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[CardButton]

I know that's why they romoved the arm and it makes more sense than their past attempts

 

But to try to make it seems like Bioware has something against handicapped people is the real disgusting thing here

If this was any other person in Thedas I would agree with you, but if Bioware removed the Inquisitor's arm to get them out of active combat despite the fact that they have every advantage in the world in making a functional (if not perfect) replacement, then yeah I am making that assumption.  The arm is not a good reason to remove the Inquisitor as a potential PC and (as I stated before) an even worse one when arguing for the sake of a new PC.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You are putting words in people's mouths because again you can be a hero without being on the front line. We say the Inquisitor won't be the protagonist because that's how DA has always done it, OP of the thread made very good reasons for why

 

The only person playing the handicapped hero card is you

You're the one twisting the words of others. You are taking my use of the term hero which is referring to be the protagonist, which I even clarified, to being hero in general. At best they are reduced to a tertiary character.

 

And several others who think it would be a great story, along with all the other reasons the Inquisitor returning would be a better story than a new protagonist.

 

Neither do you outside of a slideshow that happens In the future, and cut concept art  

So infinitely more evidence than you. 

[Ardent Blossom]

I've enjoyed skimming this thread as it is not an opinion I agree with, and I'd like to understand the other side of the argument. I was previously under the impression new game=new hero, but Trespasser really threw me. Who knows what they are planning. They may not even know yet. I would have wanted a new pc next game, but since Trespasser left my Lavellan hanging AGAIN... Thanks Patrick "The Troll" Weekes. 

 

So the Inquisitor returns in DA4 with new companions completely with also having new LIs along with having old LIs write them letters or something?

 

That'll go really well with the fanbase 

I recall hearing some time back that a dev asked fans what they would think about a Dragon Age game with no LIs. I have no source...I'm just throwing it out there in case someone recalls hearing this also. Anyway...the whole LI thing isn't really an issue with a returning protagonist. Bioware handled it with Mass Effect (some of the romances better than others). You could keep up your romance from a previous game (letters and a cut scene or two) or start a new one for whatever reason. 

 

I get it, though I've been known to throw out the arm loss argument at times.  Not because I think it makes the Inquisitor an invalid, but because I think it was a very calculated move on Bioware's part to excuse the Inquisitor not being on the front line in the future.

 

The arm as a calculated move is a sick idea. Bioware is not that kind of company. Let's not forget the story the devs wrote. They Inquisitor would have died if Solas had not removed the anchor. The removal of the arm kept her/him alive. If they were sure they wanted Inky's story to end they should have let him/her die from the anchor or by being turned to stone by Elfy's "Big Magic" (note to say that like Elam from Hell on Wheels). I would have been ok with that.

 

I just hope they do what's best story-wise instead of sticking to a formula for the sake of not looking like hypocrites or caving to whichever fans scream the loudest. 

[AresKeith]

If this was any other person in Thedas I would agree with you, but if Bioware removed the Inquisitor's arm to get them out of active combat despite the fact that they have every advantage in the world in making a functional (if not perfect) replacement, then yeah I am making that assumption.  The arm is not a good reason to remove the Inquisitor as a potential PC and (as I stated before) an even worse one when arguing for the sake of a new one.  

 

The Inquisition thanks to Trespasser can potential not have every advantage in the world due to "disbanding" and nobody is arguing that as a reason for a new PC, it is a factor though

 

I recall hearing some time back that a dev asked fans what they would think about a Dragon Age game with no LIs. I have no source...I'm just throwing it out there in case someone recalls hearing this also. Anyway...the whole LI thing isn't really an issue with a returning protagonist. Bioware handled it with Mass Effect (some of the romances better than others). You could keep up your romance from a previous game (letters and a cut scene or two) or start a new one for whatever reason. 

 

I know what statement your referring to, they actually said with a new IP not with an already existing one

[Ariella]

Tammy Duckworth lost both her legs, and suffered severe damage to her right arm when the Blackhawk she was piloting was hit by an rpg in 2004.

She's now the representative to Congress from the Illinois Eight Congressional.

You don't need to take up a sword to be a hero. And not all battles to make a difference require physical confrontation.

[Heimdall]

The arm as a calculated move is a sick idea. Bioware is not that kind of company. Let's not forget the story the devs wrote. They Inquisitor would have died if Solas had not removed the anchor. The removal of the arm kept her/him alive. If they were sure they wanted Inky's story to end they should have let him/her die from the anchor or by being turned to stone by Elfy's "Big Magic" (note to say that like Elam from Hell on Wheels). I would have been ok with that.

 

I just hope they do what's best story-wise instead of sticking to a formula for the sake of not looking like hypocrites or caving to whichever fans scream the loudest. 

What?  Why is it sick to want to give a reason for why the godslaying hero isn't the primary protagonist anymore.  They made the arm a threat to the Inquisitor's life so they would have a good reason to handicap them.  It didn't have to be that way.  They could have had Solas remove the Anchor without having to take the arm if they wanted, but they made a deliberate calculated choice to take the arm.  And you think it would have been better to force their death?  Jeez.

 

News flash, every good piece of writing is calculated.

 

Says someone who is clearly hoping Bioware will cave to the demand that the Inquisitor to return on the front lines.

[Ardent Blossom]

I know what statement your referring to, they actually said with a new IP not with an already existing one

 

Thanks for clearing that up. I read a lot of things, and they often get all jumbled up.

[AresKeith]

 

You're the one twisting the words of others. You are taking my use of the term hero which is referring to be the protagonist, which I even clarified, to being hero in general. At best they are reduced to a tertiary character.

 

Ok? And considering that game mostly will be a new PC or possibly dual protag the Inquisitor will end up being a "tertiary" character

 

But let me ask you a question though, is Josephine not a hero because she's on the sideline?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tammy Duckworth lost both her legs, and suffered severe damage to her right arm when the Blackhawk she was piloting was hit by an rpg in 2004.

She's now the representative to Congress from the Illinois Eight Congressional.

You don't need to take up a sword to be a hero. And not all battles to make a difference require physical confrontation.

She's leading the representation of her district in the national arena. So if this was a story, she would be the protagonist/hero of that story and not reduced to a minor role. 

 

Ok? And considering that game mostly will be a new PC or possibly dual protag the Inquisitor will end up being a "tertiary" character

 

But let me ask you a question though, is Josephine not a hero because she's on the sideline?

She's not the hero of the story, no. She was a primary support character, just like all the other companions and advisers other than Solas who becomes the new primary antagonist. 

[AresKeith]

She's leading the representation of her district in the national arena. So if this was a story, she would be the protagonist/hero of that story and not reduced to a minor role. 

 

She's not the hero of the story, no. She was a primary support character, just like all the other companions and advisers other than Solas who becomes the new primary antagonist. 

 

You're right it's not, because DA has a new Protag for each new story

 

The Inquisitor at best can become the secondary protagonist 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You're right it's not, because DA has a new Protag for each new story

 

The Inquisitor at best can become the secondary protagonist 

It's not a new story. The story was started while the Inquisitor was the protagonist. The story has already begun. 

 

Which goes back to Bioware demoting them from being the hero because they are handicapped. They can be a hero, but they cannot be the hero.

[Super Drone]

I recall hearing some time back that a dev asked fans what they would think about a Dragon Age game with no LIs. I have no source...I'm just throwing it out there in case someone recalls hearing this also. Anyway...the whole LI thing isn't really an issue with a returning protagonist. Bioware handled it with Mass Effect (some of the romances better than others). You could keep up your romance from a previous game (letters and a cut scene or two) or start a new one for whatever reason. 

 

 

And thus split the resources for romances between 8 old romances (With even more resources spent on rabid Solasmancers) and however many new romances they come up with. Meaning there will be even less content per romance. 

 

And don't even contemplate them just not having new Romances. The fanbase will literally cause the internet to catch on fire. 

[Ariella]

She's leading the representation of her district in the national arena. So if this was a story, she would be the protagonist/hero of that story and not reduced to a minor role.

Yes, but she's no longer on the frontlines, which is the point. She's making a difference in another way.

I don't see this as any different than the IQ. Just because she's not the focus of the story, doesn't mean her contributions mean nothing. Someone has to see the big picture, and that someone can't always lead from the front. It obstructs the view.

And this is assuming she's involved at all.

[AresKeith]

Which goes back to Bioware demoting them from being the hero because they are handicapped. They can be a hero, but they cannot be the hero.

 

Nobody is being demoted, the Inquisitor is still the hero just because they possibly won't be "the hero" of the next story doesn't take away from that at all 

[Heimdall]

Which goes back to Bioware demoting them from being the hero because they are handicapped. They can be a hero sure, but they cannot be the hero. That's the problem. It's implying that you cannot be the hero of the story if you are handicapped, instead be replaced by someone else who is better than you and you be reduced to a supporting hero. 

No, its implying that you're handicapped when you're handicapped, and not as able to physically fend off hordes of evil with one good arm.  Doesn't mean they can't still do crucial and important work with their other talents.  Those talents aren't generally the focus of Bioware games, however.

 

Your interpretation is really forced.

[Ardent Blossom]

What?  Why is it sick to want to give a reason for why the godslaying hero isn't the primary protagonist anymore.  They made the arm a threat to the Inquisitor's life so they would have a good reason to handicap them.  It didn't have to be that way.  They could have had Solas remove the Anchor without having to take the arm if they wanted, but they made a deliberate calculated choice to take the arm.  And you think it would have been better to force their death?  Jeez.

 

News flash, every good piece of writing is calculated.

 

Says someone who is clearly hoping Bioware will cave to the demand that the Inquisitor to return on the front lines.

Hi friend! I clearly wasn't writing diplomatically enough for you, so I'll try again. Taking the Inquisitor out of play as a PC by giving them a Mass Effect 3 style ending is one thing (dying, becoming a god-like entity, whatever synthesis was). Using a missing left forearm as the primary justification for them not being a pc anymore is politically incorrect at the very least. It would have been a miscalculation as they will turn off a lot of their more liberal fans if they removed the arm because an amputee can't be a hero. That's all I'm saying.

 

When I wrote, "I just hope they do what's best story-wise instead of sticking to a formula for the sake of not looking like hypocrites or caving to whichever fans scream the loudest, " I don't think you got my meaning. People on both sides scream. I wasn't just referring to people in the pro-new pc camp. I hope the writers do what is best for the story. I've gotten to the point where I don't want them to listen to me or to you or anyone else who isn't creating the game. People in social media expect creators to alter their artistic vision too much these days. I have hopes, but I'm not demanding. In fact, I'm rather expecting to be disappointed. As I said before, I doubt they've made up their minds what they are going to do. It will probably come down to what they can do from a technical perspective and what their research shows will sell the best.

 

Have a wonderful day.

[Heimdall]

Hi friend! I clearly wan't writing diplomatically enough for you, so I'll try again. Taking the Inquisitor out of play as a PC by giving them a Mass Effect 3 style ending is one thing (dying, becoming a god-like entity, whatever synthesis was). Using a missing left forearm as the primary justification for them not being a pc anymore is politically incorrect at the very least. It would have been a miscalculation as they will turn off a lot of their more liberal fans if they removed the arm because an amputee can't be a hero. That's all I'm saying.

 

When I wrote:

I just hope they do what's best story-wise instead of sticking to a formula for the sake of not looking like hypocrites or caving to whichever fans scream the loudest. 

People on both sides scream. I wasn't just referring to people in the pro-new pc camp. I hope the writers do what is best for the story. I've gotten to the point where I don't want them to listen to me or to you or anyone else who isn't creating the game. People in social media expect creators to alter their artistic vision too much these days. I have hopes, but I don't demand. In fact, I'm rather expecting to be disappointed. As I said before, I doubt they'd made up their minds what they are going to do. It will probably come down to what they can do from a technical perspective and what their research shows will sell the best.

 

Have a wonderful day.

Politically incorrect?  Why?  Because they acknowledge that a handicap is a handicap?  If being a hero requires physically slaying hordes of evil, then an amputee is at a serious disadvantage.  I would hope their more liberal fans can understand that idea and that acknowledging it isn't somehow wrong.  BUT, it doesn't stop them from being heroes in other arenas.  I've repeatedly said on these forums that my ideal would be a dual protagonist system where the Inquisitor gets shorter heavy-dialogue and puzzle focused segments (Sort of like a Telltale game) featuring them leading the fight from the position of a general, rather than a grunt, making decisions that affect the new PC's quests.  I would think a story about a character adapting to their new limitations and making a difference anyway would be a positive one, but some people would rather we pretend they never lost the arm at all.  How is that better?

 

I'm sorry, I assumed when you said "I hope the writers do what is best for the story" that you meant you hoped they would bring back the Inquisitor because you thought it was obviously superior.  Apologies if that wasn't what you were suggesting.

[TheEnigmousPretentiator]

If no Inquisitor in DA 4, good riddance. That Herald of Andraste mess irritated me to no end.

 

Anyway, if Solas was to be included in DA 4, I would like to see him through a new character's perspective, hear what he might not have told the Inquisitor or to iterate with a different sensibility.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If no Inquisitor in DA 4, good riddance. That Herald of Andraste mess irritated me to no end.

 

Anyway, if Solas was to be included in DA 4, I would like to see him through a new character's perspective, hear what he might not have told the Inquisitor or to iterate with a different sensibility.

Why would he tell the new protagonist anything? He would care nothing about the new protagonist thus not reveal anything and instead just turn you into stone and continue on his way. 

[TheEnigmousPretentiator]

Why would he tell the new protagonist anything? He would care nothing about the new protagonist thus not reveal anything and instead just turn you into stone and continue on his way. 

 

Shall I ignore your answer and provide one of my own?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Shall I ignore your answer and provide one of my own?

I would appreciate an answer, yes. 

[Ariella]

Why would he tell the new protagonist anything? He would care nothing about the new protagonist thus not reveal anything and instead just turn you into stone and continue on his way.

You seem to be assuming that Solas and a new protagonist would meet cold, without anything happening between them first.

We don't know what the story is going to be yet. All we know is Solas is involved along with this new war. We don't know how the new pc will figure in and come into conflict with Solas.

Solas isn't some mustache twirler. I get the sense he'd find such a thing a challenge as much as a frustration. It's the Grand Game on a different scale, which we do know he enjoys.

And as pointed out elsewhere having a person he's never come in contact with before, never had a hand in shaping... It might show him that maybe there is strength and worth in the world. That the IQ isn't just some fluke. The people of Thedas can produce greatness without his intervention.

[TheEnigmousPretentiator]

I would appreciate an answer, yes. 

 

 

Why would he reveal anything? I do not know.

 

I do not profess to understand Solas after one game, hence why I said I would like to see him through the perspective of a new character. Would he attempt to turn the new protagonist to stone and continue with his actions? Conceivably, and it is possible the protagonist's tenacity and capability may intrigue him.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You seem to be assuming that Solas and a new protagonist would meet cold, without anything happening between them first.

Do you have any evidence to suggest they won't? I'm operating on what evidence we have. 

 

Solas isn't some mustache twirler. I get the sense he'd find such a thing a challenge as much as a frustration. It's the Grand Game on a different scale, which we do know he enjoys.

If he's going to reveal all the same information to someone he doesn't know, there is a chance he might be since he would express that information via monologue. 

 

And as pointed out elsewhere having a person he's never come in contact with before, never had a hand in shaping... It might show him that maybe there is strength and worth in the world. That the IQ isn't just some fluke. The people of Thedas can produce greatness without his intervention.

Except it isn't because of his influence that he finds the Inquisitor unique. In fact it is the exact opposite. When asking you if the Foci changed you, it's when you say no that he is most intrigued. It's when you show traits he did not expect you to show, like a curious mind, that he is most intrigued. If you don't show those things, then even with all Solas did to shape you he sees the Inquisitor as no different than anybody else. 

[CardButton]

OK here is a challenge for those Pro-New PC advocates out there.  Without using the concept "I want a clean break from previous games" or bringing in arguments why you do not want to the Inquisitor to return as a PC (I've stated why I disregard the Missing Arm, the Budget, and the "One PC Per Game" arguments at this point, they are easy excuses and all can be gotten around in a number of ways to facilitate a returning Inquisitor PC) give us reasons and story elements why you want a new PC.  After all, arguing against something old does not innately support the benefits of having something new.

 

Because of some people giving these positives of what a New PC could bring to the story, I've found myself strongly on the dual PC crowd now (when I started I was hard core sole Inquisitor PC) and I do see the genuine merit of have a New PC (twice that level of merit if they come with the elusive "Insiders Perspective"). I know you guys have great reasons for this, I just wish you'd use them more.  So rather than harping on the same tired 3 default excuses as to why you don't want a Quizzy PC again, give us your best shot on what you simply want to see from a New PC!  What do you see as their story?  What do you want them to be? 

 

It's alot more fun to debate potentials after all!