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I want to play as the inquisitor again! (Activates "cloak" to reduce hostility. lol)


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That is just being unreasonably nitpicky on semantics. You can skew any language to suit an argument. If the line had been "my adventuring days are over" people would have said the Inquisitor was publicly stating that to throw Solas off their trail, but they really meant the opposite.

What I pointed out is not nitpicky semantics, but basic language. The word may is used to express possibility and contingency. It is used to leave a situation open. 

 

Ah point taken.  

 

Still, I wouldn't get our hopes up. :P There is far more evidence against the Inquisitor returning, as the protag, then them returning...as the protag.  Even Solas being the potential main antagonist for DA 4...something else I doubt highly...the narrative can work just as well with a brand new protag.  This is BioWare we're talking about.  I have faith they can pull it off.  

 

Not that I think the Inquisitor shouldn't have a role.  Especially in DA 5 where I am expecting more of Solas to pop up. 

Oh, trust me. I've been stung too many times by hoping for things so have adopted an "Always assume the worst, that way you are never disappointed" policy when it comes to Bioware games. 

 

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one involving Solas so it won't be DA5 or later. 


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It seems alot of people are fuzzy on the ending of trespasser, Ive never gotten the line about the adventuring days being over:

 

Everything about this says here we go again to me. Your Inquisitor is still shown as a figure in power, with their advisors, going after those responsible for the breach. In my opinion the original purpose of the Inquisition has not been fulfilled.



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What I pointed out is not nitpicky semantics, but basic language. The word may is used to express possibility and contingency. It is used to leave a situation open. 

 

Oh, trust me. I've been stung too many times by hoping for things so have adopted an "Always assume the worst, that way you are never disappointed" policy when it comes to Bioware games. 

 

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one involving Solas so it won't be DA5 or later. 

Interesting.  

 

And I don't think it will be a bad thing or disspointing that the Inquisitor will not be the protag in the next DA game.  As much as I love the Inquisitor and want to continue her journey BioWare has now produced three games I have liked with different protagonists.  So its not gonna be that much of an issue. 


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And I don't think it will be a bad thing or disspointing that the Inquisitor will not be the protag in the next DA game.  As much as I love the Inquisitor and want to continue her journey BioWare has now produced three games I have liked with different protagonists.  So its not gonna be that much of an issue. 

It depends on Bioware's reasoning for not continuing with the Inquisitor and/or what they do with them as an NPC for me. 


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Speaking of the Inquisitor, and actually the conspiciousness of her brings this scene to mind, and speakiing of the Doctor, wouldn't it be funny if the Quizzies role in DA 4 would essentially be to shout and wave their arms at Solas and go "LOOK AT ME I'M A TARGET" while the real protagonist does most of the work? :lol:



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Honestly if I had never heard of that statement from BioWare and had played Trespassers for the first time I would probably think that the Inquisitor is not going to be the protagonist for the next game.  Considering he/she does not just hint at not returning he says it in big bold neon letters.  "My adventuring days are over."  The only way the Inquisitor could come back with such a statement as the protag is if BioWare fundamentally alters the way DA plays...as in nothing we have ever seen before...or changes their mind and forces the Inquisitor into the narrative of the next game. 

I get writing fatigue fairly easily unfortunately, but I need to say this: You can have semantic debates about the use of the word "may" as well as the exact meaning of the word "adventuring" (which I think are important) but that wasn't my point. If I played the game without knowing about Bioware's new protagonist "rule", and my Inquisitor said "I'm going to save the world. Again." then proceeded to stab the war table, the thought that they might not be the protagonist in the next game wouldn't even cross my mind.

 

If Bioware wants a new protagonist every game, they need to write the end of the former game in a way that what I just said isn't even possible. It's sloppy otherwise.


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Interesting.  

 

And I don't think it will be a bad thing or disspointing that the Inquisitor will not be the protag in the next DA game.  As much as I love the Inquisitor and want to continue her journey BioWare has now produced three games I have liked with different protagonists.  So its not gonna be that much of an issue. 

For the hundredth time: It's not about how much we like the Inquisitor. It's about finishing a story they they deliberately framed this way, when they could have chosen not to. Sorry, but it gets frustrating when you think you're not being listened to <_< :unsure:


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I get writing fatigue fairly easily unfortunately, but I need to say this: You can have semantic debates about the use of the word "may" as well as the exact meaning of the word "adventuring" (which I think are important) but that wasn't my point. If I played the game without knowing about Bioware's new protagonist "rule", and my Inquisitor said "I'm going to save the world. Again." then proceeded to stab the war table the thought that they might not be the protagonist in the next game wouldn't even cross my mind.

 

If Bioware wants a new protagonist every game, they need to write the end of the former game in a way that what I just said isn't even possible. It's sloppy otherwise.

And I disagree.  BioWare is in the same awkward position as the people who do Star Wars becase they need to/ want to create a new protag and have the universe move on and have new heroes rise.  But yet the old heroes aren't, not likely, going to stop being heroes once they stepped up and became power players.  Sure there was a time when my Hawk, my Warden, and my Inquisitor probably would have gone off and been happy in retirement but those days are over.  They recognie their worth, so they have to be included in the story in some way.  Yet it is unreasonable to assume that they will be the protag or even important in the continuing narrative.  



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All of these things are easily resolved through the fact that Thedas is a magical land. As for Solas not being the central focus, it would just be weird as a player who knows what Solas is doing to spend most of the game mucking around with Tevinter vs. Qunari when the world is going to be destroyed.

 

When you have to rely on "they can do it with magic!" to bypass basic logic, the argument is weak. Yes there is magic in Thedas. But if magic solves everything, it's going to be a boring world that we can't relate to, because our lives have natural conflicts and consequences that we have to deal with sans magic. And if there has to be significant explanation of why the Inquisitor is using a prosthetic, magical camouflage, and is fluent in Tevinter culture, that weakens the story.

 

Players' meta knowledge of the setting should not dictate the actions or presence of characters. Should the Inquisitor have known that Corypheus wouldn't die in the Temple of Mythal because we knew he transferred bodies? Also, what is to say the timeline on Solas' plan? It could take years to enact, and he did say he wants the world in a good state before he takes down the Veil, so we could argue that he would wait until the end of a Tevinter-Qunari conflict before acting. Plus, he is vague enough in his description of what will happen if the Veil falls that we can't know that the world will be destroyed, just that it will be irrevocably changed (I am not endorsing his actions at all)

 

What I pointed out is not nitpicky semantics, but basic language. The word may is used to express possibility and contingency. It is used to leave a situation open. 

 

Oh, trust me. I've been stung too many times by hoping for things so have adopted an "Always assume the worst, that way you are never disappointed" policy when it comes to Bioware games. 

 

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one involving Solas so it won't be DA5 or later. 

No, it's semantics because "while my adventuring days may be over" I will still be working for the good of Thedas (I don't remember what the rest of the line is) does not indicate that it's questionable if adventuring is over, it's grammatically setting up the second part of the sentence. You are deliberately twisting its meaning to suit your argument.



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And I disagree.  BioWare is in the same awkward position as the people who do Star Wars becase they need to/ want to create a new protag and have the universe move on and have new heroes rise.  But yet the old heroes aren't, not likely, going to stop being heroes once they stepped up and became power players.  Sure there was a time when my Hawk, my Warden, and my Inquisitor probably would have gone off and been happy in retirement but those days are over.  They recognie their worth, so they have to be included in the story in some way.  Yet it is unreasonable to assume that they will be the protag or even important in the continuing narrative.  

I... don't really understand what you're trying to say, sorry.


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Players' meta knowledge of the setting should not dictate the actions or presence of characters.

I agree, which is why I think the idea that a new protagonist could have the option of trying to redeem Solas is ridiculous. If only the Inquisitor can try to redeem him, we should play as the Inquisitor so we have more options and a more interesting story.


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No, it's semantics because "while my adventuring days may be over" I will still be working for the good of Thedas (I don't remember what the rest of the line is) does not indicate that it's questionable if adventuring is over, it's grammatically setting up the second part of the sentence. You are deliberately twisting its meaning to suit your argument.

You have that backwards. You are the one twisting facts in an attempt to support your position. All I said was that that line according to vocabulary can go either way. How is something that can go either way supporting one side over the other? 


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I... don't really understand what you're trying to say, sorry.

I'm saying people don't just stop living, important people, when their part of the story is done.  They keep living, they keep doing things.  I don't imagine most heroes will just 'retire.'  Yet this does not automatically mean they will be the next protagonist either. 



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When you have to rely on "they can do it with magic!" to bypass basic logic, the argument is weak. Yes there is magic in Thedas. But if magic solves everything, it's going to be a boring world that we can't relate to, because our lives have natural conflicts and consequences that we have to deal with sans magic. And if there has to be significant explanation of why the Inquisitor is using a prosthetic, magical camouflage, and is fluent in Tevinter culture, that weakens the story.

 

Players' meta knowledge of the setting should not dictate the actions or presence of characters. Should the Inquisitor have known that Corypheus wouldn't die in the Temple of Mythal because we knew he transferred bodies? Also, what is to say the timeline on Solas' plan? It could take years to enact, and he did say he wants the world in a good state before he takes down the Veil, so we could argue that he would wait until the end of a Tevinter-Qunari conflict before acting. Plus, he is vague enough in his description of what will happen if the Veil falls that we can't know that the world will be destroyed, just that it will be irrevocably changed (I am not endorsing his actions at all)

 

Solas implied that it's going to happen in a few years and he is ALREADY acting on his plans. So should we try to stop him now or at the last minute? Also my magic argument is valid because there are already lots of ways that the Inquisitor can hide him/herself based on what we have in the game so far. If you're a mage you can shape-shift. If you're a rogue, you should be good at disguises. Warriors are harder, but the Inquisitor has advisors who can help with these things.



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I'm saying people don't just stop living, important people, when their part of the story is done.  They keep living, they keep doing things.  I don't imagine most heroes will just 'retire.'  Yet this does not automatically mean they will be the next protagonist either. 

Okay, that's fine. I'm not saying anyone will automatically be anything. Just saying why I think it should happen a certain way and not another.


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I'm saying people don't just stop living, important people, when their part of the story is done.  They keep living, they keep doing things.  I don't imagine most heroes will just 'retire.'  Yet this does not automatically mean they will be the next protagonist either. 

 

Which is exactly why it would have been so simple to write off the Inquisitor, they are busy in the south running their Inquisition and can't be spared.

After Trespasser now they are suddenly able to up and head to Tevinter which makes them viable to be the next protag.

 

Essentially pre-trespasser a new PC would have been much simpler. After trespasser it will make no sense if our Inquisitor miraculously disappears. (which would be better fate than a NPC in my opinion)



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Anyway, I am going to drop out of this debate because everything that needs to be said has been said by someone already. It just got a bit annoying when people start trying to paint an entire group with a single brush. It's especially annoying when the argument seems to imply that the pro-Inquisitor people are being too emotional instead of rational. I can make a lazy argument about how the pro-new PC people have no story sense, but that's neither here nor there.


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Which is exactly why it would have been so simple to write off the Inquisitor, they are busy in the south running their Inquisition and can't be spared.

After Trespasser now they are suddenly able to up and head to Tevinter which makes them viable to be the next protag.

 

Essentially pre-trespasser a new PC would have been much simpler. After trespasser it will make no sense if our Inquisitor miraculously disappears. (which would be better fate than a NPC in my opinion)

Our Inquisitor up and heading off for Tevinter is an assumption, a rather huge one given the evidence.  I imagine the Inquisitor will probably stay in the SOuth most of the time.  She already has agents up there.  Dorian.  And will likely just recruit the next protag and have them spend most of the time running around Tevinter. 


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I would also love to continue playing as the Inquisitor in a future game. When the fight against Solas escalates many questions will pop up as to why the Inquisitor has chosen to face him with the decisions made in Trespasser. Could this lead to a war against all elves? If you chose to disband the Inquisition then how will the Inquisitor get the forces needed to stop Solas? These types of questions will be best answered by having the Inquisitor brought back into the game.

 

As for how the Inquisitor can continue to be playable sans one arm I posted some ideas to that. 

 

The arm is magically replaced depending on the chosen race.

 

1. A dwarven Inquisitor is given a lyrium-based hand from the Titans. 

2. A Qunari Inquisitor is given a new hand by the Great Dragons through Reaver blood.

3. A human Inquisitor is given a new hand by the remaining Old Gods.

4. An elven Inquisitor gets a new hand from the power of Mythal. 

 

 


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Hmm... so the line "My adventuring days may be over" really does only show up if you keep the Inquisition.  Man I have been so confused about this point because people have been insisting that it's part of Trespasser, but I didn't run into it because apparently you don't get it if you disband.  Ever since that first conversation about the Inquisition's history with Mother Giselle in Haven my Inquisitor always had the intent to disbanding when the job was done or if they felt that the Inquisition was no longer optimal to finish said job.  The fact that "Trespasser" actually let me do it was great, but for my Quizzy it would have happened regardless.  Too much seeing what happens to a powerful organization when it starts worrying about self preservation to keep it around. :P

 

Does that mean that this being an argument against the Inquisitor PC for DA4 is only half right?


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I'm sure it's possible to get some sort of arm attachment to hold onto a shield or sword. It wouldn't take away the disability, as it certainly wouldn't be useable like a normal hand, but it would enable the Inquisitor to get back into combat.

 

 This thread is a clone of the other one with the name "New protagonist every game don't work with current game foundation" and with almost the same people (not too many), begging for a comeback of the inquisitor as the protagonist for a possible new DA game. The whole idea of a protagonist with one arm (missing almost an entire arm) is not only weird but it will put off too many potential players. I'm sure that if there will be a new game, there will be new adventures, new plots, hopefully better quests, new villains, new companions to choose from and new locations. If they have to go back to finish Solas arc, they can definitevely make it as subplot  and be done with it. There is so much more than the freaking Solas plot that the writers can create for a new game.

 

On top of it, the Inquisitor has been the most boring, bland, uninteresting protagonist out of the three DA games. Now he doesn't have his green glowing hand trick and one of his arms is gone. Time for retirement with a lot of free time to play hide & seek with Schizo-Sera or for a more advisory type of role.

 

Enter the new protagonist.



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Good morning, the BSN. Wow, seems like the thread has moved quite a bit.

 

What personal connection?

 

An understandable question, considering there could be some playthroughs when you go out of your way to avoid him. But even if you do not develop any relationship with Solas either way (you are neither his rival, nor friend, nor anything more than that), there are still some elements of that relationship even those who do not explore it go through regardless of their personal stance on his character, there are some invariables, such as - (i) Solas is the one whose actions resulted in the Inquisitor getting the Anchor, (ii) he is involved when you first explore its powers (closing the first few rifts), (iii) he leads you to Skyhold, thus providing you with the base of operations you will be using for most of the game, (iv) he stays in your party afterwards, even if you do not necessarily use him during the outings; I do admit this one is tenuous at best, but I suppose that even still, he does act as an observer of the goings-on, at least, (v) he triggers and prods on the events of Trespasser, which culminate with (vi) a pledge on part of the Inquisitor to take him down or redeem him, and (vii) Solas removing the mark, and the arm with it.

 

So, to sum up, it seems to me (and you are more than welcome to disagree) that the personal connection between the Inquisitor and Solas is almost a mandatory aspect of the game, the only difference being how deep that personal connection goes and what form it takes. So this is where I was coming from when putting together that initial thought.

 

So...people find the Inquisitor bland over the course of one game. Let's make them the PC of the next game and hope it makes them less bland? Because if one game's worth of character development didn't click with people, then a second one will?

 

 

Ah, fair point; I see where you are coming from.

 

Well, I see it as more of a "better late than never" situation, to be completely honest with you :D Personally, I initially did find the Inquisitor a little less tethered to the world and the story at large, and only over the course of additional playthroughs did I find ways in which to flesh them out a little more. Still, leaving so much about their character to "headcanon" is definitely not something I think should be encouraged in the future games; this is the main character we are talking about, after all, the central player in this story and the one who will ultimately resolve the primary conflict (and a whole lot of secondary and tertiary ones, all the while making personally sure the herb garden is just so dang lovely) - they should get more background than three lines of text on the Build-a-Hero screen. I heard somewhere (I do apologize for not citing the source, but I cant find it right now) that there were originally supposed to be background-specific quests in Inquisition, much like in ME1, but were cut because...reasons (personally, I blame it on cross-gen compatibility, but then again, I blame everything on cross-gen compatibility).

 

My point is - why throw the Inquisitor onto the Pile of Disposable Protagonists just on account of insufficient character development, when you can fix this particular shortcoming by fleshing them out in the next game? Besides, it is not like there would be the threat of becoming inconsistent with their established background, har har (a low blow, I know. Sorry). Better late than never, as I said above :) Also speaking of character development, to me, at least, the fact that they are missing an arm diminishes that blandness so much and makes them so much more interesting. There are places this character can be taken, ways in which it can be explored, there is so much potential here, I cannot stress enough how fascinating a prospect the Inquisitor has become. But, again, just my honest opinion and all.

 

Which, I guess you could say basically boils down to "the Inquisitor can be made retroactively interesting" :D   

 

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Also, I have thought of more reasons why the Inquisitor should come back. A short (yeah, right) elaboration thereupon follows.

 

Commit, gods-dammit - others have pointed out, particularly BansheeOwnage, that BioWare overcompensates. A little. A tiny bit. Yeah, the mood swings of that company go into greater extremes across shorter periods of time than mine and I have been accused of being bipolar :D People have reservations against a certain mechanic (see Mako, friendship-rivalry), which can be addressed by minor tweaking? ELIMINATE THE MECHANIC WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE AND REPLACE IT WITH ITS COMPLETE OPPOSITE AHAHAHAHA (probably). Then have a sit-down, a cup of coffee and think for nearly a decade, before admitting that perhaps it was not so bad after all and could be improved by some minor tweaking, which mayyyybe we should do? (see Mako, again) There is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and then there is...whatever that is. But others have said it better than I (see Banshee). So you have this protagonist, this Inquisitor, and some people are not too happy with how little fleshed out they are (which you could almost argue is an extreme over-reaction to people complaining about Hawke having a fixed background). Your options - (i) do what you always do, remove the protagonist out of the picture, level the ground, salt the earth and come up with back-breaking storytelling gymnastics as to why they are relegated to the sidelines, or (ii) commit to your sh- stuff for once. Explore. Develop. There is something that needs improvement? Do not toss it onto the pile of toys you lost interest in without a second thought, FIX IT. Improve. Evolve. Other similarly inspiring and forward thinking-sounding words. Commit to something for once, gods-dammit, and see it through.

 

I am ready for your rotten eggs and tomatoes now *opens comically small umbrella*  

 

(EDIT: haha, post 222. I feel like I should get a cookie or something. Do I get a cookie? OH NO MORE ROTTEN EGGS AAAAAGH FORGET I SAID ANYTHING)


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This thread is a clone of the other one with the name "New protagonist every game don't work with current game foundation" and with almost the same people (not too many), begging for a comeback of the inquisitor as the protagonist for a possible new DA game.


Actually there was a poll in one of these threads. It basically stabilized at 50/50 and stayed there for the entirety of the thread's life span. So no, your wrong. There are plenty of people that want the inquisitor back. Some are just more posty about it.
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(EDIT: haha, post 222. I feel like I should get a cookie or something. Do I get a cookie? OH NO MORE ROTTEN EGGS AAAAAGH FORGET I SAID ANYTHING)

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The whole idea of a protagonist with one arm (missing almost an entire arm) is not only weird but it will put off too many potential players.

Enter the new protagonist.

Just below the elbow, actually. I don't know why it would put off new players at all.


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