27 réponses à ce sujet

[hedop85]

I have already voiced my questions about this with the EA support chat and was told that currently there is nothing in place that would allow this but I should voice my concerns here and hopefully something will be implemented.

 

My problem is this. I bought DA: I Standard for around 50 Euro back 2 weeks or so before it's release. That was almost a year ago. I did not wait for reviews or the likes because I am a huge fan of the Dragon Age franchise and Bioware and enjoy their games tremendously. Now however I am faced with something of a kick to the balls, if you excuse my french, financially because I basically was a moron. Dragon Age: Inquisition was just released as a GOTY Edition 2 weeks ago which includes all DLC (including the major ones). The same package would cost me 65 Euro (14,99 each for the 3 major DLC's, 5 for the smaller ones plus another 10 to upgrade to the deluxe edition) bringing my total spend for the game to a whopping 115 Euro. I think that is unacceptable.

 

So I would strongly ask an offer to be introduced that allows an upgrade to the GOTY version for people who purchased the standard version of the game. I don't expect it to be free, I don't mind paying the difference of 10-15 Euro that it has to the version I originally bought. But it can't and shouldn't be a policy to treat customers that way and say: Well it's your fault that you bought the game pre-release or shortly after the release and believed in us and what we do and spend good money on it, we will now make you pay through the nose to get what anybody else who waited a year get's for what you spend a year ago plus 10 Euro. That is not fair, that is not right and that is not how customers should be treated.

 

In closing I would like to say that I really hope someone from distribution EA/Bioware whoever reads this and that there will something be done about it because otherwise I will have to strongly consider ever buying any Bioware game pre-release again and rather wait a year for the GOTY edition or maybe even longer for the GOTSY Edition to drop to 30 Bucks. I doubt Bioware or EA would be thrilled about that because if everyone did that than the game would probably be a flop. So I really hope something is done about that.

 

 

[United Servo Academy Choir]

 

I have already voiced my questions about this with the EA support chat and was told that currently there is nothing in place that would allow this but I should voice my concerns here and hopefully something will be implemented.

 

My problem is this. I bought DA: I Standard for around 50 Euro back 2 weeks or so before it's release. That was almost a year ago. I did not wait for reviews or the likes because I am a huge fan of the Dragon Age franchise and Bioware and enjoy their games tremendously. Now however I am faced with something of a kick to the balls, if you excuse my french, financially because I basically was a moron. Dragon Age: Inquisition was just released as a GOTY Edition 2 weeks ago which includes all DLC (including the major ones). The same package would cost me 65 Euro (14,99 each for the 3 major DLC's, 5 for the smaller ones plus another 10 to upgrade to the deluxe edition) bringing my total spend for the game to a whopping 115 Euro. I think that is unacceptable.

 

So I would strongly ask an offer to be introduced that allows an upgrade to the GOTY version for people who purchased the standard version of the game. I don't expect it to be free, I don't mind paying the difference of 10-15 Euro that it has to the version I originally bought. But it can't and shouldn't be a policy to treat customers that way and say: Well it's your fault that you bought the game pre-release or shortly after the release and believed in us and what we do and spend good money on it, we will now make you pay through the nose to get what anybody else who waited a year get's for what you spend a year ago plus 10 Euro. That is not fair, that is not right and that is not how customers should be treated.

 

In closing I would like to say that I really hope someone from distribution EA/Bioware whoever reads this and that there will something be done about it because otherwise I will have to strongly consider ever buying any Bioware game pre-release again and rather wait a year for the GOTY edition or maybe even longer for the GOTSY Edition to drop to 30 Bucks. I doubt Bioware or EA would be thrilled about that because if everyone did that than the game would probably be a flop. So I really hope something is done about that.

 

 

 

I think that GOTY versions have been offering much more value for their cost for many, many years now. You need DAI and Bioware to convince you of this all of a sudden? Every publisher releases GOTY editions, and they are always a better deal.

 

There will always be people who are willing to pay the cost of early adoption, and there will always be people who wait.

 

 

A DLC bundle wouldn't be a bad idea, though. At least it goes on sale fairly regularly.

[hedop85]

Well if we would all wait for GOTY Edition there wouldn't be any because no one would buy the original game. So there have to be players, like me, who buy the game when it comes out so there is no reason to punish us for that. It wouldn't hurt them to offer us the upgrade for 15 Euro or so and it would be good business because they wouldn't seem like a greedy bunch and guys like me wouldn't feel like they get the same treatment as lepers do.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

There are lots of players who do that, myself included. We got to play the game when it came out instead of waiting a year or more. We weren't punished. You just need to weigh your desire to play a game at release versus waiting. Some I buy at release - some I wait for. And around we go.

 

And all I'm saying is that if you take EA to task for this, you need to do the same with every. Other. Publisher. Because they all release GOTY versions of some of their games, and they're always a better deal.

[hedop85]

I do the same to everyone. And again: without players buying the game at release there would be no DLC and no GOTY edition. Since The GOTY edition aims at players who not yet own the game there should be a possibility for an upgrade for people who bought the base version of the game at the release. Why? Because it would be greedy to have them pkay 65 bucks to get the same stuff that others get for 60 even though they have already spend 50 bucks or more on the game and because their sales made the success of the game and every DLC and GOTY edition financially possible. So of course they should get to upgrade for a small fee.

 

It's such a stupid argument to say: well wait until GOTY is released. If everyone waits there will be no GOTY what you are saying is: well sorry that you are all idiots who put up the money that funded the DLCs and the GOTY edition, should have waited but since you didn't EA is justified in screwing you over.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Ok.

[Realmzmaster]

Actually the money that the buyers of the standard edition and the deluxe edition paid for the development of those editions. 

Dlc has a separate budget allocated to it and has to be in planning before most of the sales for the base game are even known. So Jaws of Hakkon, Descent and Trespasser and the other two minor ones were already in development in some form or another, which is one of the reasons there was some dlc for DA2. If Bioware/EA had known the actual sales for DA2, probably no dlc would have seen the light of day. The only reason (IMHO) that dlc came out was to get back the development cost.

The expansion on the other hand was killed, since it would cost much more to developed the expansion than the dlc and any additional dlc was shelved.

 

The money from the sales of games does not flow back to the division that made the game. All money goes into the general hopper and is allocated based on the design plans and what the division thinks it needs for each product.

 

If the sales of Jaws of Hakkon were not good I doubt that Descent or Trespasser would have been produced. So it is not just the buyers of the standard or deluxe editions, but also all the gamers who bought the dlc that made the GOTY possible and any potential upgrade.

[hedop85]

If it's wasn't financially viable to produce DLC's because there were enough sales on the basegame they would not release them and sell them simple as that. Sure they started developement on it, obviously didn't mention it but nevertheless, yet if guys like me hadn't bought the game from the start it would not have made economic sense to develope the DLC's and sell them. There is a break even point for any product and a DLC depends on the base game having sold enough units so that there is a possibility to reach that break even point.

 

I just don't get why all of you are like: oh no, no upgrade for people who invested in the game from the start. That's just wrong. Those people are stupid because they didn't wait for the GOTY and deserve not to get anything. What on earth is your problem? How would it be bad to say: Thx to the people who bought the game before GOTY came out. You made that success possible so here you: you can upgrade to the GOTY edition for a minor fee. Enjoy it and thanks again. How would that not be right and fair?

[Realmzmaster]

If it's wasn't financially viable to produce DLC's because there were enough sales on the basegame they would not release them and sell them simple as that. Sure they started developement on it, obviously didn't mention it but nevertheless, yet if guys like me hadn't bought the game from the start it would not have made economic sense to develope the DLC's and sell them. There is a break even point for any product and a DLC depends on the base game having sold enough units so that there is a possibility to reach that break even point.

 

I just don't get why all of you are like: oh no, no upgrade for people who invested in the game from the start. That's just wrong. Those people are stupid because they didn't wait for the GOTY and deserve not to get anything. What on earth is your problem? How would it be bad to say: Thx to the people who bought the game before GOTY came out. You made that success possible so here you: you can upgrade to the GOTY edition for a minor fee. Enjoy it and thanks again. How would that not be right and fair?

 

How is that upgrade process fair to the gamers who supported the company by buying the base game and all the dlc at release? So you made a choice to buy the base game (and support Bioware) and not buy the dlc (thereby not supporting BIoware through the year).

 

Now that Bioware issues a GOTY edition those who chose not to buy the dlc want to jump on the wagon by asking for an upgrade. How is that fair?

[hedop85]

I already stated in another thread that they should get a code for a real discount. On the other hand... can you blame anyone for not investing the same amount of money that the basegame cost again?

[United Servo Academy Choir]

I already stated in another thread that they should get a code for a real discount. On the other hand... can you blame anyone for not investing the same amount of money that the basegame cost again?

 

Even if they should do that, can you point to many precedents where a game dev has offered such a thing other than as reparation for a severe screw up? Most businesses aren't that altruistic, sadly. Again, EA is neither more nor less awful than others in this respect (and I contend that there are many that are worse - Activision and Ubisoft come quickly to mind, and Konami is trying their darndest to catch up). You are excoriating them for something that literally every other developer and publisher does, and then sometimes in a far more predatory fashion at that.

 

If you enjoyed the game and were interested in the DLCs, you bought the game, then 6 months later you maybe spent another 15 bucks, and then a few months later, you might have dropped another 15 bucks. You didn't drop a wad all at once, you did a little bit gradually, over the course of the year and the normal pursuit of your leisure activities. And in my case, those three story DLCs easily add up to another game and a very favorable dollar to hours played ratio. Together, they gave me an additional 35 or so hours, and that's just once through each. They'll be there on all future playthroughs as well.

 

If you didn't approach it that way, well... you'll probably be able to get those DLCs for 30% or more off from Origin, because they actually do go on sale, and have done so frequently in the last several months. You have yet to acknowledge this as on option, which makes me suspect that its inconvenient for you to do so.

 

You should also continue to advocate for a DLC bundle or a game upgrade, because those are good things to advocate for. Maybe just tone it down, because if your posts ridiculous, people will likely treat them accordingly.

[Realmzmaster]

I already stated in another thread that they should get a code for a real discount. On the other hand... can you blame anyone for not investing the same amount of money that the basegame cost again?

 

A real discount on what? If the gamer has already bought the base game and all dlc over the year what is Bioware/EA going to give them a discount on? DA4 or some other Bioware game like ME4?

[United Servo Academy Choir]

A real discount on what? If the gamer has already bought the base game and dlc over the year what is Bioware/EA going to give them a discount on? DA4 or some other Bioware game like ME4?

 

I believe that's what this poster is angling for. And that would be terrific. I would also like a pony.

 

For my part, I believe that such a thing certainly would have been appropriate for old gen gamers, though to their credit they did carry over purchased DLC and develop a tool to port their save games to a new gen system. That ain't nothin.

[Realmzmaster]

I believe that's what this poster is angling for. And that would be terrific. I would also like a pony.

 

For my part, I believe that such a thing thing certainly would have been appropriate for old gen gamers, though to their credit they did carry over purchased DLC and develop a tool to port their save games to a new gen system. That ain't nothin.

 

I agree that a discount for the old gen gamers would be appropriate if they choose to upgrade to a PS4 or XBOX One.

 

I pre-ordered and bought the Collector's version of DAO and then bought the Awakening expansion upon release.

 

I did not buy any of the dlc for DAO because it did not appeal to me at the time. The DAO UE came out at $59.99. I did not buy the UE until is was well below the price of all the dlc for DAO combined. .

 

I also do not remember DAO having an upgrade option for the dlc when the DAO UE was released.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

We've bought DAO like four separate times now. Sigh.

[GithCheater]

 

Now that Bioware issues a GOTY edition those who chose not to buy the dlc want to jump on the wagon by asking for an upgrade. How is that fair?

 

As an early adopter, you have been able to use the deluxe upgrade and most DLC for over four months.  That is how it is fair.

 

How is it fair that DAI is selling for less than half list price, but the DLC and Deluxe upgrade is still at list price?

 

How is it fair that the DAI Deluxe upgrade and all DLC costs $65, but tthe GotY costs less at $60?

[Realmzmaster]

As an early adopter, you have been able to use the deluxe upgrade and most DLC for over four months.  That is how it is fair.

 

How is it fair that DAI is selling for less than half list price, but the DLC and Deluxe upgrade is still at list price?

 

How is it fair that the DAI Deluxe upgrade and all DLC costs $65, but tthe GotY costs less at $60?

 

Ahh! But if you bought the standard or deluxe game as most people have when released you had the same opportunity to purchase the dlc upon release and choose not to. That is a choice those people made. Now since the GOTY edition is out they are complaining because someone else is getting a better deal. That is capitalism and how the free market works.

 

The dlc and Deluxe edition upgrade selling at list price is completely fair because Bioware/EA decides when and if a sale or reduction in price will occur and if an upgrade bundle should or should not be available. They are separate products that depend on the base game but are priced independent of the base game.

 

The same with the GOTY edition it is considered a different product because it is a bundle aimed at people who decide to forego being an early adopter of the game or are newcomers who interest has been peeked.

 

If ask once again how is it fair to the gamer who supported the company along buying the standard or deluxe edition and all the dlc? Who made the GOTY edition possible and any possible upgrade?

 

For example Bethesda just issued the Fallout Anthology which contains Fallout 1,2,3 (Game of the year edition), Fallout New Vegas (Game of the year edition) and Tactics. I guess I should be on their website complaining where is my upgrade to the Anthology edition.

 

Becuase newcomers to Fallout are getting a much better deal than I got.

[hedop85]

That's apples and oranges... You can and could buy Fallout 1 and 2 for 1 Dollar over the last 10 years on several occasions. Fallout 3 is 7 years old so again... if you didn't get it for a 5er some time on steam...then you will in a week or two. Fallout New Vegas same thing. I would probably be pissed about Dragon Age Anthology instead of a DLC Bundle cause I already own DA:O Ultimate and DA2 including all DLC and DA:I so what the hell do I need and anthology for? But we are talking about a game which isn't even a year old and spawned a DLC for it's core game more or less recently and which, judging my the prices on Origin for any crap no matter how old and shitty, will probably not drop that far down pricewise.

 

Like I said several times. Have an upgrade which is affordable (15 Euro) and offer to people who invested 110 bucks into this game either a discount of 50% (that's usually around 15 bucks for a AAA game which means roughly 2 DLC) on any game they choose including ones fresh of the block with the code not bound to a specific date OR give them Bioware stuff they might not have. How about 3 DLC for ME3, how about the Mass Effect trilogy? How about a Dragon Age Bundle? Their choice. And how about then saying: sorry guys, our price politic was attrocious. How about we promise not to release DLC's anymore that actually effect the end of the game you bought and not 3 or 5 or 10 for 15 bucks each but how about we release like one big one that comes out around the release of the GOTY edition of the game and will cost roughly 10-15 Dollars more combined with the price of your basegame than the GOTY edition (so GOTY will be 60 bucks and DLC will be 25 buck).

 

Just a suggestion but hey... keep fighting the good fight and keep defending them robbing us on every game they make under the banner of that greedy conglomerate.

[Realmzmaster]

That's apples and oranges... You can and could buy Fallout 1 and 2 for 1 Dollar over the last 10 years on several occasions. Fallout 3 is 7 years old so again... if you didn't get it for a 5er some time on steam...then you will in a week or two. Fallout New Vegas same thing. I would probably be pissed about Dragon Age Anthology instead of a DLC Bundle cause I already own DA:O Ultimate and DA2 including all DLC and DA:I so what the hell do I need and anthology for? But we are talking about a game which isn't even a year old and spawned a DLC for it's core game more or less recently and which, judging my the prices on Origin for any crap no matter how old and shitty, will probably not drop that far down pricewise.

 

Like I said several times. Have an upgrade which is affordable (15 Euro) and offer to people who invested 110 bucks into this game either a discount of 50% (that's usually around 15 bucks for a AAA game which means roughly 2 DLC) on any game they choose including ones fresh of the block with the code not bound to a specific date OR give them Bioware stuff they might not have. How about 3 DLC for ME3, how about the Mass Effect trilogy? How about a Dragon Age Bundle? Their choice. And how about then saying: sorry guys, our price politic was attrocious. How about we promise not to release DLC's anymore that actually effect the end of the game you bought and not 3 or 5 or 10 for 15 bucks each but how about we release like one big one that comes out around the release of the GOTY edition of the game and will cost roughly 10-15 Dollars more combined with the price of your basegame than the GOTY edition (so GOTY will be 60 bucks and DLC will be 25 buck).

 

Just a suggestion but hey... keep fighting the good fight and keep defending them robbing us on every game they make under the banner of that greedy conglomerate.

 

First of all no one is robbing you. You have a choice to buy or not to buy an item. Bioware/EA did not force you to purchase anything. You freely gave them your money. Also you got what you paid for.

 

What Bioware/EA does with supplementary products is up to them. The game you purchased had an ending. Whether you choose to see it as an ending is your choice.

 

Corypheus was defeated which is the ending for Inquisition. What Bioware/EA chooses to do in products that are supplemental to the base game is their call.

 

For example DA2 Legacy sets up Inquisition. So now Trespasser sets up DA4. None of that changes the point that Corypheus was defeated in the base game whether you choose to accept that as the ending is up to you.

 

Bioware/EA has nothing to apologize for in that regards. As far as pricing their products that is also up to them based on their knowledge of their development costs which you or I have no access to.

 

And yes I will continue to voice my opinion. Whether someone reads it or not is not my problem. I do not remember any one getting upset over the Dragon Age Ultimate Edition (which was the equivalent of the GOTY) when it was released at the end of the year.

 

So why is Inquisition any different?

[hedop85]

Because it sucks?

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Because it sucks?

So naturally you're clamoring for all the DLC as opposed to playing a different game that you don't hate, or some other thing that would actually make sense. Does this mean Dutch has multiple sock puppets at once now, as opposed to making new ones as they're banned?

Do you reserve the same level of acrimony for Bethesda? They charge money for their DLC too. They also released a GOTY edition of all their games, but they didn't gift the upgrade to all the poor dumb clods who were coerced into buying a game they wanted to play at release.

If, against all odds, you're actually a sincere poster, I want to suggest - again - that you wait a little while longer. The GOTY just came out a week ago and the last DLC came out last month. This is the period where they understandably stand to make the most money for their work. You've waited this long and you're clearly not that invested, so what's it to you waiting a little bit longer for a sale? JoH was just on sale for 35% off a few weeks ago, and that wasn't remotely the first time. Sometime down the line, you'll probably be able to pick up the GOTY itself for 50% off or more because EA, like every publisher, has sales where they temporarily lower the price of their products.

Since you're grandstanding about the ending and trying to spin consumer practices that are ubiquitous (and occasionally downright beneficial - GOTY editions are awesome for late comers, and lots of publishers do them) as somehow points against EA, I'm left with the impression that you have an axe to grind.

[Realmzmaster]

Because it sucks?

 

If it sucks why do you care? Why would you pay any money for dlc when you think the game sucks? So I can only assume you are complaining for the sake of complaining or have an axe to grind with EA.

 

Since every major publisher I know follows the same practice in regards to GOTY editions.

[hedop85]

Why do I care? Because I would like to have the complete game, even if it sucks, which it does and tbh most people tend to think so especially compared to TW3. But that still does not change the fact that i general I'm a Dragon Age fan, love the lore and the world and though I would have to think really long and hard about buying DA4, I would prefer to at least have the complete game if I ever chose to replay it. I don't think at least Trespasser sucks by the stuff I've seen.

 

I don't have an axe to grind with EA, well I do, but that's not why I think this is a bad policy. It's a bad policy because it is not because EA does it. Every game company who does that is doing the wrong thing in my opinion but that's just me.

 

I don't care about Bethesda. I do not buy their games or invest any money into them. I think Bethesda are probably the reason and, therefore should be punished, that RPG's tended to be either just plain stupid action shite or basically like the sims in leather and fur. I hate a Sandbox. I want a game that has a really tight plot, strong quests that link into each other well and well designed side quests. I don't need open World or massive areas but if you do them do them right. Like take the Hinterlands... even if you did everything it never felt like stuff was going well there. I didn't see caravans, you couldn't repare bridges, people you sort of stood around at the crossroads etc. Why then have such a massive area if all you do is fill that with random stuff and rifts? The Hinterlands could have been a third of their actual size and would have still had enough room for all of that without feeling completely empty. And what about them shards? Lying around everywhere yet no one has picked one up??? And nobody in the whole world has ever thought to try and solve the Astrarium riddles, discovered the cave and taken everything? That actually would have been hilarious if they had done that... have astrariums everywhere, every time the cave is empty and in the last cave you find the guy who has taken all the stuff out of all the caves. But no... it's a filler. Like the Quarry and Logging Stand which then doesn't even get marked on the map. What about the pinging thing that you needed to find stuff because otherwise it would not appear. Why? I mean you can have that sure but if I already see where it is why do I need to ping my way towards it instead of just going there and interacting with it? And what exactly would have been so hard to connect the Stormcoast, the Hinterlands, Crestwood and maybe even the Fallow Mire into one giant area? And why is it, that when the Inquisitor is out and about there is no war table at his mobile headquarter? No shop?`No nothing? But a requisition officer who gives you infinite quests if you let her. And what's the point of wartable missions taking 5-10 hours?

 

I mean you guys... enjoy it by all means but for me this game was the worst simply because of how dead the supposed open world was, that most conversations didn't take place in a closeup of faces like every other game does but standing like 5 metres away so you could barely make out the facial animation... which again makes the game feel so lifeless. Also for such a big game... you were entirely too fast and too easy in gaining your companions trust and they had one major quest... that's not enough. But yeah... it's basically nice and sandboxy with a lot of stupid MMO crap. Also why is it that when I collect metals and minerals I hear the sound of a little pickaxe yet my guy basically takes of the chunk of iron by hand? Why not simply have areas where there are metal rich veines in the stone, you mark them and every now and again you will get a shipment of the stuff.

[United Servo Academy Choir]

Game was the worst yet you desperately want to pay more money for more of it.

Ok

[Realmzmaster]

Obviously it cannot be the worst if you want a "complete" game and want to keep playing it. Otherwise why would you throw more money at it by buying the dlc?