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[Smudjygirl]

I already see the riveting gameplay: press x to defecate on the floor. Hold x to roll in it.

 

I'd play that game

[sniper_arrow]

I haven't checked the entire thread, but there's a possibility that the Inquisitor may not be in the next game. 

[Smudjygirl]

I haven't checked the entire thread, but there's a possibility that the Inquisitor may not be in the next game. 

 

True, but we have been told Solas' story will conclude in the next game, so people want the Inquisitor.

[sniper_arrow]

True, but we have been told Solas' story will conclude in the next game, so people want the Inquisitor.

 

I know, especially when it comes to Lavellan. I forgot also that they may be killed as well.

[Smudjygirl]

I know, especially when it comes to Lavellan. I forgot also that they may be killed as well.

 

I don't think there are that many Solavellen people here. I'm kinda one, but i like my Human MagexCassandra character just as much.

 

As in killed off screen? Or killed in game? Neither of those is a good idea.

[sniper_arrow]

I don't think there are that many Solavellen people here. I'm kinda one, but i like my Human MagexCassandra character just as much.

 

As in killed off screen? Or killed in game? Neither of those is a good idea.

 

Reddit and Tumblr have tons of those.

 

As for the Inquisitor dying, you can be sure Bioware will implement that choice. See HoF and Hawke. 

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

I'd play that game

I know right? the sp campaign would consist of you pursuing your destiny of becoming the nug king, then judging those brought before you and stuffing your face with cheese using your creepy, creepy hand-paws. GOTY. I'm calling it now.

On a less silly note and to stay on topic - I never romanced Solas in any of my playthroughs and I still maintain that the Inquisitor should be the one actively at the center of that issue's resolution (for reasons I repeated ad nauseum). From the various discussions here around the forum (I rarely venture out of the family - friendly, wholesome and welcoming environment that is the BSN), that seems to be the case with a good portion of people holding similar views.

[vbibbi]

 

But yeah, on topic...while the Inquisitor has the close connection to Solas and it would make sense for them to confront him directly, we have to remember that this is the company who had Hawke say "Corypheus is my problem!" and then wander off to Weisshaupt if saved in the Fade.

[Abyss108]

If the Solas storyline is included in the next game, then the Inquisitor definitely will be as well. The devs have already stated they intend to give more closure between the two. They can't do that if he/she doesn't appear in the game.

[Regan_Cousland]

Regarding nugs ...

 

I already see the riveting gameplay: press x to defecate on the floor. Hold x to roll in it.

 

And your Focus power is to act extraordinarily cute, reducing your chances of being killed instantly.

Little hearts would appear around your head and you'd make adorable snuffling noises. Any enemy who doesn't have an Evil Level of 20 or more would throw his weapon away, say, "D'awww!" and then pet you on the head.

 

That's when you can launch the "Finger Nip!" counter attack, or (because the Finger Nip counter-attack only gives you fleeting satisfaction before immediately getting you murdered) you can simply retreat to live another day -- and roll in more of your own fragrant poo.

Game of the Year, right there. I'd definitely play on Nightmare and sink two hundred hours into that. Remind me again why we don't work for BioWare? lol

[Regan_Cousland]

"People still want the inquisitor ..."
 

I know, especially when it comes to Lavellan. 

 

True. The connection between a Lavellan (especially a Lavellan lover) and Solas is arguably the strongest, but I felt compelled to create this thread and my inquisitor is a dwarf who conscripted the mages! Despite Solas and Sorelle Cadash not always seeing eye-to-eye, they came to like and respect one another enough that the ending of Tresspasser still had a profound effect on me.

Throughout that final conversation, I treated Solas with the respect and sympathy I felt he'd earned -- and then right at the end I chose my first "aggressive" response: declaring that I'd stop him, no matter the cost.

I expected his personality to shift -- expected to see traces of the villainous tyrant he would become -- but instead he said "I know" in a polite and regretful tone, and that's what really got me... That's when I knew I had to face Solas as the inquisitor, not another random PC, and the ending of the DLC only solidified that desire.

 

If the Solas storyline is included in the next game, then the Inquisitor definitely will be as well. The devs have already stated they intend to give more closure between the two. They can't do that if he/she doesn't appear in the game.

 

BioWare had the opportunity to give the inquisitor and Solas real and lasting closure at the end of Tresspasser. Instead they set-up a dramatic rivalry and made the inquisitor more interesting and dynamic than ever -- right before taking her away?

 

Andraste's-bouncy-bosom, BioWare! That's cruel. lol

[Smudjygirl]

 

But yeah, on topic...while the Inquisitor has the close connection to Solas and it would make sense for them to confront him directly, we have to remember that this is the company who had Hawke say "Corypheus is my problem!" and then wander off to Weisshaupt if saved in the Fade.

 

This is exactly the problem we will keep having for as long as this keeps up. Inquisitions story was weaker because of the recycled story of "I'm a bad guy, try and stop me", and we had no reason to care much. Killing Corypheus as Hawke would have been so much more satisfying, especially since they come along and all but vow to end him. If they do this again, reduce Solas to a recycled villain and expect lingering feelings from the Inquisitor to carry over to New PC, i will be quite upset. Especially since Solas is ALWAYS with you, he ALWAYS uses you and you ALWAYS have to say you will save him or kill him. We all have more of a reason to care about Solas than we ever did Cory. We knew he lived, but Hawke didn't. We know Solas is alive, and so does the Inquisitor.

Even leaving out the "i will stop/save you" would have made me care about Inquisitor as PC much less. I just don't get why they would set us up for a story that will be very satisfying and replace it with yet another "I shall save the world and all shall knowest my name....and after that, a holiday!"

[Ann'Nonnie'Mus]

A new protag dealing with solas is just absurd. Really hope they make inquisitor next protag because, not only would it be cool to see what they'll do about the missing arm and how it'll affect the combat system, but it just isn't going to be the same without solas/quizy confrontation. Let the new protag have a clean slate. That's the only way having a new protag will make for a good game.

I don't care if they have 2 games in tevinter in order to make everyone happy, but they shouldn't drag the solas plot into some random pc.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

This is exactly the problem we will keep having for as long as this keeps up. Inquisitions story was weaker because of the recycled story of "I'm a bad guy, try and stop me", and we had no reason to care much. Killing Corypheus as Hawke would have been so much more satisfying, especially since they come along and all but vow to end him. If they do this again, reduce Solas to a recycled villain and expect lingering feelings from the Inquisitor to carry over to New PC, i will be quite upset. Especially since Solas is ALWAYS with you, he ALWAYS uses you and you ALWAYS have to say you will save him or kill him. We all have more of a reason to care about Solas than we ever did Cory. We knew he lived, but Hawke didn't. We know Solas is alive, and so does the Inquisitor.
Even leaving out the "i will stop/save you" would have made me care about Inquisitor as PC much less. I just don't get why they would set us up for a story that will be very satisfying and replace it with yet another "I shall save the world and all shall knowest my name....and after that, a holiday!"

Well, after something like the events of a DA game, I think everybody would deserve a proper vacation (and an extended stay in a hospital pumped chock-full of heavy opiates because OUCH).

But yeah, the Hawke thing is all the more glaring if you consider that they are literally bound by blood to Corypheus, not to mention having freed an ancient monster whose capture and incarceration (of sorts) doubtlessly cost dozens of lives and broken minds. I think I would feel at least a little guilty and/or obligated to set things right after all that. Not to mention the whole mage - templar war. Varric's involvement with the Inquisition, I think, was intended to mitigate the fact that Hawke nopes out of the picture despite all this, moreso than be just fan service for people who liked him just so darn much in DA2. Still, the whole thing ended up feeling wrong.

My point is, there already is a precedent in the series to drop the protagonist who is personally connected to the antagonist and have someone completely unrelated clean up their mess, and it's not one that makes a ton of sense from the narrative perspective, the characterization of the PC or the very parameters of the conflict at hand.

I would honestly be shocked if the Inquisitor didn't take the Warden route as regards future games, to tell the truth, but in my view, this trend of disposable protagonists does nothing but hinder the full realization of certain big themes.

And yes, I absolutely agree that a clean cut would not only make some things easier and others even better, but ultimately, would those advantages be big enough to outweigh the drawbacks of contorting the plotlines and themes to accommodate a new lead dealing with issues to which the old protagonist is central? I honestly have no idea.

[mgagne]

I kindda like the idea of the next protag being a new character that works for the ex inquisitor and his/her posse in the shadows.  Throughout the game he/she'd get instructions and leads coming from 'The Man' or 'Nightingale' without ever seeing them.  Only at the end of the Solas arc should the ex Inquisitor have a scene - whether to help the Hunter (new protag) in battle or simply to confront a defeated/humiliated Fen'Harel.

 

But that is assuming DA4 will be mostly about Solas - and there's no guarantees about that.  Bioware could very well deflate that balloon like they did with the Mage/Templar war.

[Ariella]

This is exactly the problem we will keep having for as long as this keeps up. Inquisitions story was weaker because of the recycled story of "I'm a bad guy, try and stop me", and we had no reason to care much. Killing Corypheus as Hawke would have been so much more satisfying, especially since they come along and all but vow to end him. If they do this again, reduce Solas to a recycled villain and expect lingering feelings from the Inquisitor to carry over to New PC, i will be quite upset. Especially since Solas is ALWAYS with you, he ALWAYS uses you and you ALWAYS have to say you will save him or kill him. We all have more of a reason to care about Solas than we ever did Cory. We knew he lived, but Hawke didn't. We know Solas is alive, and so does the Inquisitor.
Even leaving out the "i will stop/save you" would have made me care about Inquisitor as PC much less. I just don't get why they would set us up for a story that will be very satisfying and replace it with yet another "I shall save the world and all shall knowest my name....and after that, a holiday!"

Because this has never been about one character. It's about Thedas and the Dragon Age. And I certainly wouldn't call Hawke saving the world, or having a holiday after. Hell, that was one of many complaints about DA2, that she didn't save the world, or Kirkwall.

As for Hawke and Corypheus, that's all on fan reaction from DA2. Now, the game had problems, and I'll be the first to admit that, but the backlash was terrible. I don't remember when Sith Lords (which suffered from the same 'rush it out the door' mentality as DA2) came out, screams for firing people, death threats against writers and just terribly toxicity. If Bioware brought back Hawke as the PC for DAI, especially after cancelling the DA2 expac, I can't imagine how bad the backlash would be. I mean when there were hints that we'd have a human only PC again, there were screams, a lot of which, I think, were caused by DA2's reception.

I don't understand the assumption that unless it's the Inquisitor the next game's going to suck. Now that they've cleared the decks of all the stuff they felt they needed to get out of EM and then what ideas they always had for the third game, I think things will be a little smoother. And since we don't know how everything fits together, assuming that the Inquisitor would even work in the story they want to tell is premature.

Yes, people like the idea. I don't object to it myself (though I'd rather play Hawke again. Snarky Hawke makes everything better), but I'm more than willing to accept a new character because this is about history not about one person's story.

[Smudjygirl]

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I like Hawke well enough. Obviously after the backlash of DA2 it wouldn't have been the best idea to have them come again, but that's besides the point...in a way. And even as i used Hawke, i don;t think they're the comparable to this. Cory was only slightly more related to Hawke than he was the Quis. Solas is central to the Inquisitor's story. I also was not refering specifically to DA when i said the "saving the world" bit, because almost every other game does that. The "holiday" bit is more to do with the Warden who lived, but i get why it happened there.

 

I don't think anyone is saying DA4 will suck without the Inquisitor, i certainly have never said that. We're saying what we prefer, and i think the story will be much stronger with the Inquisitor. It can work without them, but i don't think it will have as big an impact. And isn't the point of speculation to make assumptions with no real evidence? People who are saying DA4 will be about "the Qunari" are making way bigger leaps of logic than we are.

 

EDIT: I also think the "Thedas is the protag" argument is really weak, as no one would care about it without the people who populate the world.

[Al Foley]

I like Hawke well enough. Obviously after the backlash of DA2 it wouldn't have been the best idea to have them come again, but that's besides the point...in a way. And even as i used Hawke, i don;t think they're the comparable to this. Cory was only slightly more related to Hawke than he was the Quis. Solas is central to the Inquisitor's story. I also was not refering specifically to DA when i said the "saving the world" bit, because almost every other game does that. The "holiday" bit is more to do with the Warden who lived, but i get why it happened there.

 

I don't think anyone is saying DA4 will suck without the Inquisitor, i certainly have never said that. We're saying what we prefer, and i think the story will be much stronger with the Inquisitor. It can work without them, but i don't think it will have as big an impact. And isn't the point of speculation to make assumptions with no real evidence? People who are saying DA4 will be about "the Qunari" are making way bigger leaps of logic than we are.

 

EDIT: I also think the "Thedas is the protag" argument is really weak, as no one would care about it without the people who populate the world.

Thedas is not the protag, but it is the backdrop.

[Ariella]

EDIT: I also think the "Thedas is the protag" argument is really weak, as no one would care about it without the people who populate the world.

Thing is, it's not an argument. It's fact.

Of course, with Dragon Age, we’ve always been committed to providing an experience that has chapters, with new protagonists and news stories being told, because we see it as a series about a time and a place rather than an individual character.-Mike Laidlaw

http://www.gameinfor...hSVeH9I.twitter

So this is not some fan argument. It's the Devs perspective on the series.

As for caring about the world, if I may point out you have more access to different people as new PCs than you would carrying over from established ones. There are types of characters who might join the new PC rather than the Inquisitor for whatever reason, including the fact that that they want nothing to do with the Inquisitor. I can see that being especially true in Northern Thedas.

[Smudjygirl]

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Never said it was a fan argument. Doesn't matter who said it, it's non-sensical. Obviously they are omniscient in this, where as i am not. I just think it's not clever to hide behind that as a reason not to bring a protag back.

 

And very true. If they had not left so much baggage with Solas and the Inquisitor i'd embrace a new PC. Would have done so before trespasser. Thing is, they left that very ambiguous and i got hints from every side of this argument. So i hope for the Inquisitor to come back, though it's not a deal breaker if they don't. I will judge the future of the series on the next game. It can still be about Thedas and have a PC come back more.

[CardButton]

Thing is, it's not an argument. It's fact.

Of course, with Dragon Age, we’ve always been committed to providing an experience that has chapters, with new protagonists and news stories being told, because we see it as a series about a time and a place rather than an individual character.-Mike Laidlaw

http://www.gameinfor...hSVeH9I.twitter

So this is not some fan argument. It's the Devs perspective on the series.

As for caring about the world, if I may point out you have more access to different people as new PCs than you would carrying over from established ones. There are types of characters who might join the new PC rather than the Inquisitor for whatever reason, including the fact that that they want nothing to do with the Inquisitor. I can see that being especially true in Northern Thedas.

I'll agree with you on that the intended protagonist is meant to be Thedas, though I would argue that Bioware perhaps isn't doing the best job in achieving this aspiration.  Also I would probably argue that this does not exclude the possibility of a returning PC for more than 1 game if the story allows for it, it simply means that the events of DA will never solely follow the events of that single PC ... it ultimately follows the events of Thedas.  If this means that a single PC is vitally important to more than one of these big Thedas events, then they could potentially return.  This is probably why the Inquisitor's return as a PC is so important to so many people, because they do believe (based on their own experiences and Inquisitors) that the Inquisitor still has a big part to play in the events to come (especially regarding Solas). 

 

There is merit having a new PC for the sake of the implied setting of Tevinter, there is equal merit for an Inquisitor PC for the sake of the implied Antagonist of Solas.  

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Thing is, it's not an argument. It's fact.

Of course, with Dragon Age, we’ve always been committed to providing an experience that has chapters, with new protagonists and news stories being told, because we see it as a series about a time and a place rather than an individual character.-Mike Laidlaw

http://www.gameinfor...hSVeH9I.twitter

So this is not some fan argument. It's the Devs perspective on the series.

As for caring about the world, if I may point out you have more access to different people as new PCs than you would carrying over from established ones. There are types of characters who might join the new PC rather than the Inquisitor for whatever reason, including the fact that that they want nothing to do with the Inquisitor. I can see that being especially true in Northern Thedas.

I absolutely understand the argument that the DA story is the story of Thedas and not any one person. It's an interesting sentiment and one of the reasons why I am so interested in this series. I am fairly certain I am not the only one here who holds that opinion.

That being said, I also don't think the above precludes the Inquisitor's return for one more outing. They could very well come back, conclude the world's event that connects personally to them, then clear the stage for somebody else who will face their own trials, maybe even decades later. The Inquisitor returning for one more game does not mean DA would stop being the story of Thedas. Even in our own history, there are people who took part in more than one significant event in their lifetime and left their mark (or their mark left them, haha. I know, I'm sorry, I'll slap myself later). We can easily have both.

And I really hesitate bringing Final Fantasy into this conversation because (i) I never played any of the games, and (ii) what I know from various source leaves me with considerable doubt that this is a positive example, but speaking strictly in technical terms, I understand this is a series where individual installments center around different people and conflicts, but where some main characters also return for a sequel or two. Seems like it could work.

[Ariella]

I absolutely understand the argument that the DA story is the story of Thedas and not any one person. It's an interesting sentiment and one of the reasons why I am so interested in this series. I am fairly certain I am not the only one here who holds that opinion.

That being said, I also don't think the above precludes the Inquisitor's return for one more outing. They could very well come back, conclude the world's event that connects personally to them, then clear the stage for somebody else who will face their own trials, maybe even decades later. The Inquisitor returning for one more game does not mean DA would stop being the story of Thedas. Even in our own history, there are people who took part in more than one significant event in their lifetime and left their mark (or their mark left them, haha. I know, I'm sorry, I'll slap myself later). We can easily have both.

And I really hesitate bringing Final Fantasy into this conversation because (i) I never played any of the games, and (ii) what I know from various source leaves me with considerable doubt that this is a positive example, but speaking strictly in technical terms, I understand this is a series where individual installments center around different people and conflicts, but where some main characters also return for a sequel or two. Seems like it could work.

Going backward: Final Fantasy really didn't start doing direct sequels until 10, and that was because it was so popular(even 7 which is the touchstone for the series didn't get a sequel). Twelve, which was also a SP not an MMO didn't have a direct sequel, but 13 got two, supposedly because they'd left so much on the cutting room floor. What generally ties FF games together are concepts like Black and White magic (offensive and defensive) summoning, the later ones have a lot of "magitech" going on (from 6 in Japan, which was sold as 3 here in the states). So it's a yes and no kind of thing with FF since only two of an insane amount of games got true sequels. I also know there was at least one FF 7 tie in game, but I'm not sure I'd call it a sequel.

Final Fantasy does show you can sustain a franchise on different protagonists, but at the same time every mainline game has been set in a different world as well, so your mileage may very. Along with the fact JRPGs have set protagonists as a rule, thus in a lot of ways it's actually easier to write a sequel since there's a more linear path for the player to follow.

As I said earlier about the IQ, I'm not sure how popular she'd be in North Thedas right now. And there's the fact a lot of people were complaining originally that the IQ shouldn't be running around doing "fill in the blank" and this was when she was a nobody with a questionable title. I would give it twenty minutes before people rushed back here and made the same complaints with DA4 if the IQ was the protag (and some of them would probably be people advocating the IQ's return ), especially if the character started at level one again while supposedly being the most powerful person in the world. Then there's reconstructing the character without a save import, and if they tweak the system how it might translate. (ie what happens if they choose not to use a specific spec again because it just was overpowered or didn't fit as intended.)

You don't have that kind of baggage with a new PC.

[Heimdall]

There is merit having a new PC for the sake of the implied setting of Tevinter, there is equal merit for an Inquisitor PC for the sake of the implied Antagonist of Solas.  

Right, dual protagonist ftw! 

[Ariella]

Never said it was a fan argument. Doesn't matter who said it, it's non-sensical. Obviously they are omniscient in this, where as i am not. I just think it's not clever to hide behind that as a reason not to bring a protag back.

An argument implies there are two sides. In this there aren't since Bioware's not arguing the fact, they're stating it.

And I've only seen fans' argue and counter argue the merits. The Devs haven't done so to my knowledge which pretty much makes it a fan thing, though I did say in the first sentence that it was't a argument but a fact. Only used the word fan after the quote.

Right, dual protagonist ftw! 

Dual protagonist makes my head hurt. And more seriously it worries me about how much they could put into each narrative. They're aren't going to be able to do enough for both, imo, without sacrificing something because there are just too many options for the IQ and her background/sex/race, then there's the new character and its background/sex/race. As I understand it GTA V had three protagonists but they were set so there's not much branching in the way of story and background.

If they could do it without huge amounts of screaming from fans about how dull the backgrounds are or because they did some kind of limit in some way... Of course this is BSN, but honestly I'd like to keep these guys from having coronaries every time they release a game. Working at Bioware has got to be Hell on the blood pressure.