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[kimgoold]

It has been intimated that he/she is an extremely powerful individual, a force of nature (Wynne in Asunder).

 

One of the lies of Solas/Fen'Harel tells the inquisitor is that elven immortality isn't due to magic, but in Trespasser we learn that the creation of the Veil weakened magic and the elves began to age.

 

If Fen'Harel succeeds in tearing down the veil, magic will become stronger and the extremely powerful warden mage HoF could become as powerful as the Evanuris or more so because they are already extremely powerful before the veil falls.

 

Opinions?? 

[vertigomez]

Nah. PC mages are just overhyped.

[lynroy]

No.

[Just My Moniker]

Well, MY hof surana is a goddess, >.>

[Cobra's_back]

The warden is not coming back. If the veil comes down you will be a__ deep in demons. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Nope! You get to die with everyone else! 

 

Thanks, Solas! Love yoooooouuuuu! (you bald ******) 

[Almostfaceman]

 

 

One of the lies of Solas/Fen'Harel tells the inquisitor is that elven immortality isn't due to magic, 

 

No, the Hero of Ferelden isn't an Evanuris... seems to be a trend now. Every elf is having the theory gun aimed at them. Weird.

 

Solas didn't lie, he clearly states that for the elves "magic is as natural as breathing". You screw with their natural state, you mess up their life spans. They didn't cast spells to make themselves immortal, which was the context of the conversation. Solas has a conversation with Sera and it illuminates that there is something "more" to elves and their connection to the Fade or Beyond. This "connection" or "natural state" is also illustrated with elven Inquisitors, they can see "more" while in the Fade. 

[kimgoold]

re: Almostfaceman

 

I didn't say the HoF was or is an Evanuris but could be considered one after the veil falls due to their magical ability being increased by increased magic afterwards.  As the Evanuris were exceptionally powerful Mages. And I do think the side effects of the loss of magic could have been an unforeseen side effect, Solas even hints as much in Trespasser, but I really think he does lie a lot.

[Dai Grepher]

No, because the evanuris weren't just powerful, they were knowledgeable. Many of their high end spells are extremely complex and unlike anything seen in modern times. For example, an elf mage Hero might be able to cast the spell "Petrify" to encase an enemy in stone, but Solas can turn Viddasala to stone without even looking at her. No hand motions, no casting. Just thought. It's unknown if this works on non-Qunari, but I would caution that it does. No modern mage can do that. Mythal's compulsion, and her Dark Ritual. Both complex. So was turning into a dragon.

 

And if removing the Veil makes the Hero more powerful, then you have to remember that this would make Solas more powerful than he is right now as well.

[NeoDarke]

I'm still trying to figure out why you couldn't be a legit Dalish Mage in DA:O... Makes no real sense to me...

[Darkly Tranquil]

I'm still trying to figure out why you couldn't be a legit Dalish Mage in DA:O... Makes no real sense to me...

You can on PC with the Dalish Mage mod.

As for the reason, I think it was because they wanted players to learn about the role magic plays in Thedas through the Mage origin at the circle, and having a Dalish Mage who exists outside that system could lead to confusion in players who didn't play the Mage origin first.

[GoldenGail3]

No.

[sylvanaerie]

You can on PC with the Dalish Mage mod.

As for the reason, I think it was because they wanted players to learn about the role magic plays in Thedas through the Mage origin at the circle, and having a Dalish Mage who exists outside that system could lead to confusion in players who didn't play the Mage origin first.

 

^^This.  

 

Bioware's reasons for no Dalish mage was so the player learns about the culture/lore surrounding the Chantry/Circles/Templars in DAO.  A Dalish mage would have been outside of that experience, and for those insisting that "they could have included another origin for just the Dalish mage class" would have meant more resources spent on something only a few of the players would be trying out.  While DAO does lend itself to repeat plays, I know of some players who only played through once, or a couple of times.

 

As for "are they an Evanuri?", I believe that was pretty rare, god powerful and like only 9 of them in the elven population?  The warden isn't even close to that.

[Darkly Tranquil]

 While DAO does lend itself to repeat plays, I know of some players who only played through once, or a couple of times.

Didn't someone from Bioware say once that only about 20-25% of people who played the game actually finished it? From what I have read on various sites/forums, a pretty small percentage of players actually finish most games. The vast majority of casual gamers don't stick to a particular game long enough to grind right through it, especially long RPGs like Dragon Age. People like us, who play long games multiple times are very much the exception; we are the dedicated hardcore fans and aren't representative of the behaviour of the average player.

[NeoDarke]

You can on PC with the Dalish Mage mod.

As for the reason, I think it was because they wanted players to learn about the role magic plays in Thedas through the Mage origin at the circle, and having a Dalish Mage who exists outside that system could lead to confusion in players who didn't play the Mage origin first.

 

 

^^This.  

 

Bioware's reasons for no Dalish mage was so the player learns about the culture/lore surrounding the Chantry/Circles/Templars in DAO.  A Dalish mage would have been outside of that experience, and for those insisting that "they could have included another origin for just the Dalish mage class" would have meant more resources spent on something only a few of the players would be trying out.  While DAO does lend itself to repeat plays, I know of some players who only played through once, or a couple of times.

 

As for "are they an Evanuri?", I believe that was pretty rare, god powerful and like only 9 of them in the elven population?  The warden isn't even close to that.

Well, yeah. You can mod it. It just felt sort of jarring to me. Almost like maybe you were meant to be able to right along with a Human Commoner. But the idea was scrapped early on. And of course, you could have been a Dalish Elf in the Circle as well, but they don't even really let you go that way. Though that could have been more an oversight than anything else.

[The Lone Shadow]

While Surana is powerful even with the veil and has had tone of experience by now, they would not be anywhere near the level of the Evanuris. Evanuris were powerful enough to be considered gods and had thousands of years experience. He/she would be stronger, stronger then Amell and mage Hawke combined without the veil, but still no where near the powers of Solas or Mythal. 

[Dai Grepher]

If you're looking for a Hero who can match or beat Solas, I wouldn't look to just power up a mage to his level. Instead you should be looking for a Hero with a different skill set, since this isn't just a matter of power but techniques and abilities as well.

 

For example, a Spirit Warrior or Templar may have a better chance at defeating Solas than a mage. Or, a Bloodmage with the Power of Blood may be able to hit Solas with something that he claimed not to know about in any detail. Therefore he may not know how to counter it. A Legionnaire Scout can have 100% magic resistance due to prolonged exposure to the energy given off by raw lyrium. I think they would have the best shot at surviving any magic Solas threw at them.

 

If the Veil goes down, then this might hinder a Templar, or make it too difficult to "keep things real". But it might empower a Spirit Warrior to call on more spirits and greater power. Fade Burst does high spirit damage to Fade creatures. Maybe that would affect someone like Solas even more.

[Abyss108]

No, if the HoF was an Evanuris just because they are a powerful mage, every other powerful mage would be too once the Veil came down.

[Nixou]

Actually, I'd say that any mage powerful enough is potentially an Evanuris, regardless of race: if you look at the process that led Elven mages to be remembered as gods, it's actually very similar to what we had in real life:

 

• Powerful Mages victorious in war became elder statesmen, then royalty, then demanded -and obtained- worship.
• Powerful warlords victorious in wars become rulers, start their dynasty, and eventually come up with stuff like the Divine Right of Kings or the Mandate of Heaven or the "We are the Avatar/Reincarnation of Gods" excuse to justify religiously their bloodlines' ongoing rule.

 

The Evanuris' (Evanurises? Is there a plural form for the term) specificity being that they were immortal, which gave them time to increase their mastery of magic to civilization-shaping levels but more importantly allowed their rule to go from "leadership by victorious generals" to "rule of decadent god-kings" without going through the dynastic phase.

 

The mage Warden, mage Hawke, mage Inquisitor, already completed the first steps toward Evanuris status: they all were instrumental in winning wars they fought at the forefront (Blight, Qunari invasion, War against Corypheus), and they all achieved Elder statesman status (Arl(esa) of Amaranthine, Champion of Kirkwall, leader of the Inquisition), the only difference being that since they are mortals, none has the time to go through the long process of "ascending" to Godhood through centuries of unbroken rule.

[thats1evildude]

Can the HoF turn into a dragon? No? Well, that's what Flemeth can do, and she just holds a fragment of Mythal's soul.

In a time when magic was as natural as breathing, the Evanuris were akin to gods.

[Nixou]

In a time when magic was as natural as breathing, the Evanuris were akin to gods.

 

 

They weren't: they claimed to be, and had enough armed loyal lackeys to force everyone else to play along... Had they been as divine as they pretended, I seriously doubt that a pointy-eared Robespierre would have succeeded in demolishing their civilization by mistake

[DWareFan]

Didn't someone from Bioware say once that only about 20-25% of people who played the game actually finished it? From what I have read on various sites/forums, a pretty small percentage of players actually finish most games. The vast majority of casual gamers don't stick to a particular game long enough to grind right through it, especially long RPGs like Dragon Age. People like us, who play long games multiple times are very much the exception; we are the dedicated hardcore fans and aren't representative of the behaviour of the average player.

 

I completed it 19 times and am working on another one.  I think the numbers are not correct.  Every person I know who has played it loved it so much that they played it multiple times.

[Incantrix]

Actually, imo a Rift mage Inquis before his/her hand was cut was probably the most powerful mage in thedas (barring Solas). There's extreme power in being able to pull raw magic from the fade and since the Inquis was the only mortal mage capable of opening rifts to allow such magic,  

he was unique. Plus I'm very sure rift magic was a common thing back in the Evanuris days when the veil didn't exist.

[TK514]

No, because the Evanuris forgot more about magic while visiting the water closet than the HoF ever knew.  These people were capable of reshaping reality on an scale no modern mage could even conceive of.  They made use of, if not outright created, other dimensions.  The HoF could sometimes make it snow a little. 

 

No infusion of magic is ever going to equalize the disparity in power.  And that assumes that the HoF would change all that much, or change in a positive fashion, once the Veil came down.  It is entirely possible that they are already at their upper limit, and all that extra power floating around is of minimal use to them.  It is also entirely possible that they die along with everyone else, or that the sudden change from Veil to no-Veil drives modern mages (and everyone else) insane from trying to process the new reality.

[vbibbi]

It has been intimated that he/she is an extremely powerful individual, a force of nature (Wynne in Asunder).

 

One of the lies of Solas/Fen'Harel tells the inquisitor is that elven immortality isn't due to magic, but in Trespasser we learn that the creation of the Veil weakened magic and the elves began to age.

 

If Fen'Harel succeeds in tearing down the veil, magic will become stronger and the extremely powerful warden mage HoF could become as powerful as the Evanuris or more so because they are already extremely powerful before the veil falls.

 

Opinions?? 

This so much. Once the returning Inquisitor as playable PC in DA4 fails to stop Solas from lowering the Veil, the world as we know it will end. But from the ashes, the mage HoF will rise up and reshape the world anew, because they were a playable character and have the power of reload on their side! But not before Hawke does something silly like inadvertantly releasing the Enuvaris before even Solas can! Whoops!

 

 

/sarcasm