Eh, I don't think there's much of a faction on either side. I don't see anything but the usual debating of a small number of forum regulars... there's naught wrong with that but it's nothing like an ME3 ending response in energy or numbers.
The game hasn't even been announced yet and people are already debating lol
The game hasn't even been announced yet and people are already debating lol
And more than BSN are debating it. Reddit has loads of threads about it, and even ushi no tane had at least 1 thread on it. The latter is a forum for Harvest Moon and Rune Factory. I've even seen for and against on Tumblr and Wordpress blogs. If you only look here it's pretty much a non-issue, but it's not only being talked about here.
The game hasn't even been announced yet and people are already debating lol
That's normal.
And more than BSN are debating it. Reddit has loads of threads about it, and even ushi no tane had at least 1 thread on it. The latter is a forum for Harvest Moon and Rune Factory. I've even seen for and against on Tumblr and Wordpress blogs. If you only look here it's pretty much a non-issue, but it's not only being talked about here.
Nothing really extraordinary about any of this, either.
Nothing really extraordinary about any of this, either.
My point was that BSN is not the best example of how big or small this debate is. It goes further than here. Many fans who are on forums tend to avoid this particular one and chat elsewhere. But rather than just talking about "what do you think will be in DA4" many of the forums are specifically about Solas x Inquisitor vs Solas x New PC. That actually means something, and shows it matters to the wider fan base. Obviously that happens a lot, but the fact so many have popped up all over the place about this 1 subject shows that it is important, and had split the fan base at least a little.
My point was that BSN is not the best example of how big or small this debate is. It goes further than here. Many fans who are on forums tend to avoid this particular one and chat elsewhere. But rather than just talking about "what do you think will be in DA4" many of the forums are specifically about Solas x Inquisitor vs Solas x New PC. That actually means something, and shows it matters to the wider fan base. Obviously that happens a lot, but the fact so many have popped up all over the place about this 1 subject shows that it is important, and had split the fan base at least a little.
True. Only three things have compelled me to spend lengthy amounts of time on BSN:
1. The lacklustre ending of ME3.
2. The intolerably dull fetch-questing of DA:I.
3. Wanting to continue to play as the inquisitor following the excellent Tresspasser DLC.
And I discovered that these subjects were already being passionately debated across the internet before I turned up. So I don't think it's a case of a minority of people being interested, and the rest not; I think lots of people are interested, but only a minority bother to write about it.
My point was that BSN is not the best example of how big or small this debate is. It goes further than here. Many fans who are on forums tend to avoid this particular one and chat elsewhere. But rather than just talking about "what do you think will be in DA4" many of the forums are specifically about Solas x Inquisitor vs Solas x New PC. That actually means something, and shows it matters to the wider fan base. Obviously that happens a lot, but the fact so many have popped up all over the place about this 1 subject shows that it is important, and had split the fan base at least a little.
So as far as you can tell for the other forums, is the fanbase split down in half like it is here, or are they leaning more towards one side or the other?
So as far as you can tell for the other forums, is the fanbase split down in half like it is here, or are they leaning more towards one side or the other?
It's split in a pretty interesting way. As far as i can tell, it's pretty evenly split. Most interesting, to me, is the sheer number of "i don't particularly like the Inquisitor, but i want them to deal with Solas" as opposed to the "The Inquisitor is the best GIMME GIMME GIMME" people might expect since it's happened twice before. Actually, in this, the normal "give me x back because i like them" is drowned out by those who want Solas to be defeated by Inquisitor. Surprisingly even many of the "NO to the Inquisitor" group will admit that they would like to see Solas taken down by the Inquisitor.
I may go so far as to say that the forums i have seen sway more towards wanting the Inquisitor back, but i'm hesitant to say so as i haven't seen numerical evidence of it.
The difference here is the story of the Warden and Hawke are finished and at best their connections to further games were arbitrary. There is a big number of people from many different camps who may well start a riot if Solas is KO'd by Billy Noname.
Just before anyone jumps down my throat, i am going by what i have seen, read, heard and discussed. By no way am i claiming i have the ultimate truth.
---
I decided to join in on a friendly thread i had seen. But for 2 years i merely watched. I do think there are many from either side who don;t want to comment for one reason or another, but that's why polls are good. You can just click a button and ride off on your unicorn, with no one ever knowing about it.
I can't really see the next game (assuming Solas is involved) not involving the Inquisitor in some capacity as a protagonist. Whether they do it alongside another new one who could give an outside perspective on it or as the sole protagonist again.
The only way I can see the Inquisitor not being a controlled protagonist again is if the next game doesn't involve Solas at all or if Solas ends up killing them sending him off down an unredeemable path that the new protagonist would have to try and deal with.
Like many here, I'd be severely disappointed if they reduced the Inquistor to a cameo or if Solas is dealt with by a new protagonist for the sole reason of having a new one every game. ME worked with continuity of a single character/cast imo so I don't see why it would be a problem in DA.
Yeah this is the first time I've jumped into any conversation regarding games. That's how strong of an impact trespasser had on me, I actually went through the trouble of making a a profile and adding my two-cents. I've never done this before in my life, even for games that I've liked 100x better.
Although the games don't have a set formula that needs to be broken like BW does. In my opinion they really need to scrap the new protag idea just for this one game. Because I really don't see anyway they can make it work without doing that. Not if they want an emotionally engaging story and for that story to be as remarkable as it looks like it should be. But again I am a little more confident in their ability to fix that if they decide to go with a new protag.
What I think they really need to start doing, and I cringe a bit as I write this because my next comment might anger a few, but I think they need to kind of ignore their fans a little. As I said in earlier in this thread BW tries and they try to give their fans what they want but that's also a problem. Because no matter what they do, someone is going to be upset. So I think, on this issue and a few others, it's best to ignore the fans and go with what they think is best for the story. Even if they decide to go new protag or go with quizy.
Fact is their the writers and if they spend too much time changing things to please fans their going to keep releasing games like DaI. Games that are lackluster and in dire need of improvement. I think they shouldn't feel compelled to stick with the new protag system if they feel using the quizy again works better and if they see how they can make the new protag work better than they should use that.
And I don't want them basing that decision on what's better for their resources. I want them deciding that on what makes a better story.
Yeah this is the first time I've jumped into any conversation regarding games. That's how strong of an impact trespasser had on me, I actually went through the trouble of making a a profile and adding my two-cents. I've never done this before in my life, even for games that I've liked 100x better.
Although the games don't have a set formula that needs to be broken like BW does. In my opinion they really need to scrap the new protag idea just for this one game. Because I really don't see anyway they can make it work without doing that. Not if they want an emotionally engaging story and for that story to be as remarkable as it looks like it should be. But again I am a little more confident in their ability to fix that if they decide to go with a new protag.
What I think they really need to start doing, and I cringe a bit as I write this because my next comment might anger a few, but I think they need to kind of ignore their fans a little. As I said in earlier in this thread BW tries and they try to give their fans what they want but that's also a problem. Because no matter what they do, someone is going to be upset. So I think, on this issue and a few others, it's best to ignore the fans and go with what they think is best for the story. Even if they decide to go new protag or go with quizy.
Fact is their the writers and if they spend too much time changing things to please fans their going to keep releasing games like DaI. Games that are lackluster and in dire need of improvement. I think they shouldn't feel compelled to stick with the new protag system if they feel using the quizy again works better and if they see how they can make the new protag work better than they should use that.
And I don't want them basing that decision on what's better for their resources. I want them deciding that on what makes a better story.
I agree that Bio needs to find that fine line between listening to their fans and caving into their demands at the cost of good story. And some fan feedback is valuable, but everyone is going to have a different opinion, and regardless of what they do in the next game, someone is going to be disappointed.
From a business perspective, they need to make decisions based on what makes a good story within their resources. They can't operate in a bubble and not worry about resources. And I think DAI mismanaged resources, otherwise why did the main quest line have a lack luster final quest while we have the Oasis which only serves to deposit shards?
Yep. They really need to get rid of the open world. It did nothing but hinder the game. Regardless they have the resources to either do a returning protag or a new one. So neither of these are an issue as far as resources go. That's already been proven. Like how Da has, for the most part been new protag, so there's the proof they can do a new protag. The returning protag has been proven as well. Not only by ME but also by Da with awakening where you have an option to play as the warden again. And I get that ME is a different game but it was done by the same company. So saying that a returning protag is not within their resources is just false. Its a fact they have the resources.
And in order for a new protag to work they really NEED to get rid of the open world. Because so much more will have to go into it in order to establish a connection between new protag and solas that can manage the same emotional impact as a returning quizy. I think its possible, if they get rid of the open world.
With DaI I'd bet the majority of their resources went into their open world which was wasted effort as it served little purpose other than to look pretty.
So, hopefully they get rid of it and focus more on putting that towards a great story where the areas are story based and ultimately leading to a destination like in trespasser. I don't mind an occasional side quest here and there but only if it serves to enrich the experience.
I rather Hawke come back full time.
I rather Hawke come back full time.
I actually wish that BioWare hadn't allowed us to sacrifice Hawke in Inquisition.
I'm very fond of the character and would have liked to see him/her return as protagonist in a future expansion pack or DLC, if not a full game.
I know that was always unlikely -- but now it's completely off the table. *grumbles*
And there's little point in my writing an epic fan-fic about the adventures of Hawke; people want to know what happens to their own Hawke, not mine.
P.S. Not to offend anyone who's already written about the adventures of Hawke. I'm sure your Hawke is wonderful and popular. lol
Oh, yes. What a smooth save.
What I think [BioWare] really need to start doing, and I cringe a bit as I write this because my next comment might anger a few, but I think they need to kind of ignore their fans a little. As I said in earlier in this thread BW tries and they try to give their fans what they want but that's also a problem. Because no matter what they do, someone is going to be upset. So I think, on this issue and a few others, it's best to ignore the fans and go with what they think is best for the story. Even if they decide to go new protag or go with quizy.
I agree (BioWare didn't need our input to make great games like KOTOR, Jade Empire, DA:O or ME1) ... however ...
BioWare also need to ignore (as much as they're able) their corporate financiers, who evidently use a megaphone to scream words like "Multiplayer!", "Skyrim!" and "Moar action!" in their ear.
I think the fans here often feel as though they're fighting simply to remind BioWare what their own games should be like. And I think Tresspasser proves that our passionate feedback can have a positive effect.
I agree (BioWare didn't need our input to make great games like KOTOR, Jade Empire, DA:O or ME1) ... however ...
BioWare also need to ignore (as much as they're able) their corporate financiers, who evidently use a megaphone to scream words like "Multiplayer!", "Skyrim!" and "Moar action!" in their ear.
I actually wish that BioWare hadn't allowed us to sacrifice Hawke in Inquisition.
I'm very fond of the character and would have liked to see him/her return as protagonist in a future expansion pack or DLC, if not a full game.
I know that was always unlikely -- but now it's completely off the table. *grumbles*
And there's little point in my writing an epic fan-fic about the adventures of Hawke; people want to know what happens to their own Hawke, not mine.
P.S. Not to offend anyone who's already written about the adventures of Hawke. I'm sure your Hawke is wonderful and popular. lol
Oh, yes. What a smooth save.
I see Hawke being done story-wize if you saved them from the Fade (they get a pretty good ending in Kirkwall) but if we go to Fade again they will probably show up in some form or another. I built my whole World State around the bet that Flemeth's advice for Hawke in DA2 will be coming back in some way. Though it's doubtful they will come back as anything but a minor NPC. Either way Hawke's story is done, we simply do not know the results of the Fade option.
"We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."
It says Hawke will "probably" die (not definitive) and the quest where you make that decision is after all called "Here lies the Abyss". 
I find it funny that so many people I've seen take Flemeth's quote as having to do with Hawke's death, especially in relation to "Here Lies..." considering the fact that Bioware's timeline got royally screwed when Exalted Marches got folded into DAI. I have doubts that Bioware knew the details of a game to be released in 2014 when DA2 had just come out. Especially with the "learn whether you can fly" having hopeful connotations (taking a leap and find you can fly isn't a bad thing imh:)). And then there's the fact of the last name: Hawke. If a Hawke can't fly, I have no idea what can."We stand upon the precipice of change. The world fears the inevitable plummet into the abyss. Watch for that moment... and when it comes, do not hesitate to leap. It is only when you fall that you learn whether you can fly."
It says Hawke will "probably" die (not definitive) and the quest where you make that decision is after all called "Here lies the Abyss".
I find it funny that so many people I've seen take Flemeth's quote as having to do with Hawke's death, especially in relation to "Here Lies..." considering the fact that Bioware's timeline got royally screwed when Exalted Marches got folded into DAI. I have doubts that Bioware knew the details of a game to be released in 2014 when DA2 had just come out. Especially with the "learn whether you can fly" having hopeful connotations (taking a leap and find you can fly isn't a bad thing imh:)). And then there's the fact of the last name: Hawke. If a Hawke can't fly, I have no idea what can.
You know I have my questions on this as well, cuz Sandal's prophecy seems pretty close to what Solas is attempting to do. "One Day the Magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just as they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises everyone will see". Combined with the fact that there is a theory that Hawke was meant to be a returning PC for DA:I before DA2 got iffy reviews and the fact that the Inquisitor does seem to deal with a lot of events that Hawke helped start (Mage Rebellion/Cory), I'm kind of wondering just how much of Inquisitions content was based around the events of 2?
If they really did plan this far ahead (at least some sort of basic degree) I'd be darned impressed. Though that may imply DA4 being part of this overarching story as well and perhaps will contain far bigger events in regards to Thedas than we initially thought. Not sure what I think about that...
You know I have my questions on this as well, cuz Sandal's prophecy seems pretty close to what Solas is attempting to do. "One Day the Magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just as they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises everyone will see". Combined with the fact that there is a theory that Hawke was meant to be a returning PC for DA:I before DA2 got iffy reviews and the fact that the Inquisitor does seem to deal with a lot of events that Hawke helped start (Mage Rebellion/Cory), I'm kind of wondering just how much of Inquisitions content was based around the events of 2?
If they really did plan this far ahead (at least some sort of basic degree) I'd be darned impressed. Though that may imply DA4 being part of this overarching story as well and perhaps will contain far bigger events in regards to Thedas than we initially thought. Not sure what I think about that...
I rather Hawke come back full time.
You know I have my questions on this as well, cuz Sandal's prophecy seems pretty close to what Solas is attempting to do. "One Day the Magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just as they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises everyone will see". Combined with the fact that there is a theory that Hawke was meant to be a returning PC for DA:I before DA2 got iffy reviews and the fact that the Inquisitor does seem to deal with a lot of events that Hawke helped start (Mage Rebellion/Cory), I'm kind of wondering just how much of Inquisitions content was based around the events of 2?
If they really did plan this far ahead (at least some sort of basic degree) I'd be darned impressed. Though that may imply DA4 being part of this overarching story as well and perhaps will contain far bigger events in regards to Thedas than we initially thought. Not sure what I think about that.
I'm 100% positive inquisition was meant to be for Hawke. And yes I feel they do have their plot planned for Da4. Didn't BW at one point say they were at least 3 games ahead or something to that effect? And there are several other hints such as the fact they said Hawke was to be the most important character in Da and yet we never got to that point bc Hawke wasn't popular enough. That and the fact that Inquisition started as human only and that in the game Cassandra mentions how she wanted it to be Hawke for inquisitor. Also every thing in DaI is carryover from Da2. Numerous other reasons as well but I don't feel like listing all of them off.
I'd play as Hawke again over the Inquisitor any day. Although that's not saying much. I'd play as a nug over the Inquisitor.
Who wouldn't want to play as a nug?
Who wouldn't want to play as a nug?
Retour en haut