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[Quarian Master Race]

Practicality is an important, if not the most important aspect of a weapon's quality. High damage or awesome animations don't matter too much if you can't hit the enemy or keep getting killed while trying to reload. Lack of practicality makes using the weapon, at best, a novelty or a self-imposed challenge.

That is, unless you rate weapons not by how efficiently/quickly/safely/conveniently they can kill enemies, but by some loosely defined "awesomeness" factor. Even then, that brings the Claymore up against the Reegar carbine. And while the Claymore can kill lesser enemies in a single trigger press, the Reegar can evaporate them with armor-piercing incendiary lightning. ARMOR-PIERCING INCENDIARY LIGHTNING! (Oh, and it's DPS blows the Claymore out of the water too.)

Using the Claymoar isn't a challenge for me because I'm a member of the obviously more skilled minority. I prefer the higher burst and sustained DPS. It's a bit like how Marc Marquez rides a Honda RC213V instead of a Honda Metropolitan.

Are you attempting to make the argument that Reegar is more awesome than Claymoar? Being a quarian I'm actually a proponent of it, but come on. A molten stream of white cheddar isn't as awesome as a Kilogram of buckshot launched at relativistic speeds from a device that sounds like Odin's farts and makes chunks of melon land 2 star systems over in anything except technically how fast it kills big things, (assuming you are within a few meters).

 

To be fair, these two require a very different skillset and playstyle. The Claymore is all about twitch aiming and executing what is basically a very boring QTE. The Reegar doesn't give a flying f*** about the player's reaction time. Instead it rewards knowledge (and prediction) of enemy behavior, proper positioning and use of tactics to "juggle" enemies. You may consider these skills lesser to twitch aiming, but if you really think that reaction time is the pinnacle of all skills gaming related... well, I consider that the real scrubbery.

Well, that's a nice simplification and dismissal of one of the more involving and complex to use weapons in this game full of full auto lazer beams, AOE noob cannons, and actual lazer beams that practically play themselves.

Lol@ Reegar requiring any sort of skill. My people invented the damn thing so we could kill everything on the field without scuffing our suits in the process. It requires you to do nothing but get in range and pour on the cheese. This is moderately difficult on a squishy kit (so no Krogan, Batarian, Turian, Volus with shield boost and double cloak, or Puggernaut) with no means of closing distances immediately (any vanguard and Havoc), or dropping aggro to do so (any winfiltrator, especially the sexbot), but on any of those mentioned it is braindead easy and a child could do it all game. If you optimize the Reegar on a Proguard, it is literally the easiest setup in the game and the one that everyone recommends to players whom lack the requisite skill to solo gold with any other build to use for getting the mastery challenge.

Claymore, by contrast, is not reccomended on any noob friendly build that I know of. Maybe Claymoar sexbot is incredibly easy, but then Reegar sexbot practically plays itself. I don't just consider the "skills" the Reegar takes to be lesser, they by definition are, because they hardly exist. Pressing the charge/cloak button then holding the fire button while pointing in a general direction to instamelt an entire spawn bosses and all isn't even remotely difficult by this game's standards. 

[MaxCrushmore]

Lol, this topic is overblown. I know lots of people like the sound and feel of the Claymore, but to delude yourself that it is better than the Wraith? Absurd.

 

As I stated in another thread, the Claymore is superior for those who consistently land headshots, and that is a very small pool of players (despite the claims of many). I do not fall into that pool, meaning to register OHK on a mook with the Claymore, I generally need TC .. so once every 3 seconds I can reliably OHK a mook. With the Wraith (and several other shoguns), even those more aim challenged people (like myself) can kill more than 1 mook every 3 seconds.

 

Full disclosure, I never really use either of these guns

[Miniditka77]

Unshielded gold mooks obviously do, but they also die to the Wraith with bodyshots. For shielded mooks, both Wraith and Claymoar will reliably kill with bodyshots given damage buffs like Tactical Cheat or Adrenaline Rush, so that's a zero sum game (though it must be noted that it is much easier to accurately fit 2 wraith shots into Cloak's 2.5 second damage duration). For other builds with the Claymoar, it depends. Let me use the example of one of our favourite builds, the QFE, vs a simple gold Centurion

So, Mr. Centurion has 1860 health and 1637.5 shields for a total of 3497.5 hitpoints

Using This build (full passives with weapon damage at 6, level 3 amp and level 4 ammo) we can already tell the claim is bullshіt at least for a single shot with no other buffs. It takes 4.8 (so 5) pellets to break the shield, leaving just 3 pellets to do 1325.75 damage (no I didn't bother to account for the 25% damage from the 5th pellet that will get through shieldgate because OTOH it is like 50 damage and would make no difference). Mr Centurion is still standing there for a full 3 seconds after you fire in order to take all this damage too, mind you.

What about with Cryo Blast? This brings Claymoar's damage up by 25%. It will now take 3.8 (4) pellets to break shieldgate, leaving you with 4 other pellets to kill. Assuming they all hit, it will be good for a combined total of 1842 impact damage. So basically, he still isn't dead until a single tick of the remaining 515 damage worth of incendiary DOT kills him after a full second.

Keep in mind that the Centurion is the weakest of the 4 common shielded mooks (Marauder has another 200 hitpoints, Captain has around 400 more before being possessed, nevermind after, and the scumbag Hunter has 900 more). Also keep in mind that the only way you can OHK Mr. Centurion with a bodyshot is by hitting him with cryo blast and all 8 pellets. So, if he dodges your projectile, you aren't killing him at all. If you are beyond a few meters when you take the shot and a single pellet goes wide, you aren't killing him at all. If you are out of sequence with Cryo debuff (because its cooldown assuming weight glitch is working properly is 2.54, incinerate's is 4.06 and both have travel time as well, while Claymoar reload cancel duration is 1.97 seconds IIRC) or used it to freeze a nearby unshielded mook (which is the smart thing to do when facing multiple opponents for the extra CC and a faster kill rate), you aren't killing him at all with that bodyshot.

But yeah, with about 50 strings attached you can kill some mooks in one bodyshot on gold with some builds that the Wraith can't do the same against. 

 

Well, first - you forgot the 800 or so damage that the Incendiary ammo will do (which, unlike other ammo,will do health damage after the shield gate breaks).  You should only lose one "tick" of the DOT damage to the shield gate.

 

Second, you used a weak-ass Quarian with weak-ass Quarian weapon passives and didn't even take the maximum possible weapon damage.  A simple human character with strong Human weapons passives and Gear that boosts shotgun damage 12-15% will do about 4000 damage with a single Claymore shot, including the DOT damage from the Incendiary Ammo.  Should be enough to OSK almost any Gold mook other than a Hunter, Phantom, or Possessed Captain.  Slap Disruptor Ammo or Warp Ammo (against Collectors) on the Claymore and you will OSK most things too.

[Quarian Master Race]

Well, first - you forgot the 800 or so damage that the Incendiary ammo will do (which, unlike other ammo,will do health damage after the shield gate breaks).  You should only lose one "tick" of the DOT damage to the shield gate.

 

Second, you used a weak-ass Quarian with weak-ass Quarian weapon passives and didn't even take the maximum possible weapon damage.  A simple human character with strong Human weapons passives and Gear that boosts shotgun damage 12-15% will do about 4000 damage with a single Claymore shot, including the DOT damage from the Incendiary Ammo.  Should be enough to OSK almost any Gold mook other than a Hunter, Phantom, or Possessed Captain.  Slap Disruptor Ammo or Warp Ammo (against Collectors) on the Claymore and you will OSK most things too.

No I didn't forget the incendiary's 824 damage without cryo or 1030 with it, it is added into my calculations. I didn't account for any effects of glitched stacking, but that's because it is pretty much impossible, though would be rather negligible on the only 3-4 pellets that are actually hitting health. Switch over to AP IV ammo for the exact same results if you like.

Considering most people skip later weapon passives entirely on non weapons platforms (espeically in lieu of rank 4 capacity, which is pretty crucial for Claymoar builds) for useless crap like fitness, and no one uses the gear weapon amps because 15%+ additive weapon damage is nothing, I'd say it's pretty representative. Without debuffs, or weapon damage buffing powers, Claymoar isn't killing shielded mooks in one bodyshot.

but here you go Human Engineer with the same build. It doesn't have a debuff, so it isn't getting a OHK bodyshot on anything the quarian won't without casting Overload (which also has a longer cooldown than CB). With 5% more additive damage, she does a whopping 82 more damage per shot. Such impressive. Very better. Wow. The quarian has 10% more incinerate damage to compensate anyway.

If you don't mind tanking your overload cooldown to like 7 seconds and losing so much overload damage that you can no longer strip Nemesis, scumbag Hunter or Collector mook barriers in one shot, while simulatneously losing all the other nice gear benefits for the shotgun amp as well, you can take full human weapon passives of 27.5% to get a shot that does 4079 damage.....or 453 damage less than the Cryo Debuffed shot from the quarian that I already explained is barely killing in one hit even in absolutely perfect conditions (all 8 pellets hit). I won't do the math on that one because that is a pretty dumb idea for a build, but suffice it to say it isn't reliably bodyshotting much of anything but health mooks. Keep in mind I could also take the quarian up to 22.5% weapon damage with a similar build, and we already know that the difference in 5% of additive weapon damage is only 82 points.

You should L2math before foolishly insulting quarians. Getting reliable OHK's on gold mooks with the claymore requires either weapon damage bonus boosting powers, debuffs, or some pellets hitting the head, and even then you usually need to land all or the vast majority of them in most circumstances, which normally doesn't happen beyond very short ranges.

You make a good point on the antishield ammo helping a great deal, but it has other tradeoffs as well that usually makes the build less effective overall in other areas (namely armor DPS).

TL;DR no; passives are pretty meh and don't really do a whole lot of anything on a human vs a quarian no matter which way you go. Fair point on ammo, though.

[wass12]

[complains about the simplification and dismissal of the Claymore, proceeds to the simplification and dismissal of the Reegar]

First, let me get this straight: the Reegar does not emits dairy products, and the Claymore neither shoots buckshot, nor sounds like flatulence.

 

Second, "getting in range and pouring" is great way to get pulverized by Primes or roasted by Pyros. Using RHA, dispersing enemies by tactical retreat and doubling back, exploiting the breaks between staggering attacks are necessary to get results with the Reegar - even if they are not unique to it.

 

Third, if the Reegar requires less skill (more like requires ones that are easier to learn, IMO), wouldn't that make it the better gun? (As I explained in my earlier post.) A gun that everyone can use is useful (=good) for everyone, even for the "skilled" minority, while a gun that only a minority can use is a bad gun for everyone else. Unless... what is members of that minority feel insecure about their proficiency as a player? What if they select a specific skill, one that can be only improved not by learning, but through vast time investment and repetition, and declare it the pinnacle of all skills? What if they use it to establish a hierarchy, with themselves on top, so they can look down on those who can't or unwilling to make said investment? They would, naturally, dismiss and badmouth anything that doesn't fit into their hierarchy, that let's people without said skill achieve comparable results. Sounds familiar?

[Deerber]

Practicality is an important, if not the most important aspect of a weapon's quality. High damage or awesome animations don't matter too much if you can't hit the enemy or keep getting killed while trying to reload. Lack of practicality makes using the weapon, at best, a novelty or a self-imposed challenge.
That is, unless you rate weapons not by how efficiently/quickly/safely/conveniently they can kill enemies, but by some loosely defined "awesomeness" factor. Even then, that brings the Claymore up against the Reegar carbine. And while the Claymore can kill lesser enemies in a single trigger press, the Reegar can evaporate them with armor-piercing incendiary lightning. ARMOR-PIERCING INCENDIARY LIGHTNING! (Oh, and it's DPS blows the Claymore out of the water too.)

To be fair, these two require a very different skillset and playstyle. The Claymore is all about twitch aiming and executing what is basically a very boring QTE. The Reegar doesn't give a flying f*** about the player's reaction time. Instead it rewards knowledge (and prediction) of enemy behavior, proper positioning and use of tactics to "juggle" enemies. You may consider these skills lesser to twitch aiming, but if you really think that reaction time is the pinnacle of all skills gaming related... well, I consider that the real scrubbery.

Scrub spotted.

[Deerber]

Claymore and Wraith are both easy to aim and score headshots with, they deal huge damage, are not susceptible to bad effects of lag like the projectile weapons, and accurate even at range. Shotguns in general are some of the least skill intensive and easiest guns in this game to use. I like both, and will use both, though I'd be far from calling either my favorite and in fact think they both can get quite boring if I use them across a wide range of kits.

That aside, even if using the Claymore were some great exercise in "skill", the vocal minority that hates the Claymore or generally prefers the wraith contains some of the best players of this game. I don't think not being "skilled" enough to use the Claymore is the problem.

Well, that depends on what you mean by "skilled". If my definition of skill is how much someone uses the High Lord, then well... They're gonna be real scrubs

[Miniditka77]

No I didn't forget the incendiary's 824 damage without cryo or 1030 with it, it is added into my calculations. I didn't account for any effects of glitched stacking, but that's because it is pretty much impossible, though would be rather negligible on the only 3-4 pellets that are actually hitting health. Switch over to AP IV ammo for the exact same results if you like.

Considering most people skip later weapon passives entirely on non weapons platforms (espeically in lieu of rank 4 capacity, which is pretty crucial for Claymoar builds) for useless crap like fitness, and no one uses the gear weapon amps because 15%+ additive weapon damage is nothing, I'd say it's pretty representative. Without debuffs, or weapon damage buffing powers, Claymoar isn't killing shielded mooks in one bodyshot.

but here you go Human Engineer with the same build. It doesn't have a debuff, so it isn't getting a OHK bodyshot on anything the quarian won't without casting Overload (which also has a longer cooldown than CB). With 5% more additive damage, she does a whopping 82 more damage per shot. Such impressive. Very better. Wow. The quarian has 10% more incinerate damage to compensate anyway.

If you don't mind tanking your overload cooldown to like 7 seconds and losing so much overload damage that you can no longer strip Nemesis, scumbag Hunter or Collector mook barriers in one shot, while simulatneously losing all the other nice gear benefits for the shotgun amp as well, you can take full human weapon passives of 27.5% to get a shot that does 4079 damage.....or 453 damage less than the Cryo Debuffed shot from the quarian that I already explained is barely killing in one hit even in absolutely perfect conditions (all 8 pellets hit). I won't do the math on that one because that is a pretty dumb idea for a build, but suffice it to say it isn't reliably bodyshotting much of anything but health mooks. Keep in mind I could also take the quarian up to 22.5% weapon damage with a similar build, and we already know that the difference in 5% of additive weapon damage is only 82 points.

You should L2math before foolishly insulting quarians. Getting reliable OHK's on gold mooks with the claymore requires either weapon damage bonus boosting powers, debuffs, or some pellets hitting the head, and even then you usually need to land all or the vast majority of them in most circumstances, which normally doesn't happen beyond very short ranges.

TL;DR no; passives are pretty meh and don't really do a whole lot of anything on a human vs a quarian no matter which way you go

 

Obviously I was trolling you with the Quarian bashing, all the Quarian kits are awesome.  Anyway...

 

You absolutely are ignoring the Incendiary ammo damage, because the ammo damage from ALL the pellets are going to apply to the enemies' health (minus the first "tick" of course). 

 

Putting AP ammo on the Claymore doesn't have the same effect, because all of the AP ammo will hit the enemies' shield/barrier and do no damage.  Put Incendiary Ammo on your HE build, and it will do the 3500 damage required to kill the Centurion (with the DOT).  Put a few more weapons passives and gear bonus on him, and it will easily kill that Centurion.

 

And whoever said that we were only talking about power classes?  I was simply trying to prove that the Claymore is capable of OSK on most Gold mooks without bonuses like AR or Cloak, and without using some crazy build.

[Deerber]

Obviously I was trolling you with the Quarian bashing, all the Quarian kits are awesome. Anyway...

You absolutely are ignoring the Incendiary ammo damage, because the ammo damage from ALL the pellets are going to apply to the enemies' health (minus the first "tick" of course).

Putting AP ammo on the Claymore doesn't have the same effect, because all of the AP ammo will hit the enemies' shield/barrier and do no damage. Put Incendiary Ammo on your HE build, and it will do the 3500 damage required to kill the Centurion (with the DOT). Put a few more weapons passives and gear bonus on him, and it will easily kill that Centurion.

And whoever said that we were only talking about power classes? I was simply trying to prove that the Claymore is capable of OSK on most Gold mooks without bonuses like AR or Cloak, and without using some crazy build.

It's pretty simple: a kill by incendiary dot isn't a OHK. The guy is still there. You're also assuming that you will connect 8 pellets, which I'd say happens in about 20% of my shots in real matching situations. And Amonkira knows you can't consistently be closer to the enemy than I am

To get a OHK with a Claymore on the body you need either a HUGE weapon damage boost (TCP, TC, AR...), a strong debuff (which is pretty much the same thing), or a crazy and inefficient build, PLUS you absolutely need to connect 8 pellets.

In real gaming situations, that's just not gonna happen a lot. At all.

Edit: Also no, if you put AP ammo on the Claymore you still get the ammo damage on health for the last pellets.

[Darth Volus]

^ Carrier scurb spotted, preaching about the High Lord Claymore   

 

"leaves quickly, before geting accused of TinCan scrubbery"

[._.]

It's pretty simple: a kill by incendiary dot isn't a OHK. The guy is still there. You're also assuming that you will connect 8 pellets, which I'd say happens in about 20% of my shots in real matching situations. And Amonkira knows you can't consistently be closer to the enemy than I am

To get a OHK with a Claymore on the body you need either a HUGE weapon damage boost (TCP, TC, AR...), a strong debuff (which is pretty much the same thing), or a crazy and inefficient build, PLUS you absolutely need to connect 8 pellets.

In real gaming situations, that's just not gonna happen a lot. At all.

Edit: Also no, if you put AP ammo on the Claymore you still get the ammo damage on health for the last pellets.

this this this so much this

[wass12]

Scrub spotted.

Sigh. Do you even read my post? 

 

For the record, my go-to easy to use general purpose shotgun is the Piranha, not the Reegar. The Reegar is not suited for every most playstyles/kits, AS I ALREADY EXPLAINED.

[Darth Volus]

Sigh. Do you even read my post? 

 

For the record, my go-to easy to use general purpose shotgun is the Piranha, not the Reegar. The Reegar is not suited for every playstyle/kit, AS I ALREADY EXPLAINED.

 

Reading posts on BSN before posting? I can't even 

[Miniditka77]

It's pretty simple: a kill by incendiary dot isn't a OHK. The guy is still there. You're also assuming that you will connect 8 pellets, which I'd say happens in about 20% of my shots in real matching situations. And Amonkira knows you can't consistently be closer to the enemy than I am

To get a OHK with a Claymore on the body you need either a HUGE weapon damage boost (TCP, TC, AR...), a strong debuff (which is pretty much the same thing), or a crazy and inefficient build, PLUS you absolutely need to connect 8 pellets.

In real gaming situations, that's just not gonna happen a lot. At all.

 

Well if that's the criteria we're using, then I guess the Claymore can't OSK.  I didn't know that particular rule.  It will OSK with Disruptor Ammo, which I often use with the Claymore (esp. on the Batarian and Krogan Soldiers, my favorite Claymore classes).

 

Also, if you're going to go "practical" - yes, all 8 pellets don't usually connect.  But if you aim center mass with a Claymore, you're also going to get a couple of pellets hitting the head.  So maybe that's not a "body shot," but you can't have it both ways if you're going to talk "practical."  A OSK with the Wraith requires most of the pellets to hit the head in the same situation.  OSK with the Claymore is much easier, especially from mid-range, than with the Wraith.  Regardless, I was talking about capability, not "what you can repeat with 100% confidence in game situations."  My point is that the Claymore CAN one-shot Gold mooks.

 

Anyway, are we in Bizarro world?  Why am I the one defending the Claymore to you?  Isn't that like preaching to the Pope?  

[wass12]

Well, that depends on what you mean by "skilled". If my definition of skill is how much someone uses the High Lord, then well... They're gonna be real scrubs

First, calling a post that denounces glorifying a single playstyle above all else scrub... then a profound insight on how people use circular logic justify glorifying a single playstyle above all else. I wonder if this was intentional.

[TheNightSlasher]

Also, if you're going to go "practical" - yes, all 8 pellets don't usually connect.  But if you aim center mass with a Claymore, you're also going to get a couple of pellets hitting the head.  So maybe that's not a "body shot," but you can't have it both ways if you're going to talk "practical."  A OSK with the Wraith requires most of the pellets to hit the head in the same situation.  OSK with the Claymore is much easier, especially from mid-range, than with the Wraith.  Regardless, I was talking about capability, not "what you can repeat with 100% confidence in game situations."  My point is that the Claymore CAN one-shot Gold mooks.

Very good point. Claymore can, doesn't mean it always will. 

 

It requires all pellets to hit but if they do, the OSK potential is pretty high. And pellet spread is independent of player skill. All I need to do is put the reticule on the enemy, which is pretty much the norm for most guns. I reluctantly put the claymore on a QFE and was able to kill most mooks with a single shot (all pellets hitting) - some needed incendiary DoT but I'm still using just one shot.

 

Now that I have used claymore on the QFE, I need to do an acolyte krogan solo to feel better.

[JGDD]

Now that I have used claymore on the QFE, I need to do an acolyte krogan solo to feel better.

Bathing in ravager goo also works.

[Darth Volus]

Very good point. Claymore can, doesn't mean it always will. 

 

It requires all pellets to hit but if they do, the OSK potential is pretty high. And pellet spread is independent of player skill. All I need to do is put the reticule on the enemy, which is pretty much the norm for most guns. I reluctantly put the claymore on a QFE and was able to kill most mooks with a single shot (all pellets hitting) - some needed incendiary DoT but I'm still using just one shot.

 

Now that I have used claymore on the QFE, I need to do an acolyte krogan solo to feel better.

 

[Quarian Master Race]

First, let me get this straight: the Reegar does not emits dairy products, and the Claymore neither shoots buckshot, nor sounds like flatulence.

How would you know that? I'm Admiral Xen. I invented the Reegar. It can shoot whatever I say, and I say it shoots superheated, electrically charged sharp Canadian white cheddar. Now that's canon. Suck it.

Claymoar shoots buckshot by ME standards, seeing as it is for killing medium-large game like krogan, and not vermin or pests like pyjaks and toasters (although it does work quite well on the latter). I imagine that it sounds like the flatulence of a Norse god, not that I have ever personally heard Odin fart. Either way, both were entirely figures of speech (except for the Reegar, which actually does fire cheese).

Second, "getting in range and pouring" is great way to get pulverized by Primes or roasted by Pyros. Using RHA, dispersing enemies by tactical retreat and doubling back, exploiting the breaks between staggering attacks are necessary to get results with the Reegar - even if they are not unique to it.

How is a prime or Pyro going to "pulverize" you if you are a stagger immune, DR stacking to the point of being literally invincible tank like the Proguard/Batguard or are impossible to see in the approach because of cloak (and are also invincible if you used AIU, TGI or a volus with shieldboost), at least before you have melted it into a cheesy paste suitable for spreading on crackers? The lolpyro in particular is going to be staggered by the huge spike damage to its shields and then immediately melted long before it can recover, and even if it weren't it is going to die in a tenth of a second before it can do anything with its weak flamer, so it's not as if it even matters that it can see you coming or how tough your build is.

Don't patronize to me. I've done the Reegar's challenge a dozen and a half times by now, and not on the braindead easy, impossible to die tank classes or weapon platform winfiltrators. I use it only on the QFE with no fitness and on a QFI melee build (where it is hardly ever fired), and it is still retarded easy. Slap on AM3- Run up to enemy (possibly debuff with the QFE if it is a boss)- hold trigger to win. If it isn't that easy, you're simply doing something wrong. There is a reason it has the reputation it has.

 

Third, if the Reegar requires less skill (more like requires ones that are easier to learn, IMO), wouldn't that make it the better gun? (As I explained in my earlier post.) A gun that everyone can use is useful (=good) for everyone, even for the "skilled" minority, while a gun that only a minority can use is a bad gun for everyone else. Unless... what is members of that minority feel insecure about their proficiency as a player? What if they select a specific skill, one that can be only improved not by learning, but through vast time investment and repetition, and declare it the pinnacle of all skills? What if they use it to establish a hierarchy, with themselves on top, so they can look down on those who can't or unwilling to make said investment? They would, naturally, dismiss and badmouth anything that doesn't fit into their hierarchy, that let's people without said skill achieve comparable results. Sounds familiar?

No, see the analogy between the moped and race bike. Easier to use=/= better. Krysae is probably the easiest to use gun in the game, but it is utter shite compared to the Black Widow.

The Reegar is the "better" gun because its mathematical sustained DPS is literally more than 3x higher than the next closest weapon (Raider, a gun with a shorter effective range on all but a few kits, mind you) before you even factor in that it also benefits more from the incendiary glitch than any other weapon. For comparison the DPS difference between the Reegar and that next closest gun (Raider) is proportionately larger than the difference between the Raider and the "totally not anywhere near next closest" Katana. (316% vs 282% difference). It's hilariously broken in comparison to everything else available to the point that it trivilizes the game on any character with any build, and completely breaks the game on characters that suit it well (Vanguards, for instance). Anyone who tries to convince themselves otherwise is utterly delusional and should probably stop using it immediately.

"Insecure about their proficiency"




In case you hadn't noticed this discussion is all a giant gong show mostly between two opposite sides of the very good players who bother to post on a forum for a 3 year old game. I don't actually find the Claymore or any gun in this game difficult to use and I doubt any of the other Disciples of the High Lord in this thread do either. Comparatively to other weapons that require even less involvement, yes it's more difficult, but no, for someone who is good at the game hitting another button 1.97 seconds after you shoot and not missing all the time isn't hard.

The rest of your cod psychoanalysis sounds of someone who is mad that they aren't as good at the game as people who use Claymoar. Don't worry, superior video game skills are pointless unless you can parley them into a career, which no one here does because this game is not competitive.

[Caineghis2500]

Now that I have used claymore on the QFE, I need to do an acolyte krogan solo to feel better.

Yer quite the virtually vindictive individual aren't you? The amount of butthurt that this thread has aroused within you is beyond my comprehension looooooooooooooooool   

[The NightMan Cometh]

Why is this thread actually getting serious?

[The NightMan Cometh]

Reading posts on BSN before posting? I can't even 

 

I am very guilty of ^^^^^^^^^.  Alot of the times I will just read the threads title..and go to bottom to start typing my post before I even know what the thread is really about.

[Quarian Master Race]

Don't mention Moto GP bikes and scrub arguments in the same post, my nerves can't stand it. Not sure Rossi was right to actually voice his allegations against Marquez but he certainly has a point. Overheating front tyre my arse.

 

Um, yeah, sorry.... CLAYMOAR!!!

Missed this. Yeah, we all saw the race Marky Mark. Don't feed us that bag of mince.

I wonder if Dorna is involved in this odd turn of events somehow as well. Spanish organizer promoting its own national program's riders.....noo  .

Still, If Vale would stop riding like a granny in points collection mode he wouldn't really have as much of a problem. I get the strategy, but he's really not far enough ahead to be finishing anywhere but right behind George. He's on the same bike, so he should be able to do it if he really deserves that 8th GP title.

[TheNightSlasher]

Yer quite the virtually vindictive individual aren't you? The amount of butthurt that this thread has aroused within you is beyond my comprehension looooooooooooooooool   

Yes, I am soo butthurt. This is also the first thread where I talked trash about claymore.

 

You clearly haven't seen me post about claymore, have you? 

 

[Caineghis2500]

Yes, I am soo butthurt. This is also the first thread where I talked trash about claymore.

 

You clearly haven't seen me post about claymore, have you? 

This isn't about the claymore you should know this. It's about your vindictive references. We both and others know what you were doing