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[caradoc2000]

Virtual alien? Is that like Tamagotchi?

[KaiserShep]

Since it was mentioned by Hackett, after the coup, that its believed the crucible has enough energy to destroy the reapers, he and others would attempt to build another crucible hoping to destroy the reapers this time.

 

I can imagine the Crucible 2.0 docking, and the Shepard VI loads up and tells them to beat it. 

[Blackadderthethird]

Hardware and software can be reproduced with relative ease. Organics can't. Choose destroy, restore what ever AI's you want from backups.

[GalacticWolf5]

Hardware and software can be reproduced with relative ease. Organics can't. Choose destroy, restore what ever AI's you want from backups.

Nope, you cant do that. As stated in the Codex, a new AI would be created.

[GalacticWolf5]

How about we all let people pick whatever ending they want?

[Blackadderthethird]

Nope, you cant do that. As stated in the Codex, a new AI would be created.

It wouldn't be the exact same personality no, but memories, experience etc could be restored. So you should end up with an AI quite similar to the ones destroyed. Howerver, considering the havoc AI's have inflicted on the galaxy the question would be. Do we want to create AI's?

[Satele-Shan87]

I'll always pick Destroy.

Control and Refusal are stupid endings.

Synthesis is not so bad but forcing an entire galaxy to become some sort of cyborgs like a tyrant bothers me deeply.

 

 

[KotorEffect3]

I am guessing the galactic death count from the reaper war was already in the tens of billions when the galactic fleet engaged the reapers in the final battle of the war.  In a war this scale and size where trillions are at risk there are going to have to be sacrifices.  No single species or civilization is completely inexpendable when it comes to the fate of the entire galaxy.  Destroy is still the best option.

[XxShadow575xX]

In some ways, Commander Shepard's aim has always been to "Destroy" the Reapers and it's always been the Illusive man's will to control them, in a way controlling them would be too overpowered as if someone had the technology to hack them, controlling them would be useless however destroying them will make them impossible to control meaning all ends well. But the annoying thing about the ending is when you see Shepard take a breath, and BioWare couldn't consider making a fourth one where he comes back as it is quite obvious he is still alive. Also some of the missions/scenes of when you see inactive reapers or tech, surely destroying an inactive reaper/tech wouldn't work as there would just be nothing turned on to detonate so if they considered making another one to link with Mass Effect 1,2 and 3 they should bring them back.

[dorktainian]

"I am the catalyst".  what a load of BS.

 

Shepard is the Catalyst, or rather (4th wall breaking) YOU are the catalyst.  At this point in the game YOU are the only one who can by actions or inactions force change.

 

I picked destroy, but hooray for you if you picked any other ending.

 

I've always wondered if this was a test of the players, not of shepard to see which way we would go.  How many of us became sympathetic over the course of three games to the cause of synthetics, even over organics?  How many of us would take peace at any cost, including the genetic manipulation of every species and removal of ethnic and species diversity?  How many of us would enslave the intergalactic death machines with noble intentions, and ultimately become the very thing we were trying to destroy in the first place?  How many of us would retain any sense of whats really going on and 'pull the trigger' and destroy the reapers, or our connection to them?

[Esthlos]

"I am the catalyst".  what a load of BS.
 
Shepard is the Catalyst, or rather (4th wall breaking) YOU are the catalyst.  At this point in the game YOU are the only one who can by actions or inactions force change.

https://www.youtube....h?v=wUttwzazq30
 

[Satele-Shan87]

"I am the catalyst".  what a load of BS.

 

Shepard is the Catalyst, or rather (4th wall breaking) YOU are the catalyst.  At this point in the game YOU are the only one who can by actions or inactions force change.

 

I picked destroy, but hooray for you if you picked any other ending.

 

I've always wondered if this was a test of the players, not of shepard to see which way we would go.  How many of us became sympathetic over the course of three games to the cause of synthetics, even over organics?  How many of us would take peace at any cost, including the genetic manipulation of every species and removal of ethnic and species diversity?  How many of us would enslave the intergalactic death machines with noble intentions, and ultimately become the very thing we were trying to destroy in the first place?  How many of us would retain any sense of whats really going on and 'pull the trigger' and destroy the reapers, or our connection to them?

The best comment I've read today.

[sortiv]

"I am the catalyst".  what a load of BS.

 

Shepard is the Catalyst, or rather (4th wall breaking) YOU are the catalyst.  At this point in the game YOU are the only one who can by actions or inactions force change.

 

I picked destroy, but hooray for you if you picked any other ending.

 

I've always wondered if this was a test of the players, not of shepard to see which way we would go.  How many of us became sympathetic over the course of three games to the cause of synthetics, even over organics?  How many of us would take peace at any cost, including the genetic manipulation of every species and removal of ethnic and species diversity?  How many of us would enslave the intergalactic death machines with noble intentions, and ultimately become the very thing we were trying to destroy in the first place?  How many of us would retain any sense of whats really going on and 'pull the trigger' and destroy the reapers, or our connection to them?

 

I think you're spot on about the game "testing" players. This has been said many times by Destroy proponents, but the entire trilogy aimed to destroy Reapers. Tremendous sacrifices were made already (Ashley or Kaidan, Mordin or Wrex, Anderson, potentially other beloved crewmates during the suicide mission) - you weren't considered to have "killed" Ash or Kaidan just because you did what was necessary to stop Saren. Even when you potentially do kill Wrex or Mordin with direct action, it's not considered the same way people flip out over "killing" EDI. Legion and EDI are in the same bucket as Ash or Kaidan or Wrex... their deaths are a terrible loss, a horrible gut-wrenching catch-22 where you know there's no good option, but something has to be done. You must complete the mission, destroy the enemy. 

 

It's a hard call, but that's why it's Commander Shepard who makes it. Destroy, every time. 

[Undead Han]

Sorry OP, but I like my Reapers dead.

[RanetheViking]

. Howerver, considering the havoc AI's have inflicted on the galaxy the question would be. Do we want to create AI's?

I'd bet the AI's would probably think something similar about Organics.

[dorktainian]

I'd bet the AI's would probably think something similar about Organics.

 

The problem with that is that Organics are a natural occuring thing, whereas AI's require the input of Organics to create them.  Artificial being the operative word here.  Giving AIs power over organics is a dangerous thing, as shown in the Mass Effect trilogy.  Power is not something that should be designated to something that will never be able to comprehend organics.

 

Leviathan DLC shows us what happens when good intentions are over-ridden by utter stupidity.

[Motherlander]

I always destroy the Geth, because Legion was not enough to get me over my dislike of them, so Destroy is not a big deal to me, and I think it would only destroy EDI's traveling around body, not her AI on the ship, as that is just a computer program, but either way, ya Destroy is the way to go for me.

In my preferred destroy narrative, Shep does not activate Legion and thus never knows him. He/She sees the geth as the enemy and regards AI with suspicion. On Rannock, Shep destroys the Geth.

Since Shep is uncomfortable with Edi's super powerful status, he is quite willing to sacrifice her to destroy the Reapers.

[SwobyJ]

The problem with that is that Organics are a natural occuring thing, whereas AI's require the input of Organics to create them.  Artificial being the operative word here.  Giving AIs power over organics is a dangerous thing, as shown in the Mass Effect trilogy.  Power is not something that should be designated to something that will never be able to comprehend organics.
 
Leviathan DLC shows us what happens when good intentions are over-ridden by utter stupidity.

"We are a part of this cosmos whether you like it or not."

 

Do we want to create AIs? Sure, good question.

 

But at least in this circumstance, an AI was outright necessary to defeat the enemy. EDI. Without it/her, the success would not have happened. The writers put in several cases where EDI, as AI specifically, was what Shepard needed to continue his fight.

 

Again, other AI, yes - but that's the thing, at least in the MEU, AI are a part of this cosmos. Whether you like or not. At some point, growing up may be needed to face the monsters in the dark, and that may require building AI.

 

That Cerberus were jerks about it all is a sidenote of context, but not the point.

 

Basically, 'Do we want to create AIs' is ultimately a useless question. It will be done. Some way, to some extent. The nature of it, and legitmacy of it in things like 'life', we'll have to see.

 

 

What IS made clear is that the Reapers are not necessarily the synthetic life we want to allow in the cosmos. Better hope your 'soul' can bear losing EDI and the geth for it though. But it probably can. So wake up.

[KCMeredith]

I like the synth ending because I get to play space police with reapers. 

[KaiserShep]

Sorry OP, but I like my Reapers dead.

The only good reaper is a dead reaper.

[SwobyJ]

The only good reaper is a dead reaper.

 

Can we just rename them something else, reprogram them, and call it a cycle?

[KaiserShep]

Can we just rename them something else, reprogram them, and call it a cycle?

Geth Pro.

[SwobyJ]

Geth Pro.