot from enemies that kill each other, and the gold racks up really fast. It doesn't take as much flowerpicking as I imagined it would.

There's also the sometimes-cheaper option of filling requisitions by buying the raw materials at a merchant. Some requisitions require combat drops, but then some of those (spider ichor, for example) can be gotten from required combat in main story quests. And sometimes chests have the necessary loot. You can usually power through 2-3 requisitions in each map before hitting a true dead end.

[berelinde]

Heh, I got the entire 14 Power* necessary for In Hushed Whispers by doing requisitions at the Outskirts camp in the Hinterlands. I saved first and reloaded if it wasn't a geological survey. No matter what class you're playing, you get 10 onyx in the crate by Harrit, so you can get all the mats you need by farming Haven. It's a really, really boring way to gain 14 Power, but it's doable, and generates a lovely Zero XP. If you farm the sacks, too, you might be able to include the "field tents" requisition and "drakestone survey" in the rota, but you'll still want to avoid the puzzle box, the tapestries, and the prisoner cages.

 

Ah, yes, CE. If you can use it, can't you just give yourself however much power you need without bothering with buying it?

 

*IHW takes 15 power at the War Table, but you get 1 power for closing the rift in front of Redcliffe Gates.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well plain goofy is doing the bare minimum to get to Skyhold and being in there at level 3 - yes that means minimal XP in the prologue too and, that's harder than after you get to Haven.

[Arvaarad]

Heh, I got the entire 14 Power* necessary for In Hushed Whispers by doing requisitions at the Outskirts camp in the Hinterlands. I saved first and reloaded if it wasn't a geological survey. No matter what class you're playing, you get 10 onyx in the crate by Harrit, so you can get all the mats you need by farming Haven. It's a really, really boring way to gain 14 Power, but it's doable, and generates a lovely Zero XP. If you farm the sacks, too, you might be able to include the "field tents" requisition and "drakestone survey" in the rota, but you'll still want to avoid the puzzle box, the tapestries, and the prisoner cages.

Onyx is farmable anyway, there's quite a bit near the Hinterlands fortress (the place with the key to Valammar).

And I don't remember which requisition requires gems, but those are also easy to collect with no XP. They drop off of apostates (and maybe templars), so you can just creep on apostates fighting templars and collect them when they die.

[berelinde]

Yeah, I suppose about the apostates and the Inquisition Tapestries, but I don't know if I'd want to risk creeping down to Hafter's Woods for the onyx. There are way too many perceptive mabari in those parts. Not when there's a crate with 10 of them sitting right in the forge.

[Arvaarad]

Yeah, I suppose about the apostates and the Inquisition Tapestries, but I don't know if I'd want to risk creeping down to Hafter's Woods for the onyx. There are way too many perceptive mabari in those parts. Not when there's a crate with 10 of them sitting right in the forge.

 

Surprisingly, the biggest deposits of onyx are behind the fortress, in one of the few pockets of land that isn't covered in enemies. I guess they figure you earned it after sneaking past errrrrr, heroically fighting past bears, hammer-wielding warriors, and clingy lyrium smugglers.

 

The mabari aren't really a problem in that area. They're there, but they're easy to avoid, since they're mostly busy fighting other things.

 

The *&#$FU*!!@ING PERCEPTIVE FENNECS, on the other hand... I can and do strategically hide behind bears out of fear of those rot-hearted pustules of sin. Kind, sweet, good bears will chase the nasty fennecs away, and can kill them in one swipe if they're fast enough.