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[Gervaise]

No, his response to your stating "Won't that free the Evanuris?" is "I had plans".   I think he is laughing more at what he had planned for them rather than the impossibility of their return.    I'd like to think he was laughing at himself and the way his plans have a tendency to go wrong but I feel that is too much to hope for as that level of self awareness might prevent him from continuing with his plan to drop the Veil because of an acknowledgement that it is evitable it will backfire.

 

In any case, it has never been explained who he means by Evanuris.   The Dalish have two sets of gods, the Creators and the Forgotten Ones.   They were apparently at war with one another when he intervened.  They believe that both sides trusted him and he could walk safely among them both.    In the case of the Creators we know that was not true because of the warning they give.   From the way he spoke in the Temple of Mythal, his rebellion and subsequent punishment would seem to have been directed at the group known as the Creators.    So what of the Forgotten Ones?    The Dalish believe he shut them away too.    However, may be this was just a side-effect of raising the Veil and not intentional.    So even if the Creators are permanently shut away, the Forgotten Ones may not be.     The Dalish believe the Forgotten Ones were the bad guys.   At least one has been shown not to acknowledge the Creators as gods, just like Solas.    Another text claimed that Andruil was meant to have hunted them in the Void until Mythal stopped her.    So clearly they were not on good terms.   Nor has it been revealed who exactly was responsible for the death of Mythal.    What if he was mistaken and it wasn't the Creators at all?      What if the Dalish were right and the Forgotten Ones really were gods of terror, malice, spite and pestilence that were only held at bay by the Creators?    Even if dropping the Veil didn't destroy the world, letting this group loose would then be very bad news if there was no one powerful enough around to counter them.      What if there were in fact 4 Forgotten Ones = 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse (symbolically since this is a different mythology)?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

My feeling was the Forgotten Ones were the Chaotic Evil rivals of the Lawful Evil Evanuris. And that the Dalish legend was right about Solas locking them both away.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Dumat is Dumah the angel of silence.

[Asha'bellanar]

I think the Tevinter gods were dragon guardians that held a "piece" of each of the elven gods, exactly the way Flemeth/Mythal put a piece of herself in the locket she sent with Hawke to the Free Marches, and exactly the way Corypheus put a piece of himself in the dragon he had with him.

 

The Tevinter gods spoke to their priests in dreams, and then stopped talking to them completely, probably at the same time the Veil was erected. We know that Tevinter was around when the elven empire fell, because they swooped in (nods to Alistair) and scavenged as much as they could of the elven empire collapse, and that collapse was due to the Veil cutting the elves off from their means of transportation (the Eluvians) and most of their gathered knowledge (the great library we see in Trespasser) and other vital support that was directly based on the proximity of the material world to the Fade.

 

Solas does say that there's nothing in lore to connect the gods of his people to the gods of Tevinter, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. He speaks in sort-of-truths all the time, and uses misleading statements that are technically true but not the whole truth. And, he may not know that the gods put parts of themselves into the dragons. He's probably not omnipotent, even if he does know a great deal.

[Gervaise]

From the timeline it would appear that the old gods only started speaking to human mages after the raising of the Veil because the elves had already felt the Quickening (their loss of agelessness).    Tevinter itself wasn't around until much later.    At this time it was just the original Neromenian tribes.    It is likely their rise in power was due to elven artefacts they uncovered in the ruins of the empire but some sources also suggest that it was the elves who taught them about magic, certainly how to use lyrium to enhance their power.   Then it was another 1300 years until Thalsian who is regarded as both the first priest of Dumat and the first to learn blood magic.   The sources are very muddled though (by this I mean WoT timeline) because Barindur was said to have been sunk by Dumat in retribution for a slight to one of his priests, yet this was meant to have occurred 15 years before Thalsian is credited with becoming the 1st priest of Dumat.

 

I'd take anything Solas says now with a pinch of salt.    When he says there is "nothing in lore" to connect the gods of his people with the old gods of Tevinter he could have been equivocating.   It could well be true that there is nothing found in lore to connect the two but that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't a connection; just not one that subsequent generations were aware of.    There has to be some reason why he was so frantic at the prospect of the Grey Wardens heading into the Deep Roads to kill the last of the archdemons.     He is well aware of what they are; he just didn't choose to tell us.