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[Regan_Cousland]

 *snip*

 

Ha. I actually looked for video of someone with that kind of voice to demonstrate what a dwarven singer might sound like, but there wasn't one I liked.

Thanks for completing my post. 

[vbibbi]

I agree, and I think we'll probably see more of those smaller but more intensive plot areas than we saw in inquisition.  It think they realize that the areas in Inquisition people liked best were those with stronger plots and more to do, not those with the most space to run around in.

 

So we'll probably still see a few larger areas, just not as aimless and with fewer collectibles (I've only gathered all the shards once and i probably will never bother again).  So more JoH.  Inquisition was their first try at building areas like that, which I think is partly why the areas tended to have diverse designs and sizes, so they could see what worked best.

 

So I don't see them making the same mistakes.

 

A case of them spreading themselves too thin across so many areas, I think (That goes for a lot of things in Inquisition actually).  That's why so many plots and quests only had codex texts with unexciting payoff.  Not all of them were bad, and I don't have a problem with reading, but something is lost when most of the quests are handled that way.  Unfortunately there was some of that in JoH, but generally the payoff was a bit better.

 

I wish they hadn't taken it to the extreme at the cost of more interesting side quests with choices, cinematics, dialogue options, and different ways to end the quest. I feel like BioWare always throws the baby out with the bathwater and swings waaay to the other side of the spectrum when they get critique on something. I wish there had been fewer maps with more of those kind of side quests and that every large area in the game tied directly into the plot rather than having plot areas completely segregated from the rest of the world and never reachable again. I also wish there had been a lot more city and less wilderness. I can't help but think back fondly on the JRPGs I used to play as a kid and a teenager and how in those games each region would have at least one fully developed town with NPCs to talk to and quests to do. I know that level of detail wouldn't be practical in a fully voiced rpg but Val Royeaux was such a disappointment, it was so tiny and there was no one to talk to and nothing to do outside of companion quests you started elsewhere.

 

Yeah, I understand where Bio is coming from with feedback from DA2 and emulating Skyrim in the hopes of that level of sales, but I find it annoying when I see people (not on this thread, just in general) say "Well DAI was a test run and now they'll have a better idea of how to implement X feature in DA4." I mean, yes games in a series are supposed to build upon each other, improve popular features, etc. But I don't think that excuses Bioware from trying to build the best game they can while they're trying new things. I don't think EA execs told them "Well these are new features we want you to implement. I know it's different, so we're not expecting them to be done well in this first game, but hopefully the next game you'll have worked out the bugs."

 

They want the current game to be as well done as possible, not a testing ground for a potential sequel. So while I hope Bio has learned from its missteps in DAI, I don't give them a free pass since they were learning these new things. They are a professional game company, they should know better than to think having multiple empty zones with one or two interactive NPCs would be well received by their fans.

 

 

 

 

It's also a stupid point. What does Solas actually know about the inquisitor compared to what the inquisitor knows about him? When this person was the inquisitor they had to act a certain way and do certain things, there were many restrictions and the inquisitor's motivations were built around stopping Corypheus, their combat strategy involved having two hands as well as the special mark. All of that has changed. Solas would expect the inquisitor to keep being polite and diplomatic and restrained and listening to everything his advisors told him to do. What he wouldn't expect is for the inquisitor to go undercover and get his hands dirty. Solas thinks he's incredibly clever but he lets his pride and emotion get the better of him time and again. He's showed us his cards in Trespasser because he assumes that the inquisitor won't be able to stop him. His pride should be his downfall.

Well, I would argue that Solas does know the Inquisitor well. In truth, the Inquisitor doesn't really know much about Solas until the very end of Trespasser, and if they don't read all of the necessary codices to guess his true identity, they are shocked at the eleventh hour reveal. They don't know anything about him that he doesn't choose to tell them, even though he's been with the Inquisition through Cory's defeat. We could even headcanon that if he's not close to the Inquisitor, he could have still spied on them in their dreams, like he does with a romanced Lavellan in the epilogue slides.

 

And I think the Inquisitor does think Solas will anticipate them going undercover and following him. That's why the option to disband or become the Divine's honor guard is presented as more resources but more likely to be infiltrated, or less resources but less likely infiltration; there is a likelihood of Solas' spies discovering the Inquisitor's operations even with precautionary measures taken. Trespasser demonstrates how well Solas knows the Inquisitor's methods and motivations, as the entire plot is playing into his hands.

 

 

Omg! Yes! I've been throwing this idea around for a few months, though I jokingly called it Dragon Age: Black Flag. A pirate centred game (with your ship as a mobile base) with a plot centred on Antiva, Rivain, the eastern Free Marches, the Feliscima Armada and fighting the Qunari would be great. The concept has a ton of potential and would allow us to visit another fascinating part of world while shaking up the gameplay a bit at the same time.

I will play this game.

[Al Foley]

Ironically enough Halo 5 has increased my desire and want to play the Inquisitor again for DA 4.  

[Snowy-Ninja]

First, the arm is gone. This is the perfect time to show what people can craft in Thedas, yes we have magic but I bet a clever dwarf can make an awesome arm for Quizzy.

 

Second I agree with you, Solas is such a personal enemy to the Inquisitor. Even if you never romanced him you had a friendship (or rivalry) with him, to pawn him off to someone else doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

 

I'd like to see two protagonists this next game. GTA 5 did it perfectly with three so it shouldn't be impossible to do it with two heros. You need not stunt the story because you can have two stories run parallel to one another before merging into one big story. I'd also love to see how the Inquisitors relationships have stood the test of time since Trespasser, it be interesting to have Love Interests to return as well as a few friends. But my god the amount of voice actors you would need is massive!

 

The only issue i have is that Bioware seem to think its a good idea to give us pointless "choose who dies this time" choices in games, I fear if the Inquisitor returns they will have to give up their life. And I'm not okay with that, really I'm not. The warden vs Hawke choice was pointless and I don't want to make another pointless choice like that again.

[Nefla]

Well, I would argue that Solas does know the Inquisitor well. In truth, the Inquisitor doesn't really know much about Solas until the very end of Trespasser, and if they don't read all of the necessary codices to guess his true identity, they are shocked at the eleventh hour reveal. They don't know anything about him that he doesn't choose to tell them, even though he's been with the Inquisition through Cory's defeat. We could even headcanon that if he's not close to the Inquisitor, he could have still spied on them in their dreams, like he does with a romanced Lavellan in the epilogue slides.

 

And I think the Inquisitor does think Solas will anticipate them going undercover and following him. That's why the option to disband or become the Divine's honor guard is presented as more resources but more likely to be infiltrated, or less resources but less likely infiltration; there is a likelihood of Solas' spies discovering the Inquisitor's operations even with precautionary measures taken. Trespasser demonstrates how well Solas knows the Inquisitor's methods and motivations, as the entire plot is playing into his hands.

Solas only knows a restricted figurehead inquisitor, he doesn't really know the inquisitor as a person or what they would do as a lone agent. The biggest thing IMO is Solas' arrogance and his determination that only his view is correct and that only the ancient elves have any merit or value. He believes that he alone knows best and is unwilling to learn from his past mistakes. He was shocked that Corypheus didn't die according to his plans. He disregards anything that doesn't fit with his own morals and view of the world such as the Qunari and Tevinter. He sees everyone including the inquisitor as dumb children stumbling around in the darkness who can be easily manipulated and cast down. He becomes visibly angry quite easily and does nothing to disguise his true personality. The inquisition didn't know he was an ancient elf (because who would be looking for that?) but it's plain as day that he's hiding something and is shifty as hell. He's not the master strategist/manipulator he sees himself as. It's one of the reasons I want to play as the inquisitor, to wipe the smug look off his face as the inquisitor outplays him.

[Gold Dragon]

Warden vs Hawke choice was likely done because of how much Hate Hawke got during DA2.

 

Since the Inquisitor is liked, I don't see Bioware repeating this choice.

[nOrio_26]

https://www.reddit.c...terview_part_3/

 

【What BioWare Did After Dragon Age 2 (The Beginning)】

They knew the broad strokes for Inquisition early on, before even starting DA2.
DA3 was cut almost in half from the original idea for its arc. They combined that with the cut DA2 expansion, which is what Inquisition is now.
DA4 will be the second half of that arc, presumably.

 

Good news， I think~

[Smudjygirl]

 

 

I hope so. And that actually gives more hope than it should.

 

But you never know, with a new writer new ideas can come. And i personally can't wait to move on from the Inquisitor, just not while Solas' story is active

[blauwvis]

I loved Trespasser but if it was supposed to leave players with the feeling of "well, the IQ's story is done, time to put him/her out to pasture and move on to a new protagonist," then it was a miserable failure.

 

I went into it thinking that my IQ was definitely ready to fade into the series' background.

 

I came out of it thinking, "HOLY CRAP, arm or no arm, Bioware would be INSANE to bench the IQ at this point in the story!"

[Hanako Ikezawa]

https://www.reddit.c...terview_part_3/

 

【What BioWare Did After Dragon Age 2 (The Beginning)】

They knew the broad strokes for Inquisition early on, before even starting DA2.
DA3 was cut almost in half from the original idea for its arc. They combined that with the cut DA2 expansion, which is what Inquisition is now.
DA4 will be the second half of that arc, presumably.

 

Good news， I think~

I hope this means what I read it as meaning.

[Nefla]

I hope this means what I read it as meaning.

Which is what? I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Which is what? I can't brain today, I have the dumb.

If the idea for DA3 was cut in half and now goes to Inquisition and DA4, then Inquisitor is planned for both halves since they are the same story. 

[Nefla]

If the idea for DA3 was cut in half and now goes to Inquisition and DA4, then Inquisitor is planned for both halves since they are the same story. 

Ooooh. That would be great

[CardButton]

If the idea for DA3 was cut in half and now goes to Inquisition and DA4, then Inquisitor is planned for both halves since they are the same story. 

Which would mean it would be DA:I 2? That would certainly explain why DA:I wasn't called DA3.

[AresKeith]

If the idea for DA3 was cut in half and now goes to Inquisition and DA4, then Inquisitor is planned for both halves since they are the same story. 

 

Or the Inquisitor will appear in parts of the story
 

[nOrio_26]

At least the original plan: DAI+DA4=a whole story.

 

But who knows, though I thought there will be a new PC in DA4 (much more possible than Inq as the PC).

 

Still, the original plan gives us a hope.Right? XD

[AresKeith]

At least the original plan: DAI+DA4=a whole story.

 

But who knows, though I thought there will be a new PC in DA4 (much more possible than Inq as the PC).

 

Still, the original plan gives us a hope.Right? XD

 

That's still most likely the case until they confirm something

[Nefla]

That's still most likely the case until they confirm something

We all know this, but can't you let us wallow in false hope?

[d1ta]

I love my Inquisitor.. more than I love my Shepard omg I totally just said that. Never thought I'd see the day that I'd fell in love with another protag more than i love my Shep. Omg

But in all honesty... I'm sooooooooo teriffied of what they might do to my Inqui should they decide to bring her back in DA4. She already got a nice 'ending' to her story in tresspasser, so i kinda imagine her battle with solas is now more of a battle between 2 chessmasters, using the new guys as pawns on this new game. And Solas is my Lavellan's best friend. There is a great itch in trying to save the guy (and hopefully many millions other during the process...).

And another is this: should BW decide to bring the Inqui back, then they also have to account characters with LI status:
- Sera : friend/not friend/married/unmarried
- IB : loyal to inqui / loyal to qun / kadan / not kadan
- Blackwall : inquisition / grey warden / broke up / left in prison
- Cassandra : seeker / divine victoria
- Dorian : amatus / not amatus
- Cullen : lyrium free / not lyrium free / married / not married
Josephine : romance / not romance.
- Solas : vhenan / not vhenan / bff / not bff

... am I forgeting anyone else?..

Like it or not, LI issues are sensitive issues, handle it 'wrong' and it'll be like playing pinata on a hornet's nest XD. Yes I've seen ppl sugesting doing it like ME, but hoooo boy, those days.. a lot of threads of "they shaft character x" or "they screw character y" or "my protag is behaving OOC with his/her LI" and God forbid if they EVER go the Jacob path again. The horror.

Also the friend/not friend status, where I could still remember people's complaint about how shep was being 'forced' to be buddies with Garrus (talking about "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" line. And the dude is one of the popular guys)

Too much things to compute on. The return of Hawk as npc could be counted as a 'big thing' (since s/he is our protag in DA2!) But they still got it wrong, imho. Many still doesn't recognise the DAI Hawk as 'their Hawk'. And I'd hate to think about how BW will handle the 'lesser toons'.

Bring in the Inqui with an entire new cast however, the forums will still explode with questions on what happen to the previous companion? Why bother create the next game with inqui if they didn't bring the old crew back (at least partially)? Etc, etc..

Tl:dr -> honestly I love the idea of seeing my inqui again. But seeing how much work it will require and past records, I'd rather they create a new guy on a clean slate.

[Smudjygirl]

If we're being honest, people will complain how x love interest didn't show up randomly to help New PC, so they're going to get complaints about that anyway.

 

If i recall, guys were not satisfied with Cas, Josie, Dorian and Bull, so i think bringing the IQ back would be a good opportunity for the guys out there who stayed loveless because of the previous characters.

 

Secondly, romance is not and has never been a big part of these games, they've always been a nice little bonus.

 

We do know that even if the IQ came back, the rest of the cast will likely not. Because they're off doing things. But i think i would be happy doing a nice cameo quest with those who it's suitable to help.

 

There are ways to see the old characters without bringing them back as companions, the only issue is people complaining about screen time.

 

Dorian would be easy as people seem convinced he will be back.

Sera says she has been to tevinter and red jennies there.

Bull is either dead and thus not a problem, or loyal to the Quis and so would help if he heard about them being in trouble. Also he has an iffy relationship with Solas

Cassandra is one of the leaders of the Inquisition and someone Solas respects, she has a vested interest in stopping him too. So a quest where we help her could work. If divine she is no longer a love interest, even if the feelings are there. She would not be able to leave and adventure easily, so we would probably get an Alistairesque meeting of the "higher ups", maybe the Black Divine or the Archon.

Josie + Cullen are trickier since they were never active quest members, and the latter has this thing about mages.

Blackwall: Either loyal, dead, missing or a grey warden. We would probably need some differences between the loyal and grey warden routes

Solas:  Don't really need to say much here.

 

To be honest, if you're not friends with most of the cast from before they leave you if it goes too far. At that point bringing them back would be redundant as it would be a swearing match. They would probably have cut ties with the IQ as soon as they could. So the more important issue is whether you were friends or lovers, and there's not a big difference between the two.

 

If we're moving on to a new PC it would be better to have none of the other characters come back, but we know 1 is and another has a really strong chance of doing so. Regardless of what people want, a blank slate from inquisition is impossible with the current set up.

[Abyss108]

So the original plan was to have Inky deal with Solas then.

 

Definitely a good sign! 

[vbibbi]

I love my Inquisitor.. more than I love my Shepard omg I totally just said that. Never thought I'd see the day that I'd fell in love with another protag more than i love my Shep. Omg

But in all honesty... I'm sooooooooo teriffied of what they might do to my Inqui should they decide to bring her back in DA4. She already got a nice 'ending' to her story in tresspasser, so i kinda imagine her battle with solas is now more of a battle between 2 chessmasters, using the new guys as pawns on this new game. And Solas is my Lavellan's best friend. There is a great itch in trying to save the guy (and hopefully many millions other during the process...).

And another is this: should BW decide to bring the Inqui back, then they also have to account characters with LI status:
- Sera : friend/not friend/married/unmarried
- IB : loyal to inqui / loyal to qun / kadan / not kadan
- Blackwall : inquisition / grey warden / broke up / left in prison
- Cassandra : seeker / divine victoria
- Dorian : amatus / not amatus
- Cullen : lyrium free / not lyrium free / married / not married
Josephine : romance / not romance.
- Solas : vhenan / not vhenan / bff / not bff

... am I forgeting anyone else?..

Like it or not, LI issues are sensitive issues, handle it 'wrong' and it'll be like playing pinata on a hornet's nest XD. Yes I've seen ppl sugesting doing it like ME, but hoooo boy, those days.. a lot of threads of "they shaft character x" or "they screw character y" or "my protag is behaving OOC with his/her LI" and God forbid if they EVER go the Jacob path again. The horror.

Also the friend/not friend status, where I could still remember people's complaint about how shep was being 'forced' to be buddies with Garrus (talking about "There's no Shepard without Vakarian" line. And the dude is one of the popular guys)

Too much things to compute on. The return of Hawk as npc could be counted as a 'big thing' (since s/he is our protag in DA2!) But they still got it wrong, imho. Many still doesn't recognise the DAI Hawk as 'their Hawk'. And I'd hate to think about how BW will handle the 'lesser toons'.

Bring in the Inqui with an entire new cast however, the forums will still explode with questions on what happen to the previous companion? Why bother create the next game with inqui if they didn't bring the old crew back (at least partially)? Etc, etc..

Tl:dr -> honestly I love the idea of seeing my inqui again. But seeing how much work it will require and past records, I'd rather they create a new guy on a clean slate.

Yes, all good points! For everyone saying reimplementing origins/playable backgrounds into DA4, there would still be a lot of variables to factor into an Inquisitor's relationships. Yes we had Varric update us on Hawke's friends and LI, but there were less variables there, either Hawke romanced one of five people or didn't, Anders is alive or dead, and Bethany/Carver are either helping refugees from the Mage-Templar conflict or avoiding Grey Wardens. The Inquisitor has up to eight LIs with various endings to the romances, as you've mentioned, plus the friendship status of the other companions. I doubt many people want the Inquisitor to return only for DA4 to gloss over their previous relationships, even if none of the NPCs make a cameo. It will be the Hawke fiasco again.

[AEve]

 

We do know that even if the IQ came back, the rest of the cast will likely not. Because they're off doing things. But i think i would be happy doing a nice cameo quest with those who it's suitable to help.

 

 

Just wanted to say I completely agree.

 

If I want my inquisitor as protagonist in DA4, I would be annoyed to have All the ex-crew back.

Even for my LI a "simple" great cameo would suffice. I don't  want to play the inquisitor in DA4 for fan attachment to companions, I want it because there would be so many possibilities for an awesome protag' arc developement and the whole solas plot.

 

After complaints about inquisitor being boring (not my opinion but..) it would be amazing to me having already that connection with a character who became "a fallen hero" and I would LOVE a new mecha/lyrium/whatever special arm. This can become the new inquisitor particular thing as much as Hawke blood seriously.  So special & badass.

 

|Apologies for any english fault in case of!|

[vbibbi]

Just wanted to say I completely agree.

 

If I want my inquisitor as protagonist in DA4, I would be annoyed to have All the ex-crew back.

Even for my LI a "simple" great cameo would suffice. I don't  want to play the inquisitor in DA4 for fan attachment to companions, I want it because there would be so many possibilities for an awesome protag' arc developement and the whole solas plot.

 

After complaints about inquisitor being boring (not my opinion but..) it would be amazing to me having already that connection with a character who became "a fallen hero" and I would LOVE a new mecha/lyrium/whatever special arm. This can become the new inquisitor particular thing as much as Hawke blood seriously.  So special & badass.

 

|Apologies for any english fault in case of!|

Your English is great, don't apologize! Much better than the majority of native English speakers would be in a different language.

 

For me personally, Dragon Age is about more than the protagonist of a game, like Mass Effect more generally is. So I see the companions as a major part of the story, and without them, it takes something away from the protagonist's journey. It worked well enough with Hawke in DAI, as s/he is rather defeated and broken after the events of DA2 anyway, but I'm not going to lie and say I am glad we didn't see any of the DA2 companions.

 

So much of what made the Inquisitor a character was leading an organization and the Anchor. Now that those are gone, most of what we have left is their relationships with (former) companions and advisors. If DA4 is able to have a completely new character arc for the Inquisitor, what's the point of not just having a new PC to experience a new arc?

[AEve]

Your English is great, don't apologize! Much better than the majority of native English speakers would be in a different language.

 

For me personally, Dragon Age is about more than the protagonist of a game, like Mass Effect more generally is. So I see the companions as a major part of the story, and without them, it takes something away from the protagonist's journey. It worked well enough with Hawke in DAI, as s/he is rather defeated and broken after the events of DA2 anyway, but I'm not going to lie and say I am glad we didn't see any of the DA2 companions.

 

So much of what made the Inquisitor a character was leading an organization and the Anchor. Now that those are gone, most of what we have left is their relationships with (former) companions and advisors. If DA4 is able to have a completely new character arc for the Inquisitor, what's the point of not just having a new PC to experience a new arc?

 

Ha! First of all, thank you!

 

To me, Dragon Age is also much more than a main character. DA4 will surely have place in Tevinter so I'm greatly welcoming Dorian or any returning character with actual real connections to the story. Objectively the DAI whole crew can't return.

 

What did you thought of Awakening (if played) with your warden having Ogrhen I think? as only returning character in his crew ? Knowing he continues his (15'hours) journey with a whole new cast of characters ? Does it made your character less interesting, emptier ? Or maybe did you play the orlesian commander?

(I'm actually interested in your answer, the question is completely non-rhetorical. )

 

And, just saying, I never wanted the warden or Hawke to come back as main protagonist. It's just DA4, knowing Solas story will be completed, it's pretty sure the Inquisitor will intervene at some point :

I guess I'm kind of afraid of what an Inquisitor non-playable can become in cameo. A few people complain about Hawke cameo, and s/he was "stereotyped" into 3 particular personnalities. It could have been a smart move yet it didn't please everyone.(Yeah, because clearly "pleasing everyone" is a fun challenge.)

Knowing the inquisitor interact with a wheel of emotions, I doubt it can be well translated into a cameo where's the character is non playable.

That would be quite a shame to me knowing how central I place Solas/Inquisitor relationship in the game to come  .

 

Well, here's my point of view : there's indeed an new arc open for a new protagonist to discover Tevinter. As a rogue lover I would even play MAGE. Like. MAGE

And yep, I would like a sort of parallel story with the Inquisitor, who still too connected to the plot to disappear all game long (plus she disbanded in my playthrough).

At this point I don't really want to convince anyone, I, personally, would be a lot disappointed if the inquisitor weren't involved more than Hawke in Inquisition.

 

I know bioware will create new great stories I'll play anyway, so why not a new protagonist...

I just realise all the cool opportunities of the Inquisitor returning and among my favorite reasons : an evolving hero already now define by a traumatising experience you lived with her, which is now almost "written" on her body through the arm, and a very particular relationship to the antagonist. It add that depth I'm certainly looking foward to see in dragon age.

 

Maybe having two protagonists would please me the most, if well done, that's just doesn't sound very Dragon Ageish to happen anyway .

I MEAN I'm an optimistic woman *ahem* and I'd like that.

 

 DA4 would be the perfect (and certainly only) game in the franchise to do it. And having a franchise reivent itself correctly is always a great step foward in what keep the fan to come again : "foundations" you'll always know you'll find and new gameplay mechanism of that makes your experience suriprising in a good way, improvements that makes you want to come back again.

 

So! just "my two cents" ? : Dual protagonist >/= Inquisitor protagonist > New protagonist only.