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[Ann'Nonnie'Mus]

If they do a new protag I'd like it with no strings attached. Meaning no returning companions/characters and keep them away from Solas and let them have their own story that legitimately ends. Solas belongs to the quizy who said they will stop or save him.

Here's a big reason why I have a problem with new protag being in Da4. EVERYONE has made it clear they believe it will be in tevinter, the inquisitor is going to be involved with tevinter in some capacity. So while I think it would be cool to be a new protag in tevinter, not for Da4. Not if, in any way, Solas' story is brought up.

You want a game that's incredibly awesome with all the resources available to it and has a new protag? Cut the links from the previous games. Not just a little, but completely. Which isn't happening anytime soon since BW has made a MAJOR plot regarding Solas. He wants to basically destroy the world. So... HOW can they just ignore that in their next game??? Just because he said, 'you have some time.' It'd be just stupid for someone to be like, 'oh.. well okay then I'll get around to preventing it in a year or two... since I got time I guess I don't need to rush things.' If someone threatened to destroy the world you bet I'd be on that immediately! Screw however much time he apparently gives you, I wouldn't just sit around while he works towards making it happen.

 

Talk about procrastination... 

[Nefla]

Not gonna happen. Bioware never allowed this level of cruelty in their games.

They never graphically showed anything at this level at least. I'd rather be killed in a straightforward way (shot, stabbed) and then have my body desecrated than what happened to Hespith. They don't have stuff like that in DA anymore though.

[DarkNova50]

For the people concerned about the Inquisitor being set back to level one as the protagonist of a new game, couldn't BioWare just copy what they did with Mass Effect 3 when you port over a Mass Effect 2 save? Have the character start out at a higer level, even if they aren't maxed anymore? It might even be enough to have them finally put in a New Game Plus mode.

[Vegeta 77]

I can understand wanting to play as a past protag again since i want to play Hawke for another game.

 

But the DA team like to do one game and done and move onto another protag this is why you should not get to attached to DA protags since you will only play them for one game. 

 

As for Quis i am glad his story done now since i find him boring and would not enjoy a trilogy with him but if you like him i understand wanting to play him again.

[Smudjygirl]

I can understand wanting to play as a past protag again since i want to play Hawke for another game.

 

But the DA team like to do one game and done and move onto another protag this is why you should not get to attached to DA protags since you will only play them for one game. 

 

As for Quis i am glad his story done now since i find him boring and would not enjoy a trilogy with him but if you like him i understand wanting to play him again.

 

You might be interested to know there are quite a few people here who did not like the Inquisitor in the main game, but came to tolerate them in Trespasser. This isn't really about liking the Inquisitor, it's about wanting their story to end. But to us, Solas' story is the Inquisitor's story and so we would like to see them again to deal with that one thing. It's not a matter of like or dislike, but more that the Inquisitor has strong motivations to go after Solas.

 

Nobody wants a trilogy with the Inquisitor, we want Solas to be dealt with by the Inquisitor. Then we would like to have a new PC with no loose ends.

 

It would be similar to Hawke and Cory. Although the connection between them pales in comparison to Inquisitor and Solas, the fact the Inquisitor had no connection to Cory meant something was lost. Pretty much everyone can agree on that. What i don't understand is why people want to carry on a formula that isn't really working. If Thedas is the protag, surely you could make more games without recycling characters and stories. Sort of like how Origins moved to 2. It had little to do with the Blight, so having Hawke worked, and the cameos were nice, but not all that important.

 

To be honest, part of the reason i believe in Inquisitor will have a fairly big presence in the next game is because you can't go with Solas. That must've been intentional. If they do have a big presence, i'd rather be controlling them.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

The more I think about this and the more of this discussion I read, the more my head hurts convinced I become of the following:

 

- It would be best if the Tevinter/Qunari plot and the Solas arc were separate games, so as to allow both the room they need to shine and be fully realized. I honestly have no idea how the two could gel together in a way that would allow for DA:Tevinter to have a clear, concise and focused narrative.

 

- This would allow for a clear cut from southern Thedas and introduction of a new Tevinter-based protagonist in DA:Tevinter, thus avoiding a lot of the narrative and budgetary headache that would come from uprooting the Inquisitor and plopping them down in the middle of a political tangle they have no stake in.

 

- This would allow for the Inquisitor to come back as the PC in the game after that and utilize what we have learned/accomplished in DA:Tevinter in order to resolve the Solas thing. 

 

On the other hand, certain facts also have to be faced:

 

- Somebody told me that supposedly Partick Weekes stated that the Solas arc will be closed in the next game. To that I say fair enough; while I may not be able to see a way of meshing the Qunari/Tevinter war and the Solas arc that would not be the storytelling equivalent of hammering a square-shaped block into a round-shaped hole, I am also not a professional video game writer. Perhaps they do manage to come up with something that would marry the two perfectly and I will look the fool (more than usual, in any event).

 

- BUT, at the same time, please consider that DA:I just ended. Literally nothing has officially been announced or confirmed so far, meaning every bit of the next to nothing we currently know about DA:Tevinter can be changed completely with no ramifications whatsoever, save for a few grumbles here on the BSN. At this point, nothing is set in stone. Not even the stone is set in stone. OR IS IT

 

- If they do go for a new protagonist in the next game, I will eat one of my many fancy hats if we are not here post DA:Tevinter final DLC release, arguing "Bring the Tevinter protagonist back! Here are reasons!"

[Smudjygirl]

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The Qunari thing is the only bit that gives me pause as to having the Inquisitor back. But even still, they have a connection and know the Qunari are planning to invade the South, and have been since the Breach opened. There is the connection between Solas and the Qunari. I think it would be cool if if you hated him you could ally with the Qun, but i doubt it as we know they don't value treaties and have either been betrayed by the Inquisition, or betrayed the Inquisition. Alternatively the Tevinter PC has a connection to the Qunari conflict, but not to Solas.

 

Weekes did indeed say Solas' story will conclude in the next game, hence why the next game is being talked about. That is literally the only thing we know, other than the potential setting of Tevinter.

 

I agree with and am not looking forward to the next protag's fanbase. I've never even thought of having a PC come back, and before Trespasser i didn't really care if the Inquisitor danced off into the sunset. I just can't think of a good reason for them to not actively participate in hunting down Solas. And i don't like when player characters return as NPC's as i have never seen it done well. And when said PC has as ambiguous a personality as the Inquisitor, it becomes much much harder to get it right.

 

So right now it seems like their options are: 1) No Inquisitor mention (which would not make sense and would make people angry) 2) Inquisitor mentioned, but not seen (same as 1, really) 3) Inquisitor mentioned and seen but cannot be controlled (could work, can't see it working) or 4) Inquisitor seen and player controlled.

 

I've been looking forward to going to Tevinter since Origins, but i feel like the Inquisitor's story is unfinished and i don't like cleaning up other people's mess. I have little doubt we will have a new PC, and i hope it is done will. However, i think people shouldn't write it off if they do decide to bring back the Inquisitor. They got some good character development in Trespasser, and i'd like to see more.

[Eivuwan]

They never graphically showed anything at this level at least. I'd rather be killed in a straightforward way (shot, stabbed) and then have my body desecrated than what happened to Hespith. They don't have stuff like that in DA anymore though.

 

Well, what I meant was that even if there is cruelty, they won't allow the player to do it. There is being immersed in a fantasy game and there is being immersed in your own sadistic psychopathic fantasies.

[Al Foley]

They never graphically showed anything at this level at least. I'd rather be killed in a straightforward way (shot, stabbed) and then have my body desecrated than what happened to Hespith. They don't have stuff like that in DA anymore though.

Wait you mean I dreamed the whole 'Red Lyrium is people' motif in Redcliffe Castle?  Crap!

[Kakistos_]

I too wish to reprise the role of the Inquisitor and even Hawke and The Warden but honestly I would prefer going into speculative Tevinter with a fresh face and new start with the license to build a new personality based on the factors and circumstances around the character. I wouldn't mind a sort of co-op where we start the game as a new character and in some parts continue as the Inquisitor.

[vbibbi]

Also awakening is Da. Not ME. And I'm pretty sure it was actually a very popular expansion.

So they've already done it once with less amounts of knowledge and resources than they have now. So can't imagine if they did it, it would turn out super badly.

I will say, I would not be opposed to a DAA style bridge between DAI and DA4 using the Inquisitor. This would be the best case scenario in still using Inky as PC. But that is not likely at all, IMO. I'm not certain how DAA was received by fans, but Bio has said that they won't do another expansion style game/DLC, because it was financially not worth it. It didn't earn enough money to invest the resources into the development.

 

Also, I don't think Solas' plot would be adequately handled in a smaller, expansion style game. That seems to be better for a main game plot.

 

And others do share it. Like I said its all perspective. Some believe the inquisitor is hinted to be in sequel as playable character and others don't. And that's based off things the inquisitor says. The inquisitor has 2 different ways of saying things, "My adventures may be over" and then "I have to go save the world again." So in my perspective it's almost like they are giving you an option to either continue as inquisitor or be a new pc. Seems that maybe they might do an awakening style game. You don't have to agree and I'm not going to ask you to, but that's what I believe their intentions were. I also get the feeling other people, who say they don't believe it, believe it to because they're on here often enough throwing out reasons why it shouldn't happen. If they were so sure of themselves why even bother?

 

I've seen countless times people saying it won't ever happen but seems like their fighting it pretty hard for being so sure.

That's all these threads will be for some time...everyone's opposing opinions. Fact is, we won't know anything more about DA4 for years, I would think, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware doesn't have good details on the game. Bioware will be focusing on MEA and the new IP for the time being, and DA will be focused on the upcoming comic series and potentially hints of a new novel.

 

So...I am posting here because...there's nothing else to talk about in the DA universe at the moment

 

For the people concerned about the Inquisitor being set back to level one as the protagonist of a new game, couldn't BioWare just copy what they did with Mass Effect 3 when you port over a Mass Effect 2 save? Have the character start out at a higer level, even if they aren't maxed anymore? It might even be enough to have them finally put in a New Game Plus mode.

This is a valid gameplay option. I personally don't think it would work well, though, because all combat encounters have to scale appropriately, and combat became boring at the higher levels of DAI for me. It became a waiting game of bringing down massive health bars with no strategy involved. In ME3, it made more sense because we're fighting Reaper ground troops and Reaper-enhanced Cerberus troops, so they would be more powered than the previous ME games.

 

You might be interested to know there are quite a few people here who did not like the Inquisitor in the main game, but came to tolerate them in Trespasser. This isn't really about liking the Inquisitor, it's about wanting their story to end. But to us, Solas' story is the Inquisitor's story and so we would like to see them again to deal with that one thing. It's not a matter of like or dislike, but more that the Inquisitor has strong motivations to go after Solas.

 

Nobody wants a trilogy with the Inquisitor, we want Solas to be dealt with by the Inquisitor. Then we would like to have a new PC with no loose ends.

 

It would be similar to Hawke and Cory. Although the connection between them pales in comparison to Inquisitor and Solas, the fact the Inquisitor had no connection to Cory meant something was lost. Pretty much everyone can agree on that. What i don't understand is why people want to carry on a formula that isn't really working. If Thedas is the protag, surely you could make more games without recycling characters and stories. Sort of like how Origins moved to 2. It had little to do with the Blight, so having Hawke worked, and the cameos were nice, but not all that important.

 

To be honest, part of the reason i believe in Inquisitor will have a fairly big presence in the next game is because you can't go with Solas. That must've been intentional. If they do have a big presence, i'd rather be controlling them.

I'm personally neutral on the Inquisitor, from the base game or through Trespasser. I don't have an issue with the idea of them returning, I just don't see it working as PC for an entire game. I just don't think it's a good enough reason for the last few minutes of an optional DLC to make up for a PC's continuing presence if people didn't care for them in the main game.

 

I also personally don't think that Solas' story is the Inquisitor's story. Perhaps if he is romanced of BFF, but that is not going to be the majority of Inquisitors, so it can't be assumed to apply to every player. Solas' story affects the whole world, not just Inky/Inquisition. He used the Inky as a pawn and it was a betrayal, but that doesn't mean the Inquisitor is the only one with a stake in stopping him.

 

For not being able to go with Solas...the Warden could only go through the eluvian with Morrigan if he romanced her. And none of the Wardens, whether they went with her or not, had further in game presence or importance.

 

The more I think about this and the more of this discussion I read, the more my head hurts convinced I become of the following:

 

- It would be best if the Tevinter/Qunari plot and the Solas arc were separate games, so as to allow both the room they need to shine and be fully realized. I honestly have no idea how the two could gel together in a way that would allow for DA:Tevinter to have a clear, concise and focused narrative.

 

- This would allow for a clear cut from southern Thedas and introduction of a new Tevinter-based protagonist in DA:Tevinter, thus avoiding a lot of the narrative and budgetary headache that would come from uprooting the Inquisitor and plopping them down in the middle of a political tangle they have no stake in.

 

- This would allow for the Inquisitor to come back as the PC in the game after that and utilize what we have learned/accomplished in DA:Tevinter in order to resolve the Solas thing. 

 

On the other hand, certain facts also have to be faced:

 

- Somebody told me that supposedly Partick Weekes stated that the Solas arc will be closed in the next game. To that I say fair enough; while I may not be able to see a way of meshing the Qunari/Tevinter war and the Solas arc that would not be the storytelling equivalent of hammering a square-shaped block into a round-shaped hole, I am also not a professional video game writer. Perhaps they do manage to come up with something that would marry the two perfectly and I will look the fool (more than usual, in any event).

 

- BUT, at the same time, please consider that DA:I just ended. Literally nothing has officially been announced or confirmed so far, meaning every bit of the next to nothing we currently know about DA:Tevinter can be changed completely with no ramifications whatsoever, save for a few grumbles here on the BSN. At this point, nothing is set in stone. Not even the stone is set in stone. OR IS IT

 

- If they do go for a new protagonist in the next game, I will eat one of my many fancy hats if we are not here post DA:Tevinter final DLC release, arguing "Bring the Tevinter protagonist back! Here are reasons!"

I agree, I would prefer Tevinter-Qunari and Solas to be separate games. It seems like a lot to pack into one game, kind of like having the Mage-Templar war, red lyrium, Corypheus, the Fade, Orlesian Civil war, ancient elven reveals, all stretched DAI too thin and didn't do justice to any one of the plots.

 

I'm curious if anyone is able to find the quote that Solas' story will be resolved in DA4. I'm not saying I don't believe it, I would just rather have the context of the quote. Because if the original idea of DA was content for 5 games, I would think that Solas would be the final Big Bad at the end of the five games. Bringing down the Veil seems an appropriate ending scenario. It could be like ME3 with the end of the Dragon Age being either bringing down the Veil or stopping it from falling but the world still being changed in some other way.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I'm curious if anyone is able to find the quote that Solas' story will be resolved in DA4. I'm not saying I don't believe it, I would just rather have the context of the quote. Because if the original idea of DA was content for 5 games, I would think that Solas would be the final Big Bad at the end of the five games. Bringing down the Veil seems an appropriate ending scenario. It could be like ME3 with the end of the Dragon Age being either bringing down the Veil or stopping it from falling but the world still being changed in some other way.

 

I'm still looking. I am 95% certain it was a tweet, but maybe it was an interview? *sighs to herself*

[Illegitimus]

 

I agree, I would prefer Tevinter-Qunari and Solas to be separate games. It seems like a lot to pack into one game, kind of like having the Mage-Templar war, red lyrium, Corypheus, the Fade, Orlesian Civil war, ancient elven reveals, all stretched DAI too thin and didn't do justice to any one of the plots.

 

I'm curious if anyone is able to find the quote that Solas' story will be resolved in DA4. I'm not saying I don't believe it, I would just rather have the context of the quote. Because if the original idea of DA was content for 5 games, I would think that Solas would be the final Big Bad at the end of the five games. Bringing down the Veil seems an appropriate ending scenario. It could be like ME3 with the end of the Dragon Age being either bringing down the Veil or stopping it from falling but the world still being changed in some other way.

 

Tevinter-Qunari isn't like Mage Templar.  When we start DA4, Tevinter and the Qunari will be fighting.  When we finish DA4, Tevinter and the Qunari will still be fighting.  It's like if you were playing a game set in 1941 in which the goal of the protagonists is to stop Fu Manchu from starting a new Ice Age by making every volcano in the world erupt simultaneously.  You may find yourself shooting it out with the Nazis or the Japanese, but you don't have to end World War II to accomplish your goal, and even if you want to end World War II, the only way to do it is to let Fu Manchu win.  With the Mage/Templar thing, you have to basically resolve it just a precondition for dealing with the real problem.  

[vbibbi]

I'm still looking. I am 95% certain it was a tweet, but maybe it was an interview? *sighs to herself*

Yeah sorry, don't worry about it if it's buried; there have been a lot of things recently based on evidence the devs have said, and at this point I don't think they are really thinking about DA4 as much as what's on their plates currently. Which is mostly MEA or new IP. I think only Patrick Weekes is currently assigned to DA?

 

Tevinter-Qunari isn't like Mage Templar.  When we start DA4, Tevinter and the Qunari will be fighting.  When we finish DA4, Tevinter and the Qunari will still be fighting.  It's like if you were playing a game set in 1941 in which the goal of the protagonists is to stop Fu Manchu from starting a new Ice Age by making every volcano in the world erupt simultaneously.  You may find yourself shooting it out with the Nazis or the Japanese, but you don't have to end World War II to accomplish your goal, and even if you want to end World War II, the only way to do it is to let Fu Manchu win.  With the Mage/Templar thing, you have to basically resolve it just a precondition for dealing with the real problem.  

Well, we don't really know that. I mean, given the nature of the binary choices we've had in the series so far yes, there will be little noticeable change to both sides at the end of DA4. Orzammar remains precarious regardless of king, the Mage Templar war happened regardless of whom we sided with in DAO or DA2.

 

But I would think Tevinter Qunari might be more similar to Mage Templar than you're thinking. Both are widespread conflicts that have been simmering for years, only occasionally reaching boiling point, and recent events we are involved in are what causes the latest overflow. Based on the epilogues of Trespasser, it does seem that mages are given more freedoms, templars are more carefully controlled, and both the Circle and the College operate as places of learning for mages. So, there is some change from the beginning of the game to its end. I think the Tevinter Qunari war will have this same "resolution" by the end of game, if only to unite against a common foe of the Veil collapsing.

[Vegeta 77]

You might be interested to know there are quite a few people here who did not like the Inquisitor in the main game, but came to tolerate them in Trespasser. This isn't really about liking the Inquisitor, it's about wanting their story to end. But to us, Solas' story is the Inquisitor's story and so we would like to see them again to deal with that one thing. It's not a matter of like or dislike, but more that the Inquisitor has strong motivations to go after Solas.

 

Nobody wants a trilogy with the Inquisitor, we want Solas to be dealt with by the Inquisitor. Then we would like to have a new PC with no loose ends.

 

It would be similar to Hawke and Cory. Although the connection between them pales in comparison to Inquisitor and Solas, the fact the Inquisitor had no connection to Cory meant something was lost. Pretty much everyone can agree on that. What i don't understand is why people want to carry on a formula that isn't really working. If Thedas is the protag, surely you could make more games without recycling characters and stories. Sort of like how Origins moved to 2. It had little to do with the Blight, so having Hawke worked, and the cameos were nice, but not all that important.

 

To be honest, part of the reason i believe in Inquisitor will have a fairly big presence in the next game is because you can't go with Solas. That must've been intentional. If they do have a big presence, i'd rather be controlling them.

You make a good point about trespasser dlc i forgot about that since i have not played it yet.

 

I understand more now about wanting to be quis because of Solas i felt the same with Hawke wanting him to be the one that beat Cory not quis and i would want Quis to be the one to deal with Solas not the other guy.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Can't multiquote, am on phone.

@ Smudjygirl - I think we have been here before I understand now what you meant by circular discussion I too have been looking forward to seeing Tevinter which, despite DA giving me protagonist whiplash, I actually think would benefit from a fresh face, but with the mess left post - Trespasser - yeah, I'm not great on cleaning other people's mess either. And I understand where you are coming from on the connection of the Qunari with Solas and I can see it, but I don't know, mixing the two together just rubs me the wrong way.

@ vbibbi - absolutely agree with what you said about lack of focus. The mage - templar war has been built up across games and books as this huge thing which, when it happened, would be like a dam bursting, but is relegated to a B - plot status in Inquisition and resolved before the end of Act One. It's not even that act's finale, as that distinction belongs to In Your Heart Shall Burn. And I would hate for the Qunari/Tevinter war to be treated in a similar manner - built up as this immense, protracted clash of drastically contrasting worldviews and governing philosophies, then unceremoniously shoved onto the backseat because we now have a world - threatening event to deal with, and if you continue to aggressively resolve your personal differences with someone when something like that happens, then you're just going to look pretty. On the one hand, this would make sense I guess because priorities, on the other - that's the easy, convenient way out. I love Bioware games - if I didn't I wouldn't be here in the first place - but they sometimes make me so frustrated over the incredible potential of their themes and plotlines not being done justice when compared to their buildup.

On another note, I actually think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Inquisitor. Like others have said, I was ready to let the Inquisitor go and let them do their thing somewhere far away while I took control of yet another Hero du Jour, but then Trespasser happened. Don't get me wrong, I think it was excellent, but I also think that one of its intended purposes was to be a farewell to the Inquisitor, who was supposed to retire from active duty at the end thereof. But what its lore bombs actually did achieve was prologue the Solas plot decidedly as the Inquisitor's mess, and make the Inquisitor actually interesting! I was over it before, but now I am more fascinated than ever to see what can be done with the character now that they actually got some development and finally have some potential in their own right. Which I don't think was the intended effect

[Ieldra]

On another note, I actually think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Inquisitor. Like others have said, I was ready to let the Inquisitor go and let them do their thing somewhere far away while I took control of yet another Hero du Jour, but then Trespasser happened. Don't get me wrong, I think it was excellent, but I also think that one of its intended purposes was to be a farewell to the Inquisitor, who was supposed to retire from active duty at the end thereof. But what its lore bombs actually did achieve was prologue the Solas plot decidedly as the Inquisitor's mess, and make the Inquisitor actually interesting! I was over it before, but now I am more fascinated than ever to see what can be done with the character now that they actually got some development and finally have some potential in their own right. Which I don't think was the intended effect

Things like this make me question the DA team's competence. I mean, how can you overlook something like this? All you need to do is listen to the Inquisitor/Solas dialogue once. If it was intended - which I doubt - then we'll see where it leads, but if it wasn't, the worst they could do now is to follow up on it and shoehorn the Inquisitor into a plot where she doesn't belong. 

 

They could've made this intentionally confusing just to keep us talking, but in that case they'd have written themselves into a corner as well because the decision can only fall one way: either the Inquisitor is protagonist or she isn't.

[Smudjygirl]

@Vbibbi  Just to clarify, when i said they will have a presence i did not means as PC, specifically. I meant we will see them or hear from them a lot (in the case of the prior i would rather be playing as them). There is a difference here between the Warden/Morrigan and Solas/Inquisitor. For one, Morrigan is completely optional, you can boot her out of the team as soon as you like. Pretty sure Solas is there from start to finish. The OGB was completely optional, Solas' plans are not. It's much easier to do stuff with Solas as the only optional thing with him is whether or not you got along. The Inquisitor knows him most of all, and so will likely be around, background or otherwise.

 

@Systems alliance  Exactly the point. The one thing both sides seem to be able to agree on is that if we are moving from game to game with new people, the last person's baggage should not be coming along for the ride

 

@Phoenix  The sad fact is that, since this is important to the fan base, unless they throw us a bone, we will be having these same 5 conversations for the next few years. Especially since neither side seems to have the slightest intention of trying to understand the other. I bet if someone outright asked we may get a reply along the lines of "spoilers". I'd be much more relieved if they just said yes or no so i can be annoyed for a year and then build myself a bridge in order to get over it.

 But i agree that i don't really want the Qunari plot to be mixed with Solas', but that has already happened. The Qun do nothing without orders, so everyone who came after the Quis and Solas were ordered to do so. They want to kill Solas so they can "enlighten" the world. Since they failed once, they will be "fake attacking" Tevinter until they see an actual opportunity. With that as a background plot, and stopping Solas as the bigger plot, i'd be okay with it. To me, the Qunari will always make more sense with a Tevinter PC so i have no real issue that plot coming to head with another PC. I would just rather the current major antagonist (Solas) with a connection to a previous protagonist (inq) be ended together. The good thing about the Qunari is they are a threat to everyone, and a friend to none. That's very different from Solas.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

@Phoenix The sad fact is that, since this is important to the fan base, unless they throw us a bone, we will be having these same 5 conversations for the next few years. Especially since neither side seems to have the slightest intention of trying to understand the other. I bet if someone outright asked we may get a reply along the lines of "spoilers". I'd be much more relieved if they just said yes or no so i can be annoyed for a year and then build myself a bridge in order to get over it.
But i agree that i don't really want the Qunari plot to be mixed with Solas', but that has already happened. The Qun do nothing without orders, so everyone who came after the Quis and Solas were ordered to do so. They want to kill Solas so they can "enlighten" the world. Since they failed once, they will be "fake attacking" Tevinter until they see an actual opportunity. With that as a background plot, and stopping Solas as the bigger plot, i'd be okay with it. To me, the Qunari will always make more sense with a Tevinter PC so i have no real issue that plot coming to head with another PC. I would just rather the current major antagonist (Solas) with a connection to a previous protagonist (inq) be ended together. The good thing about the Qunari is they are a threat to everyone, and a friend to none. That's very different from Solas.

Well, since you mentioned it I sat down and thought about a possible connection between Solas and Qunari, and came up with (i) the whole slavery thing, which Solas is opposed to on principle, coupled with (ii) the fact that a big bulk of converts are elves, because life generally sucks for them in Thedas, so they are looking for something better anywhere they can find it, which I think would rub him the wrong way, given how he reacts to Gatt during the quest Demands of the Qun. Also, magic. Also, I think I just torpedoed one of my biggest arguments in favor of "Solas does not belong in the Tevinter/Qunari conflict"

BUT! Before I dig this hole any deeper!

Needless to say, I still cannot shake the feeling that the two would not mesh well, and here is how I pull that torpedo back. The Tevinter/Qunari conflict is depicted as this protracted, horrible thing that has been going on for ages and has become more than just a war in the traditional understanding of the term (i.e. an act of violence to compel the opponent to fulfill our will). Listen to Bull talk about the atrocities of the campaign, read the codex pertaining to Seheron: "The goal is fear. The Qunari of Seheron markets must fear that everyone who serves their food is a rebel looking for a chance to slip poison onto a Qunari plate. The rebels must fear that every farmer they pass in the fields is a Ben-Hassrath spy ready to bring soldiers running. And the commoners, the peasants? They must fear everyone."

This is not war. This is a clash of cultures, of principles; a conflict between two polar opposites so intense, it goes far beyond a mere economic or political dispute. Each party seeks to achieve nothing other than the utter obliteration of its opponent, simply on the basis that they are the embodiment of everything that is an absolute anathema to their very essence, the very idea of their existence. This is nothing so simple as hatred or struggle to achieve certain political goals; this is abhorrence, and it has been fueling this clash for a very long time.

Solas, on the other hand, is a (relative) newcomer on the scene, he has few ties to anything in the plot introduced so far save for the Inquisitor, and absolutely no direct ties to that entire conflict. Throwing Solas into that delightful aggregation of every war crime imaginable ever would be like tossing a frog at a powder keg - random, odd and ultimately adding nothing to the situation other than making the audience do their best impression of a confused puppy and go "huh? what?" Not to mention that it would cheapen the whole thing, which would be an injustice bigger than any of the parties involved could muster.

But you are absolutely right - I am just repeating myself at this point. I should probably stop posting in this thread if all I do is ramble like a broken record Thanks for putting up with me thus far, by the way, I have been genuinely enjoying this discussion

Also, your remark on having the same 5 conversations for the next few years made me laugh. So true. Well, at least until we get an official announcement/confirmation. Until then - broken record it is

[Andreas Amell]

All this lore and the game plan is still making one sequel after another. It's not hard to create other Dragon Age games that don't have to be interdependent on all the past results. We're now three games into the world of Thedas. Bioware can create shorter games that focus on a main but short story. After playing them the results of those games don't have to affect the main sequel. Even the real sequel doesn't need all the data from Dragon Keep. What does it matter which companion from Origins and DA2 were romanced? 

 

For fans who want to play Hawke again there should be no problem in going back to Kirkwall (desperately upgraded) and get into trouble with the old gang. What happens in Kirkwall, stays in Kirkwall. If we want to know what happened in Weisshaupt that shouldn't be a problem. We can encounter the Architect, ride a mature griffon, and fight Darkspawn without worrying about Tevinter. Just keep them short and fun.

[Nefla]

Things like this make me question the DA team's competence. I mean, how can you overlook something like this? All you need to do is listen to the Inquisitor/Solas dialogue once. If it was intended - which I doubt - then we'll see where it leads, but if it wasn't, the worst they could do now is to follow up on it and shoehorn the Inquisitor into a plot where she doesn't belong. 

 

They could've made this intentionally confusing just to keep us talking, but in that case they'd have written themselves into a corner as well because the decision can only fall one way: either the Inquisitor is protagonist or she isn't.

Trespasser pretty much divided us into two factions and now no matter what they choose, half of us are going to be upset. If they'd kept the original ending of inquisition where everything was wrapped up for the inquisitor, no one would be debating about this

[Ann'Nonnie'Mus]

Trespasser pretty much divided us into two factions and now no matter what they choose, half of us are going to be upset. If they'd kept the original ending of inquisition where everything was wrapped up for the inquisitor, no one would be debating about this

Honestly though, trespasser saved Da for me. After Da2 and DaI, both of which I didn't care too much for, I just about gave up hope on them making a game that could really capture my interest. Trespasser did that. So, despite the fact that I might end up disappointed if they don't pick to continue with quizy, I'm pretty much sold on the next game. Trespasser got an intense reaction from both sides and the dlc itself is amazing. Even if they go with a new protag (still hope they don't) I'm a little more confident that they can still pull it off. I'm hoping I'll still feel as emotionally invested as I was with trespasser.

 

However if they say, 'open world!' Again I may just be out automatically... cannot handle another one of their open worlds.

[BansheeOwnage]

On another note, I actually think they kind of shot themselves in the foot with the Inquisitor.

Not with the Inquisitor, but definitely with Trespasser.

 

Trespasser pretty much divided us into two factions and now no matter what they choose, half of us are going to be upset. If they'd kept the original ending of inquisition where everything was wrapped up for the inquisitor, no one would be debating about this

Right. If they are planning to bring the Inquisitor back, Trespasser makes perfect sense to me. If they never intended to, or even wanted to leave the door open, I would be utterly confused. I think that would break my faith in Bioware's writing permanently, since Weekes is the main thing keeping it from being broken already.

 

Because if that was their intention, they failed spectacularly to make it clear. As has been said before, the vast majority of people were fine with letting the Inquisitor go after the base game. If you end up with a huge chunk of players getting the opposite impression after Trespasser and you didn't intend that, that's crappy writing indeed.

[Almostfaceman]

Trespasser pretty much divided us into two factions and now no matter what they choose, half of us are going to be upset. If they'd kept the original ending of inquisition where everything was wrapped up for the inquisitor, no one would be debating about this

 

Eh, I don't think there's much of a faction on either side. I don't see anything but the usual debating of a small number of forum regulars... there's naught wrong with that but it's nothing like an ME3 ending response in energy or numbers. 

[Andreas Amell]

Eh, I don't think there's much of a faction on either side. I don't see anything but the usual debating of a small number of forum regulars... there's naught wrong with that but it's nothing like an ME3 ending response in energy or numbers. 

Yeah, the military should use those results if any of them enlist. It'll save them time in judging if they're suitable for promotion.