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[The_Mac23]

Haven't played through the game all 3 times, but out of Alistair, Loghain, and Stroud, who do you all think was the better fit at being a the Warden?

Something about Loghain and his lines/appearance stole the show for me. He came across just as a true seasoned general who could still lead and fight with the best of them. He seemed like a man with a ton of regret in his life, yet one who would constantly fight for redemption until he drew his last breath. Loved him in this game and wanted more of him!

[Taki17]

Story wise, Stroud seemed the best to me. He's the one who saves Bethany's/Carver's life by having them undergo the joining if they get the blight, and he and Hawke meet again during the qunari invasion of Kirkwall (and who knows how many times off-screen after the events of DA2). It makes sense that Hawke would contact him.

 

If Alistair remained a Warden, he could meet Hawke too, so his appearance as Hawke's contact makes sense.

 

I seriously don't know why would Hawke contact Loghain or how they met in the first place, as Hawke was a soldier in the king's army and escaped on his/her own from the slaughter when Loghain pulled out his troops at Ostagar. I don't imagine s/he has much love for him, or would trust him.

 

It would've been a nice touch to make the Warden contact either Bethany or Carver, if they were made Wardens.

[Sifr]

I really enjoyed Loghain as the contact, because it really showed that he'd learned his lesson ("I more than anyone know the cost of too much dedication") and was attempting to atone for his past mistakes, despite it being a completely thankless task since he was among Orlesians and Wardens who did not trust him ("I've been a Warden for ten years, they will never full consider me theirs").

 

I wish they'd explained how Loghain came to meet Hawke in that worldstate, but I suppose that Loghain might have sought out Hawke after investigating Corypheus, since Hawke and their father both had dealings at the Vimmark prison. Could be that Stroud and Hawke's sibling (if they are a Warden) even helped Loghain to track them down, or helped arrange the meeting?

 

As for why they'd be allies, I guess that even if Loghain isn't Hawke's favourite person in the world, the news that Corypheus might not be as dead as they thought would be enough reason to put aside any grudges... the enemy of my enemy and all that?

[straykat]

Story wise, Stroud seemed the best to me. He's the one who saves Bethany's/Carver's life by having them undergo the joining if they get the blight, and he and Hawke meet again during the qunari invasion of Kirkwall (and who knows how many times off-screen after the events of DA2). It makes sense that Hawke would contact him.

 

If Alistair remained a Warden, he could meet Hawke too, so his appearance as Hawke's contact makes sense.

 

I seriously don't know why would Hawke contact Loghain or how they met in the first place, as Hawke was a soldier in the king's army and escaped on his/her own from the slaughter when Loghain pulled out his troops at Ostagar. I don't imagine s/he has much love for him, or would trust him.

 

It would've been a nice touch to make the Warden contact either Bethany or Carver, if they were made Wardens.

 

At that point though, Loghain would be well known as someone redeemed/accepted somewhat by the HOF. And he's like the biggest celebrity of Ferelden. Besides Hawke herself or himself. And very misunderstood and controversial. Perhaps that's something that Hawke can relate to and is torn about. There's probably some interesting campfire talks you could write about with those two.

 

That said.. he's not my first choice either.

[BloodKaiden]

I like Loghain the best and find it beautiful storytelling to have him stay behind in the Fade. His deep background and redemption is amazing imo.

[GoldenGail3]

Alistair. He looks amazing in Warden Blues  and he talks about a romanced warden so cutely... It's probably the cutest any Origins LI speaks about the Warden as their LI.

[BraveVesperia]

Story wise, Stroud seemed the best to me. He's the one who saves Bethany's/Carver's life by having them undergo the joining if they get the blight, and he and Hawke meet again during the qunari invasion of Kirkwall (and who knows how many times off-screen after the events of DA2). It makes sense that Hawke would contact him.

 

If Alistair remained a Warden, he could meet Hawke too, so his appearance as Hawke's contact makes sense.

 

I seriously don't know why would Hawke contact Loghain or how they met in the first place, as Hawke was a soldier in the king's army and escaped on his/her own from the slaughter when Loghain pulled out his troops at Ostagar. I don't imagine s/he has much love for him, or would trust him.

 

It would've been a nice touch to make the Warden contact either Bethany or Carver, if they were made Wardens.

I assumed it was the Warden who contacted Hawke, not the other way around. Though now I think about it, I can't remember why Hawke was supposed to be involved with the Grey Wardens' issues in the first place. 

[Sifr]

I assumed it was the Warden who contacted Hawke, not the other way around. Though now I think about it, I can't remember why Hawke was supposed to be involved with the Grey Wardens' issues in the first place. 

 

The Wardens wanted to ask Hawke questions about what happened in Legacy  and how they managed to kill Corypheus, something that the Wardens hadn't been able to do in over a thousand years?

 

(I also suspect they probably had some questions about what happened to Janeka, as I have doubts that she had gotten any permission before she hired the Carta to attempt to kidnap Hawke and possibly their sibling, with the intention of using their blood to break the seals holding Corypheus. The Wardens have done some pretty dumb things before, but that would take the cake?)

 

Hawke stuck around because they wanted to make sure Corypheus was dead, and if not, help finish the job. Plus if one of their siblings is a Warden or they were romancing Anders, they wanted to make sure that they were safe from the False Calling after it started affecting them.

[Arisugawa]

At that point though, Loghain would be well known as someone redeemed/accepted somewhat by the HOF. And he's like the biggest celebrity of Ferelden. Besides Hawke herself or himself. And very misunderstood and controversial. Perhaps that's something that Hawke can relate to and is torn about. There's probably some interesting campfire talks you could write about with those two.

 

That said.. he's not my first choice either.

 

Not for my Hawke. Redemption or not during the Fifth Blight, my rogue Hawke was still at Ostagar and still blames Loghain for the events at Ostagar as assuredly as she blames Anders for escalating the situation in Kirkwall.

 

And if she had her choice in the matter, she'd give him the murder knife as quickly and as assuredly as she gave it to Anders.

 

Saying that, however, my mage Hawke (who was not at Ostagar) may have a differing opinion.

[BraveVesperia]

The Wardens wanted to ask Hawke questions about what happened in Legacy  and how they managed to kill Corypheus, something that the Wardens hadn't been able to do in over a thousand years?

 

(I also suspect they probably had some questions about what happened to Janeka, as I have doubts that she had gotten any permission before she hired the Carta to attempt to kidnap Hawke and possibly their sibling, with the intention of using their blood to break the seals holding Corypheus. The Wardens have done some pretty dumb things before, but that would take the cake?)

 

Hawke stuck around because they wanted to make sure Corypheus was dead, and if not, help finish the job. Plus if one of their siblings is a Warden or they were romancing Anders, they wanted to make sure that they were safe from the False Calling after it started affecting them.

Ah, yes, I remember now. For some reason I thought Hawke turned up before the reveal that the 'Elder One' is Corypheus. Yeah, that does make sense now. 

[Knight of Dane]

The only thing I really have to say is that I don't get why Hawke only had one contact.

 

Did Alistair or Loghain's role in the Wardens silence Stroud? What happened to him? Wouldn't he still share the concerns about Corypheus regardless of them being present?

 

It is also entirely possible for Loghain, Alistair and Stroud to all be with the Orlesian wardens, if Alistair is exiled in DA:O he supposedly returns to the wardens in Orlais and not Ferelden, there is dialogue in the files that indicates this. Did he just not speak up to spite Loghain if he is around?

 

Otherwise they worked perfectly fine all of them. I just wanted the narrative to explain these things and how Loghain became Hawke's contact? I suppose you could say "Anders" because he was possibly present for those 10 minutes that Loghain has a cameo in Awakening.

[Carmen_Willow]

In my canon play through, the one I used for my story, SEER, Stroud is the Warden Commander for the Free Marches and it is to his command that Nathaniel is ordered, which is where Carver is taken to recover as a recruit. So, through Nathaniel and Carver, Hawke deepens the acquaintance with Stroud.

 

So, for me, Stroud makes the most sense. He is the one who is most likely to know the entire Corypheus story, having heard it first hand from his subordinate and his subordinate's sister, Hawke.

[straykat]

Not for my Hawke. Redemption or not during the Fifth Blight, my rogue Hawke was still at Ostagar and still blames Loghain for the events at Ostagar as assuredly as she blames Anders for escalating the situation in Kirkwall.

 

And if she had her choice in the matter, she'd give him the murder knife as quickly and as assuredly as she gave it to Anders.

 

Saying that, however, my mage Hawke (who was not at Ostagar) may have a differing opinion.

 

I haven't done it either. I was just saying.. there's plenty you could play around with here.

 

I suppose I just support Stroud. While Alistair is almost always King to me. Never even had a playthrough with a Warden Ali.

[DuskWanderer]

Loghain has the best dialogue, but Stroud is honestly the only one I could see Hawke coming into contact with, particularly if Bethany/Carver is a Gray Warden

[Arvaarad]

My Warden was more directly betrayed by Loghain than Hawke, and they still ended up as best buddies. Loghain's a likable dude, when he's not anywhere near a throne. My first playthrough of DA:O was before reading The Stolen Throne, so his laid-back attitude and dry sense of humor genuinely caught me off-guard.

 

Anyway, I suspect he got in Hawke's good graces by a similar path.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Stroud definitely ties in with Hawke the best, especially if Hawke's sibling became a a Warden. Even if they didn't, given that Stroud operates in the Free Marches, it's easy to imagine them crossing paths over the years. Alistair is also possible, since he can appear in Act 2 (as can Stroud). Loghain seems like the least likely of the three options, but given that several years have passed since the end of DA2, questions about how they met can easily be handwaved. I can't say which of the three Wardens offers the better interactions, as I've only done HLtA with Loghain.

[The_Mac23]

Loghain just feels like he fits the Warden mold perfectly. Stroud's voice is annoying lol and he has virtually no development. Dragon Age 2 should have used Nathaniel Howe in place of Stroud.

Alistair is good also, just never has that badass warrior/seasoned veteran feel that Loghain has. Loghain as he is depicted in Inquisition is awesome.

[Dabrikishaw]

Story wise, Stroud seemed the best to me. He's the one who saves Bethany's/Carver's life by having them undergo the joining if they get the blight, and he and Hawke meet again during the qunari invasion of Kirkwall (and who knows how many times off-screen after the events of DA2). It makes sense that Hawke would contact him.

 

If Alistair remained a Warden, he could meet Hawke too, so his appearance as Hawke's contact makes sense.

 

I seriously don't know why would Hawke contact Loghain or how they met in the first place, as Hawke was a soldier in the king's army and escaped on his/her own from the slaughter when Loghain pulled out his troops at Ostagar. I don't imagine s/he has much love for him, or would trust him.

 

It would've been a nice touch to make the Warden contact either Bethany or Carver, if they were made Wardens.

I agree with all of this, especially the idea of making Bethany and Carver Warden contacts if they were alive.

[Animechick69]

Haven't played through the game all 3 times, but out of Alistair, Loghain, and Stroud, who do you all think was the better fit at being a the Warden?

Something about Loghain and his lines/appearance stole the show for me. He came across just as a true seasoned general who could still lead and fight with the best of them. He seemed like a man with a ton of regret in his life, yet one who would constantly fight for redemption until he drew his last breath. Loved him in this game and wanted more of him!

 

For me it was Alistair, as I had gotten to know him as a character through Origins. He seemed wise, and a little cynical when I met him in Crestwood. Given the situation it was understandable. 

[Sifr]

Ah, yes, I remember now. For some reason I thought Hawke turned up before the reveal that the 'Elder One' is Corypheus. Yeah, that does make sense now. 

 

I completely forgot to add that Hawke was looking for the Wardens as well, hoping to find out if they had any information on Red Lyrium and where the Red Templars were getting more of it from. My best guess is that Hawke and the Warden-ally decided to team up and pool their information.

 

I agree with all of this, especially the idea of making Bethany and Carver Warden contacts if they were alive.

 

This would probably have been the only scenario where Hawke sacrificing themselves over a Warden-ally they barely know, would made more sense storywise and wouldn't come across as an extremely cheap death. If Hawke's sibling was the one who became the Warden-ally, it would have been totally in-character for Hawke to overrule the player's decision (regardless of who we pick) and sacrifice themselves to save Bethany/Carver.

 

(IMHO, the best worldstate for Bethany/Carver as the Warden ally, would be one where Alistair is King and Loghain is not a Warden. If Alistair or Loghain are currently Wardens, it would overrule them. If neither Alistair, Loghain and Bethany/Carver are currently Wardens, then we instead have Stroud.)

[Taki17]

(IMHO, the best worldstate for Bethany/Carver as the Warden ally, would be one where Alistair is King and Loghain is not a Warden. If Alistair or Loghain are currently Wardens, it would overrule them. If neither Alistair, Loghain and Bethany/Carver are currently Wardens, then we instead have Stroud.)

What about Nathaniel Howe? If he survived Awakening, then Hawke can save his life during a side quest. Saving one's life is something you might consider a debt to one's savior, so Hawke could've asked for a favor in return. Nathaniel's return totally would've made sense, and they could've brought back another familiar face

[straykat]

What about Nathaniel Howe? If he survived Awakening, then Hawke can save his life during a side quest. Saving one's life is something you might consider a debt to one's savior, so Hawke could've asked for a favor in return. Nathaniel's return totally would've made sense, and they could've brought back another familiar face

 

I would've liked it. Nathaniel's badass.

[Sifr]

What about Nathaniel Howe? If he survived Awakening, then Hawke can save his life during a side quest. Saving one's life is something you might consider a debt to one's savior, so Hawke could've asked for a favor in return. Nathaniel's return totally would've made sense, and they could've brought back another familiar face

 

I'd have liked to have seen Nathaniel return, at least to tell us what the Ferelden Wardens were doing during Inquisition?

 

Part of me wants Bioware to retcon it so that Nathaniel is always alive and a Warden (like they did with Anders going into DA2), so we could have Nate take over as the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden, since there's apparently a new one in the novel "Last Flight".

 

A handwave could be to say that either the Hero of Ferelden has either been dead since Origins, or they were declared MIA by Weisshaupt due to their prolonged silence on the quest to find the cure for the Calling? And if the Orlesian Warden was the Ferelden Warden-Commander this entire time, perhaps they've since died, perhaps even as one of the many casualities in Adamant?

[Ghost Gal]

The best Warden for the Warden contact role is whoever works for you.

 

Some people always leave Alistair a Warden and can't imagine a worldstate where it isn't him. Some crazy people always spare Loghain and can't imagine a worldstate where he's not the one, (crazies) so for them they can't imagine the Warden contact being anyone else. Some people like not having to choose between their precious Mary Sue Hawke and a character they might care about, so they prefer Stroud. (Although both my boyfriend and I both had at least one worldstate where it was between Stroud and Hawke, and we both independently chose to leave Hawke behind because we just like Stroud better.)

 

I just depends on the player's preference.

[straykat]

The best Warden for the Warden contact role is whoever works for you.

 

Some people always leave Alistair a Warden and can't imagine a worldstate where it isn't him. Some crazy people always spare Loghain and can't imagine a worldstate where he's not the one, (crazies) so for them they can't imagine the Warden contact being anyone else. Some people like not having to choose between their precious Mary Sue Hawke and a character they might care about, so they prefer Stroud. (Although both my boyfriend and I both had at least one worldstate where it was between Stroud and Hawke, and we both independently chose to leave Hawke behind because we just like Stroud better.)

 

I just depends on the player's preference.

 

Not sure how Hawke is a Mary Sue. My Hawke's life was pretty damn bad. I'd kill the Inquisitor before that... if I thought a Mary Sue needed to be humbled.