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[Cobra's_back]

After playing The Descent and Trespassers I think the Ancient Elves started the Blight. 

[Reznore57]

It's possible.

They did mess with Titans and something bad happened , and if you believe Dalish myth when Elgar'nan defeated the Sun , there was a period of "darkness" ( a term Flemythal often used for the Blight).

There's an ancient elven mosaic showing Elgar'nan holding down the Sun , and a prayer calling him "Sun killer".

So it seems part of this Dalish myth is true.Although ancient elven lore shows no sign of bad consequences after this.

[Cobra's_back]

It's possible.

They did mess with Titans and something bad happened , and if you believe Dalish myth when Elgar'nan defeated the Sun , there was a period of "darkness" ( a term Flemythal often used for the Blight).

There's an ancient elven mosaic showing Elgar'nan holding down the Sun , and a prayer calling him "Sun killer".

So it seems part of this Dalish myth is true.Although ancient elven lore shows no sign of bad consequences after this.

Thanks. It seems our little ancient elves were not the good guys everyone thought they were (power hungry mad mages).

 

I wonder if the Titans were actually a more stable group? 

[IanPolaris]

That's an interesting notion.  Actually maybe this and the Chantry fable are both true after an extent.  What if the Ancient Elves did start the blight but quickly realized just how bad it could be, and as powerful as they were discovered a way that they could quarantine it (but were not able to destroy it).  Then much, much later a bunch of stupid, power-hungry magisters decide to break that quarantine by entering the golden city.......

[The_Prophet_of_Donk]

That's an interesting notion.  Actually maybe this and the Chantry fable are both true after an extent.  What if the Ancient Elves did start the blight but quickly realized just how bad it could be, and as powerful as they were discovered a way that they could quarantine it (but were not able to destroy it).  Then much, much later a bunch of stupid, power-hungry magisters decide to break that quarantine by entering the golden city.......

That's what I have thought after all the DLC....

Like Obi-Wan states.... (paraphrasing)

"it's true, from a certain point of view"

[Heimdall]

It's possible.

They did mess with Titans and something bad happened , and if you believe Dalish myth when Elgar'nan defeated the Sun , there was a period of "darkness" ( a term Flemythal often used for the Blight).

There's an ancient elven mosaic showing Elgar'nan holding down the Sun , and a prayer calling him "Sun killer".

So it seems part of this Dalish myth is true.Although ancient elven lore shows no sign of bad consequences after this.

I tend to wonder if the whole sun killer myth might actually be related to the Old Gods and Great Dragons.  Dragons breath fire, and they were the greatest of them, right?  And the sun was supposedly imprisoned beneath the earth.  My theory is that Mythal convinced the other Evanuris to free the lesser dragons and keep only the old gods prisoner, which is why her iconography emphasizes dragons more than the others.

 

I'm not sure whether the Blight's origins is connected to the Titans or the Old Gods, but I'm sure its the ancient elves' fault.

[Reznore57]

I tend to wonder if the whole sun killer myth might actually be related to the Old Gods and Great Dragons.  Dragons breath fire, and they were the greatest of them, right?  And the sun was supposedly imprisoned beneath the earth.  My theory is that Mythal convinced the other Evanuris to free the lesser dragons and keep only the old gods prisoner, which is why her iconography emphasizes dragons more than the others.

 

I'm not sure whether the Blight's origins is connected to the Titans or the Old Gods, but I'm sure its the ancient elves' fault.

 

I tend to think the same , though I'm not sure if the dragons would be the "Sun", I think it's like the Titans and the "Stone" perhaps.

 

In some Solas mosaic the sun is shown in the place the golden city is in some of his others mosaics, but there's also some carvings of the sun being underground.

It could explain the relationship between the golden city and the Old Gods , well not really explain I guess , more like hints at.

 

It's also possible the "Sun" (whatever it is ) is related to the idea of the Maker .

The Sun is the symbol of the Chantry , and well Golden City , the Chant of Light , the whole being purified by fire thingie.

Although in Dalish myth the Sun is not the ultimate god ruling all alone , there's also the Earth , it could still fit with the fact the Maker , in theory , didn't create the dwarves.

[leaguer of one]

It's possible.

They did mess with Titans and something bad happened , and if you believe Dalish myth when Elgar'nan defeated the Sun , there was a period of "darkness" ( a term Flemythal often used for the Blight).

There's an ancient elven mosaic showing Elgar'nan holding down the Sun , and a prayer calling him "Sun killer".

So it seems part of this Dalish myth is true.Although ancient elven lore shows no sign of bad consequences after this.

It's a "it's possible."

 

It's pretty clear that the case. Dai hint to it. The dlc hint to it even more. We all but caught the elves red handed.

[leaguer of one]

That's an interesting notion.  Actually maybe this and the Chantry fable are both true after an extent.  What if the Ancient Elves did start the blight but quickly realized just how bad it could be, and as powerful as they were discovered a way that they could quarantine it (but were not able to destroy it).  Then much, much later a bunch of stupid, power-hungry magisters decide to break that quarantine by entering the golden city.......

Correction: A bunch of power hungry Magisters were tricked into breaking the quarantine.

[rocklikeafool]

That's an interesting notion.  Actually maybe this and the Chantry fable are both true after an extent.  What if the Ancient Elves did start the blight but quickly realized just how bad it could be, and as powerful as they were discovered a way that they could quarantine it (but were not able to destroy it).  Then much, much later a bunch of stupid, power-hungry magisters decide to break that quarantine by entering the golden city.......

That's probably closest to what happened, really. And the "Old Gods" were probably incarnations of the Elven gods, who had gone mad after Fen'Harel "loki'ed" the crap out of the Elvish pantheon.

[leaguer of one]

That's probably closest to what happened, really. And the "Old Gods" were probably incarnations of the Elven gods, who had gone mad after Fen'Harel "loki'ed" the crap out of the Elvish pantheon.

I don't know about that. Their is no direct like to the old gods being elven. More so that they are dragon gods of old. In DragonAge: The Silent Grove it talks about great dragons being the first race and that they were sealed way.

[Ranadiel Marius]

It's also possible the "Sun" (whatever it is ) is related to the idea of the Maker .
The Sun is the symbol of the Chantry , and well Golden City , the Chant of Light , the whole being purified by fire thingie.
Although in Dalish myth the Sun is not the ultimate god ruling all alone , there's also the Earth , it could still fit with the fact the Maker , in theory , didn't create the dwarves.

It is extremely likely that at bare minimum the Chantry got their iconography from the Elvhen "sun" stories. I mean just look at this:



Side note, this image still freaks me out. God damn evil feather eyes.

[Cobra's_back]

I don't know about that. Their is no direct like to the old gods being elven. More so that they are dragon gods of old. In DragonAge: The Silent Grove it talks about great dragons being the first race and that they were sealed way.

I remember that. Flemeth's daughter needed Marc's blood to wake them up. I'm pretty sure the Elves caused the blight then quarantine the area.

 

I remember Solas saying the ancient elves almost destroyed the world. 

[Heimdall]

It's also possible the "Sun" (whatever it is ) is related to the idea of the Maker .

The Sun is the symbol of the Chantry , and well Golden City , the Chant of Light , the whole being purified by fire thingie.

Although in Dalish myth the Sun is not the ultimate god ruling all alone , there's also the Earth , it could still fit with the fact the Maker , in theory , didn't create the dwarves.

At the moment, the implication seems to be that the Titans created the dwarves as some sort of immune system or servants.  I think there's also something about the Sun scorching the earth causing Elgar'nan to fight it?  I think the Dalish legend more supports the idea of the Sun representing the Dragons, here portraying them as the instigators of the war, attacking first.  I also seem to remember a codex from the Hissing Wastes suggesting that the thing the dwarves that came to the surface were most afraid of were dragons.  Could this be the origin of their aversion to the surface and the sky?  A Titan ingrained fear of dragons?

 

I'm imagining a primordial Thedas where the Titans dominated the Earth and the dragons dominated everything above.  Then the elves came in.

[Almostfaceman]

After playing The Descent and Trespassers I think the Ancient Elves started the Blight. 

 

Why?

[leaguer of one]

Why?

Seriously?

[Almostfaceman]

Seriously?

 

Yeah, seriously. I don't think it's asking too much to ask someone to explain their reasoning. 

[leaguer of one]

In trespasser you see a mural of a titan being slain.

 

An old memory is on it which states:

 

In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:

 

"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"

 

For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.

The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.

A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.

Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.

A voice whispers:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

 

 

If the decent dlc is done, the quis points out it stated Mythal killing a titan.

[Almostfaceman]

 

In trespasser you see a mural of a titan being slain.

 

An old memory is on it which states:

 

In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:

 

"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"

 

For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.

The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.

A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.

Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.

A voice whispers:

 

"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."

 

 

If the decent dlc is done, the quis points out it stated Mythal killing a titan.

 

 

Not being an expert in lore, is there a close tie to timing in the Tevinters / their exploration of the Golden City and the emergence of the First Blight? I'm wondering why the Chantry thinks there's a connection. 

[Heimdall]

Not being an expert in lore, is there a close tie to timing in the Tevinters / their exploration of the Golden City and the emergence of the First Blight? I'm wondering why the Chantry thinks there's a connection. 

It happened immediately before the outbreak of the First Blight, the same year if the timeline is to be believed.  If you're asking how much of a time lapse there was between the two events, we don't know, but it sounds like it was short.

[leaguer of one]

Not being an expert in lore, is there a close tie to timing in the Tevinters / their exploration of the Golden City and the emergence of the First Blight? I'm wondering why the Chantry thinks there's a connection. 

Yes. the blight happen right after magisters entered the golden city. Hell, Cory himself is the source of that. The thing is the people of morden thedas(mordorn which I mean from the time of ancient tevintor) only know half the story with the blight and golden city. 

[Almostfaceman]

It happened immediately before the outbreak of the First Blight, the same year if the timeline is to be believed.  If you're asking how much of a time lapse there was between the two events, we don't know, but it sounds like it was short.

 

Well that's interesting, so I can see the Chantry's point of view. It doesn't mean I think they're right, but they don't come across as imbecile's either. 

 

I'm not being argumentative, just don't see a direct connection between killing a Titan or Titans and the creation of the Blight. It does seem the Blight is a kind of cancer that can infect a Titan, however. Remnants of a Bio-weapon? 

 

So how would the Magisters contract this bio-weapon if it existed from an altercation between the elves and the Titans? Is the Golden City a contaminated remnant of the elves, a plague waiting to happen?  Just thinking it through, pondering the possibilities. 

[Heimdall]

Well that's interesting, so I can see the Chantry's point of view. It doesn't mean I think they're right, but they don't come across as imbecile's either. 

 

I'm not being argumentative, just don't see a direct connection between killing a Titan or Titans and the creation of the Blight. It does seem the Blight is a kind of cancer that can infect a Titan, however. Remnants of a Bio-weapon? 

 

So how would the Magisters contract this bio-weapon if it existed from an altercation between the elves and the Titans? Is the Golden City a contaminated remnant of the elves, a plague waiting to happen?  Just thinking it through, pondering the possibilities. 

That's what we're all pondering.

 

The Blight is definitively much older than the First Blight, that seems a safe bet.  But are the darkspawn?  Or did they actually originate with what happened to the Magisters?  Did the Blight start with a dead Titan?  What links it to the Old Gods?  How does all this relate to the Black City?

 

We are missing a lot of pieces.

 

EDIT: It might interest you to know that there's a Dissonant Verse of the Chant supposedly written by Archon Hessarion called the Canticle of Silence.  It describes the assault on the Golden City from reigning Magister's point of view and he also attributes the start of the Blight to them.

 

Ultimately though, nobody knows what happened in the City for sure except those that were there.  They just know that these magisters tried to go to the Golden City, which then turned black, and shortly thereafter Dumat emerged from the ground with a darkspawn horde.

[Almostfaceman]

That's what we're all pondering.

 

The Blight is definitively much older than the First Blight, that seems a safe bet.  But are the darkspawn?  Or did they actually originate with what happened to the Magisters?  Did the Blight start with a dead Titan?  What links it to the Old Gods?  How does all this relate to the Black City?

 

We are missing a lot of pieces.

 

Okay, good. At least I'm sorta on the same page as everyone else then. 

[leaguer of one]

Well that's interesting, so I can see the Chantry's point of view. It doesn't mean I think they're right, but they don't come across as imbecile's either. 

 

I'm not being argumentative, just don't see a direct connection between killing a Titan or Titans and the creation of the Blight. It does seem the Blight is a kind of cancer that can infect a Titan, however. Remnants of a Bio-weapon? 

 

So how would the Magisters contract this bio-weapon if it existed from an altercation between the elves and the Titans? Is the Golden City a contaminated remnant of the elves, a plague waiting to happen?  Just thinking it through, pondering the possibilities. 

In decent it points out that the blight and darkspawn are repealed by the titians.  But in traspasser it's hinted the dead titian some how got blighted and the ancient  elves had to seal it off.