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[AresKeith]

Dear lord no. I don't need to be reminded of the walking steriotype anymore than I already am.

 

[Eivuwan]

Lol, I said there would be one of these threads every few weeks until the game comes out... It hasn't even been a few weeks. We now have 3 threads on this topic in the general discussion.

[Nefla]

Unfortunately, I think it will be option 3: new protagonist and involved with stopping Solas. But I am hopeful that it won't be chockful of cameos and significant references to Southern Thedas. I think Dorian and Harding will be major players, and Maevaris (but she was never actually in game). Most other significant roles will be new characters.

I think you're correct, though if that's the case then the cameos don't matter to me as I won't be playing it.

[Regan_Cousland]

Lol, I said there would be one of these threads every few weeks until the game comes out... It hasn't even been a few weeks. We now have 3 threads on this topic in the general discussion. 

 

Blame BioWare, not us. They could have retired her conclusively -- but then they had to make a really good DLC in which she swore to hunt down Solas, no matter what, and then got all determined and stabby with her map. lol

[AresKeith]

Blame BioWare, not us. They could have retired her conclusively -- but then they had to make a really good DLC in which she swore to hunt down Solas, no matter what, and then got all determined and stabby with her map. lol

 

I highly doubt Bioware is done with the Inquisitor in a way, but that doesn't mean the DLC set them up for continuing as a main protagonist 

[Eivuwan]

Blame BioWare, not us. They could have retired her conclusively -- but then they had to make a really good DLC in which she swore to hunt down Solas, no matter what, and then got all determined and stabby with her map. lol

 

I just find it amusing that's all. I'm getting tired at this point of repeating the same arguments and rebuttals over and over. The one we need to convince is Bioware. I believe that even if they want to make a new protagonist, they will see how much weaker the story would be and end up going with the Inquisitor. That is my hope.

[AresKeith]

I just find it amusing that's all. I'm getting tired at this point of repeating the same arguments and rebuttals over and over. The one we need to convince is Bioware. I believe that even if they want to make a new protagonist, they will see how much weaker the story would be and end up going with the Inquisitor. That is my hope.

 

That's a very big assumption

[Dabrikishaw]

People have listed a lot of reasons why they want the Inquisitor to be the protagonist in the next DA game. Here, I'm going to list the reasons why I do NOT want that. Basically, it comes down to this: the Inquisitor carries too much ballast around to work for me as a new protagonist. Here is why:
 
(1) A clean cut with Southern Thedas
I'm sick of southern Thedas and its problems. I'm sick of the Circles, the Orlesian Chantry, mages vs. templars and Orlesian Andrastianism. I was looking forward to playing in Tevinter, playing a native Tevinter citizen, encountering new people from there and immersing myself into a new culture. I want to leave southern Thedas behind as far as possible, and playing as the Ex-Inquisitor would be like a heavy chain binding me to everything I want to leave behind,
 
(2) Trespasser's ending makes for a lot of ballast I don't want.
I was happy after the ending of the game, before Trespasser. I like my Inquisitors, but I was quite happy to leave them behind as leaders of the Inquisition. It was the first ending of a Bioware game that I found unreservedly satisfying since DAO. Then came Trespasser and ruined everything, and now I'm considerably less happy. I'm quite prepared to start as a character with a low power level in DA4, but for an old protagonist to be hammered down, taking away everything they have gained and more, in order to make them feasible, that would be like a slap in the face by the writers. I do not like to be slapped in the face, and I'd rather not start the next DA game being angry. I'd rather start with the kind of pleasant anticipation I had with DAI. Playing the Ex-Inquisitor would make that impossible.
 
(3) Trespasser has weakened my connection to the Inquisitor
People have said Trespasser made the Inquisitor more relatable. This term may be important to a story you watch and read, but less to a roleplaying game. I guess some people experience Bioware's games as more of stories they watch than shape, and perhaps with some justification. I'm a roleplayer, however. I do not "relate" to my character, I automatically have a much closer connection to them than that, and I'm automatically invested in them as long as the writers don't put words into their mouths I would never have them say, or make them do things I'd never make them do. That almost never happened in DAI, and so my Inquisitor has been, right from the start, one of three Bioware protagonists I could connect to with no problem at all (the others are the Bhaalspawn and the Warden). Bioware's writers are the GM to me.
Now imagine if in a tabletop RPG campaign, your GM did to your character what was done to the Inquisitor with no input at all from you. I don't know about others, but in that situation, I consider it very likely I'd say "Not with me, I'll make a new character". In that way, Trespasser made the Inquisitor less my character - and thus less "relatable" as the protagonist of a game - than she had been before, and it would be an uphill battle to remake the connection. Again, I'd rather start the game without that kind of ballast.
 
So...I do NOT want the Ex-Inquisitor to be DA4's protagonist. I'm not saything such a setup couldn't be a success, but I rather suspect that Bioware's writers won't do any of the things that would make it palatable to me.

I agree with you here, mostly for part 1 but I understand where you're coming from with the other parts.

 

I really don't care to see any Southern Thedas powers in the next game.

 

I don't have an issue with the ending of Trespasser, but I mostly thought leaving the south would have allowed our military power and choices in Inquisition to go untouched by Bioware retcons. Trespasser changed that. Again, I have no issues with what Trespasser did but I have little desire to see anything of the Inquisition again since the point of Trespasser was to end it.

 

I always liked playing as The Inquisitor, so I never had the problems with the character that others did. A lot of the what justified the Inquisitor's protagonist position is gone now so I have no desire to continue playing as them. As Former Fiend once put it, The Warden didn't get to see the resolution of Morrigan and Flemeth's rivalry, Hawke didn't get to resolve the Mage-Templar War and defeat Corypheus, The Inquisitor not getting to stop Solas is completely expected at this point.

[tehturian]

Lol, I said there would be one of these threads every few weeks until the game comes out... It hasn't even been a few weeks. We now have 3 threads on this topic in the general discussion.

Only another two years to go!

 

At least. 

[Regan_Cousland]

I just find it amusing that's all. I'm getting tired at this point of repeating the same arguments and rebuttals over and over. The one we need to convince is Bioware. I believe that even if they want to make a new protagonist, they will see how much weaker the story would be and end up going with the Inquisitor. That is my hope.

 

I'd like to think that our debates do have some effect on BioWare. Tresspasser, for example, improved upon many of the shortcomings of the main campaign -- shortcomings that BioWare wouldn't have been aware existed if not for the countless threads created here debating the tedious fetch-quests and lifeless storytelling.

[RepHope]

There's no way the Inquisitor will be the main protagonist next time around. Trespasser quite clearly sets him/her up to be a "Duncan" to the next protagonist, informing them of the hidden threat and recruiting them as it were. They might not even cameo, although I'd be surprised if they didn't send a few agents, supplies, or information to help out.

[Homeboundcrib]

I popped in the other treads might as well join in here. I want the inqusitior back as main pc I don't want to see them become a robot with hardly any emotion. To me having a new hero draws away from the story, we are losing the personal connection the personal motivation and yes I know some do not see it but others do. If we have a new pc which is likely, there movtivations will be the same this guy wants to kill the world well I better go kill him. There's no connection in that, we could see a true underdog step up and rise to the challenge. I can't see a new hero wanting to redeem Solas there not going to care who he is, they will simply want to take his head.

I know it's about the world and not one individual but there stories are what make the world, there companions stories make the world. You can explore a new region, meet new people all while playing as the Inqusitor again. And for the hand if they chopped that off simply to sideline the inqusitor, to put them behind a desk, thats just a cheap way of doing that they could have easily just killed him or her. Im a little over stories being left blowing in the wind and being left for others to clean it up. when someone who has so much connection and personal motivation, love, hate seriously what ever, has a chance to finish what they started.

[Eivuwan]

That's a very big assumption

 

That's my opinion. And if they somehow managed to make a new protagonist work to a satisfying degree, I will take back my words.

[renfrees]

I wonder what percentage of those who wants Inquisitor as DA4's protagonist are Solasmancers.

[Eivuwan]

I'd like to think that our debates do have some effect on BioWare. Tresspasser, for example, improved upon many of the shortcomings of the main campaign -- shortcomings that BioWare wouldn't have been aware existed if not for the countless threads created here debating the tedious fetch-quests and lifeless storytelling.

 

True, and to me it just seems like writing 101 to not put in a new protagonist after building a relationship between the current protagonist and your "villain."

[Eivuwan]

I wonder what percentage of those who wants Inquisitor as DA4's protagonist are Solasmancers.

 

Why don't you make a poll and why does it matter anyway? Are the opinions of Solasmancers not important?

[leaguer of one]

True, and to me it just seems like writing 101 to not put in a new protagonist after building a relationship between the current protagonist and your "villain."

Dude, that started from the very moment the quis met Solas in Haven, you just did not know it yet. This is not something that suddenly happens, it something you just realized happened.

[renfrees]

Why don't you make a poll and why does it matter anyway? Are the opinions of Solasmancers not important?

No more than others. The franchise was not made for that romance and hopefully the writers will keep that in mind when deciding on the next protagonist.

[Eivuwan]

Dude, that started from the very moment the quis met Solas in Haven, you just did not know it yet. This is not something that suddenly happens, it something you just realized happened.

 

I think you misunderstood my point because I don't understand your response.

[Eivuwan]

No more than others. The franchise was not made for that romance and hopefully the writers will keep that in mind when deciding on the next protagonist.

 

No one was saying I'm a Solasmancerrr, bow to my desires! I think you just want to paint all the pro-Inquisitor people with the same brush.

[renfrees]

No one was saying I'm a Solasmancerrr, bow to my desires! I think you just want to paint all the pro-Inquisitor people with the same brush.

That was the point of my original question.

[Eivuwan]

That was the point of my original question.

 

The point of your original question was to point out that not all pro-Inquistors are Solasmancers? That is not intuitive at all.

[SinisterSquash]

No more than others. The franchise was not made for that romance and hopefully the writers will keep that in mind when deciding on the next protagonist.

The lead writer seems to prefer the new character for each game, so I don't think those of us that would like to have a new character with a new background have to worry about it at all. I'm looking forward to playing a Tevinter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I wonder what percentage of those who wants Inquisitor as DA4's protagonist are Solasmancers.

From what the threads discussing this have shown, the majority of people wanting it have not romanced Solas.

[Eivuwan]

From what the threads discussing this have shown, the majority of people wanting it have not romanced Solas.

 

Also, I seem to be one of the few Solasmancers who are debating this in the general forum. Most of the people in the Solas thread are staying out the discussion.