but then everyone get's pissy if only some come back.
It's just more trouble than it's worth.
So treat them all the same. It worked for Mass Effect, it can work here.
Many of those cameos in ME 3 were entire missions.
A single mission featuring them is very different than the entire game. That's no more effort than writing a quest for a new random NPC. Just add a few extra lines for whether they are your LI or not.
but then everyone get's pissy if only some come back.
It's just more trouble than it's worth.
Except if the cameo is done well and does the character justice people will be fine with it. Because, in the long run, its not the LI that has people wanting the inquisitor back (unless you romanced Solas but that has specific reasons) its the plot trespasser introduced that has people wanting the inquisitor. Besides who says the inquisitor can't romance any of the new LI's? Not everyone playing DaI romanced someone. Some people don't do the romances they just want a good story. Plus people could always change it in the keep to having romanced no one.
I wish they would just tell us if the protagonist of DA4 will be the inquisitor or someone new, then we wouldn't have to argue and speculate.
Honestly, when it comes down to it, I think Hawke should have been inquisitor. Sort of wish BW stuck to their original plan as far as that goes. I think the story would have had more to it and been more effective than it turned out to be. I like the inquisitors personality better, but still felt like that story suffered somewhat with the changes they made. That's partially why I want the inquisitor back. I don't want the same thing to happen again. Everything in inquisition felt impersonal because it was literally cleaning up Hawke's mess. The mage rebellion and Corypheous... both Hawke's doing. But then trespasser happened and everything about it made me excited! Because THAT is the inquisitor's mess and it set the stage for an amazing story that will only be amazing if its the inquisitor vs. solas.
Another protag would feel the same as inquisition did for me. Impersonal and therefore very and extremely bland.
I wish they would just tell us if the protagonist of DA4 will be the inquisitor or someone new, then we wouldn't have to argue and speculate.
DA:$ would need to be confirmed first.
No Inquisitor was most boring protagonist of all 3 DA protagonist and cast of companions not much better.No, I don't want Inquisitor to return, Hawke maybe. Warden I like my warden but I think it would be to much adventure for him.
While I'd prefer a new protagonist, this is the first time I wouldn't actively object to the lead character of a Dragon Age game returning.
However, I have a horrible sinking feeling that they'd pull a Thane with the Blackwall romance, even for people who DIDN"T send him to the Wardens, and I really don't want to see that happen. (Even though my own Blackwall-romancing 'canon' Inquisitor already lost him and it makes no difference either way to me persoanlly.)
At this point, I am adamantly against playing the (ex-Inquisitor) in the next DA game. It would remind me too much of my annoyance about losing the Anchor. The only way I'd like this if I got a new magical extra to balance what we've lost - and combat abilities don't count, I want something interesting.
Also, I want to get as far away as possible from anything having to do with the Chantry. Thankfully, I vaguely recall that the DA team wants to move away from Southern Thedas and the Chantry (they mentioned both), so I am somewhat hopeful in that regard.
I don't think having the inquisitor return would realistically work at all,your a character has inspired thousands,your name has gone down in history,you are more or less a celebrity,so it would be very difficult to do just about anything,as your activities,your presence will always be noted.
It seems obvious that Solas can't be beaten down with a stick,force won't work,so in order to get the upper hand over Solas,you need to have an edge via magic item X or knowledge,either way Solas needs to be tracked and observed in order to figure out his plans.
For me the next game needs a new adventurer,a new tactic,a different pace,maybe the dawn of a new underground order,the inquisitor can be the "big boss",secretly organizing the hunt for Solas but honestly the day's of leading the pack from the front are over.
So treat them all the same. It worked for Mass Effect, it can work here.
But this isn't ME, I don't want to play ME. ME was okay (just not my type of thing, I pefer hitting things medieval styled. It feels so, so satisfying to so).
I don't want to play ME either. That doesn't mean that the way ME handled one feature couldn't be used here.
I don't want to play ME either. That doesn't mean that the way ME handled one feature couldn't be used here.
As I said in the other topic, I'm all for having the Inquisitor back as a playable character. Trespasser didn't really feel like an epilogue to me... it was more like a great season finale. I'd like to be able to actually follow the "wolf hunt" from the point of view of my Inquisitor, expand his story and also get the opportunity to give more depth to my character. There's a lot of potential for a very interesting story development (personal conflict, revenge, a former "special snowflake" who just lost his power -both magical and political-, facing a disability, facing Tevinter politics as a foreigner who is either feared or mistrusted, possibly playing as the "fallen hero"...). It'd be a real pity to throw all of that away because "new PC every game" D:
I mean, yeah, we could get a new PC too (dual protagonists might work pretty well), but completely scrapping the Inquisitor and turning him/her into another NPC/cameo? Not really what I'd like to see, with the current game foundation ;___;
I don't want to play ME either. That doesn't mean that the way ME handled one feature couldn't be used here.
A fantasy variant of Shepard is about the last thing I want - in fact, one of the very few things that would make me think of leaving the setting behind.
ME worked.....if you happened to like the protagonist's canonical features you didn't have any control of. I hated them, and I spend three games fighting against the writers in that. Having to do that again....the thought is thoroughly unpleasant, and the chances of their creating a protagonist I can like on a continuing basis are about 0.0000001%.
A fantasy variant of Shepard is about the last thing I want - in fact, one of the very few things that would make me think of leaving the setting behind.
ME worked.....if you happened to like the protagonist's canonical features you didn't have any control of. I hated them, and I spend three games fighting against the writers in that. Having to do that again....the thought is thoroughly unpleasant, and the chances of their creating a protagonist I like on a continuing basis are about 0.0000001%.
Yeah I hated Shepard too, she was utterly uninteresting to me me. I'm not really sure what that has to do with returning LIs though.
Yeah I hated Shepard too, she was utterly uninteresting to me me. I'm not really sure what that has to do with returning LIs though.
Returning LIs not so much as a returning protagonist, without which returning LIs would make no sense (and yes, Leliana is problematic in that regard).
My point was that a returning protagonist tends to accumulate canonical traits unless the writers make an extra effort to avoid that, and Bioware's typical canonical traits appear to be traits I dislike. For instance, the Inquisitor's ability to be antagonistic towards someone is very limited. I don't have a problem with that, but in a protagonist I play for three games it would become a problem. Shepard was never the brightest, but I could live with that for one game. Then through ME2 and ME3, "not the brightest" gradually turned into "utterly dumb".
My point was that a returning protagonist tends to accumulate canonical traits unless the writers make an extra effort to avoid that, and Bioware's typical canonical traits appear to be traits I dislike. For instance, the Inquisitor's ability to be antagonistic towards someone is very limited. I don't have a problem with that, but in a protagonist I play for three games it would become a problem. Shepard was never the brightest, but I could live with that for one game. Then through ME2 and ME3, "not the brightest" gradually turned into "utterly dumb".
Ah, I've never really noticed a difference with new/returning characters for things like that. If Bioware makes my character dumb, its going to annoy me whether it's a new character or old.
Just because they've messed things like that up in the past, doesn't mean they can't do better next time.
I'd also be fine with the inquisitor keeping that handicap (from a "special snowflake" to a true underdog in one fell swoop), but I can't see BioWare accommodating for it in the combat system. That's why I suggested magic as a cure-all.
The wound was generated by the magic of the anchor so it is possible that cannot be cured completly
The ending of Trespasser didn't really feel like winning; the Inquisition is neutered or disbanded, the Inquisitor loses their hand and the Anchor, and they discover they have been fooled all along by the real adversary. If that's victory, it's a fairly pyrrhic one.
So long there is Cullen it's a win win.who cares about Solas
Returning LIs not so much as a returning protagonist, without which returning LIs would make no sense (and yes, Leliana is problematic in that regard).
My point was that a returning protagonist tends to accumulate canonical traits unless the writers make an extra effort to avoid that, and Bioware's typical canonical traits appear to be traits I dislike. For instance, the Inquisitor's ability to be antagonistic towards someone is very limited. I don't have a problem with that, but in a protagonist I play for three games it would become a problem. Shepard was never the brightest, but I could live with that for one game. Then through ME2 and ME3, "not the brightest" gradually turned into "utterly dumb".
Noone here offered that you'd have to play the (former) Inquisitor for the next n games. Most of us just want to finish the Solas-Inquisitor plotline, which was introduced in the Trespasser. Hell, I too was totally content with playing a new PC until Trespasser.
After the thing with Solas is solved, I think people will be willing to let the matter with the Quizzy rest in peace and happily play a new protagonist. (Except probably some group of die-hard Inquisitor fans, but, well, here are plenty of Warden fans here who are still insist that they return in any shape or form)
Noone here offered that you'd have to play the (former) Inquisitor for the next n games. Most of us just want to finish the Solas-Inquisitor plotline, which was introduced in the Trespasser. Hell, I too was totally content with playing a new PC until Trespasser.
After the thing with Solas is solved, I think people will be willing to let the matter with the Quizzy rest in peace and happily play a new protagonist. (Except probably some group of die-hard Inquisitor fans, but, well, here are plenty of Warden fans here who are still insist that they return in any shape or form)
Exactly this.
No one wants Dragon Age to have a single protagonist like Mass Effect. We just want to finish the plotline we started with the character who is massively involved in it. Then, we can have a new protagonist for a new story set in Thedas.
I don't think this problem can be solved without significantly more characterization options in standard conversations. It wasn't such a problem with unvoiced protagonists, since with those you add the tone in your imagination, but if lines are always spoken, things like the Inquisitor being unable to be more than moderately antagonistic will always happen. Here's another example (this time, ironically, of being too primitively hostile rather than not being antagonistic enough): with Imshael, if you reject the deal, your only option is "You die, demon". That's not at all the way I'd ever envision my (main) Inquisitor to speak. Well, it's one of a few problematic scenes in a very long game, so it's not critical *now*, but the weight of such things increases disproportionately with every new scene that adds to the undesirable trait in a new game.Just because they've messed things like that up in the past, doesn't mean they can't do better next time.
I see. OK, I can understand how you might see things that way. I'm currently playing an elf rogue romancing Solas, and I already know that it will feel very odd to leave her behind after Trespasser.Noone here offered that you'd have to play the (former) Inquisitor for the next n games. Most of us just want to finish the Solas-Inquisitor plotline, which was introduced in the Trespasser. Hell, I too was totally content with playing a new PC until Trespasser.
After the thing with Solas is solved, I think people will be willing to let the matter with the Quizzy rest in peace and happily play a new protagonist. (Except probably some group of die-hard Inquisitor fans, but, well, here are plenty of Warden fans here who are still insist that they return in any shape or form)
I don't think this problem can be solved without significantly more characterization options in standard conversations. It wasn't such a problem with unvoiced protagonists, since with those you add the tone in your imagination, but if lines are always spoken, things like the Inquisitor being unable to be more than moderately antagonistic will always happen. Here's another example (this time, ironically, of being too primitively hostile rather than not being antagonistic enough): with Imshael, if you reject the deal, your only option is "You die, demon". That's not at all the way I'd ever envision my (main) Inquisitor to speak. Well, it's one of a few problematic scenes in a very long game, so it's not critical *now*, but the weight of such things increases disproportionately with every new scene that adds to the undesirable trait in a new game.
Sure, I agree, but that has nothing to do with having a new/returning character. Same problem either way.
A few issues for me.
1) How do you then put the Inquisitor back to level 1? Cause I happen to like starting out low level. The games really actually start to drag on after you become an unstoppable godlike killing machine after about level 12. If keeping the inquisitor means having to start the next game at an already high level, then no, I am certainly against it.
2) The companions. Bring back the inquisitor means we likely have to keep half of these companions around. While I am sure many won't agree with me, but this batch of companions I feel was a pretty weak offering. I have very little desire to see 75% of them ever again. So if keeping the inquisitor means that many of the companions will have to make a reappearance in place of possible new and better options, then I disagree whole-heartedly.
Here's the thing. People wanted to play the Warden again before DA2 came out. Then people wanted to play Hawke again before Inquisition. Now everyone wants to play the Inquisitor again. The pattern to me actually suggests that people are having NO problem connecting to the protagonists. Sure people have their favorites, but the new protagonist in each game clearly works.
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