Maybe the whole myth of Elgharnan and the rest of the Elven Pantheon is inaccurate, just like the Chant of Light is wrong about the Golden City and the Maker.
The Sun could refer to a thousand things. Maybe there wasn't even a Sun or light. But to speculate based on Dalish myth will only force people to draw superficial and erroneous conclusions about the Evanuris.
Maybe the whole myth of Elgharnan and the rest of the Elven Pantheon is inaccurate, just like the Chant of Light is wrong about the Golden City and the Maker.
The Sun could refer to a thousand things. Maybe there wasn't even a Sun or light. But to speculate based on Dalish myth will only force people to draw superficial and erroneous conclusions about the Evanuris.
While thing are wrong about elven lore there are thing that are correct.
There was something sealed away by the Evanuris that they depict in their artwork as the sun. Just look closely at the image I posted on the previous page from Tresspasser. Question is why was it sealed away and what is being represented by the fourteen black feathers with red eyes around the sun.Maybe the whole myth of Elgharnan and the rest of the Elven Pantheon is inaccurate, just like the Chant of Light is wrong about the Golden City and the Maker.
The Sun could refer to a thousand things. Maybe there wasn't even a Sun or light. But to speculate based on Dalish myth will only force people to draw superficial and erroneous conclusions about the Evanuris.
It stands to reason that there must have been a time when there were no Darkspawn, or the dwarven empire could never have been created. According to the dwarves themselves, the Darkspawn just appeared in the Deep Roads at some unspecified point and attacked them.The Blight is definitively much older than the First Blight, that seems a safe bet. But are the darkspawn? Or did they actually originate with what happened to the Magisters? Did the Blight start with a dead Titan? What links it to the Old Gods? How does all this relate to the Black City?
Does the Chantry actually say the darkspawn were cast "down"?
Sounds like that dwarf is just making **** up himself too.
Does the Chantry actually say the darkspawn were cast "down"?
Sounds like that dwarf is just making **** up himself too.
Good question I found this:
"Chantry version Edit
I would love to see more. If someone in Bioware wants to write another novel about this period, I'll per-order it just to get more information.
In trespasser you see a mural of a titan being slain.
An old memory is on it which states:
In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire.The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy.A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic.Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast.A voice whispers:"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."If the decent dlc is done, the quis points out it stated Mythal killing a titan.
This is why I thought the ancient elves were behind it. Solas tells us these (fake gods) mages were going to destroy the world. The DA2 clip tells us the Dalish didn't get it all wrong. Solas did play both sides. We know Old Gods are dragons.
Cory thought Dumat Old God Dragon wanted him to enter the Golden City. Was Cory tricked and it wasn't Dumat? Are Old Gods the forgotten ones?
Pretty sure the devs said just the other day that there are no new novels currently in the works.
I'll have to wait for DA4 then.
"HistoricalDumat, the Dragon of Silence, was the first and the most powerful among the Old Gods, ancient draconic beings said to be imprisoned underground by the Maker for usurping His worshipers.Dumat was the first of the Old Gods to turn into the Archdemon, which brought about the First Blight.In -2800 Ancient the Old Gods, including Dumat, began whispering to humanity from the Golden City. They taught the Neromenian dreamers magic, and these dreamers became the priests and rulers of their people.[1] According to the Chantry, the worship of the Old Gods was the Original Sin.[2]The early human kingdom of Barindur is said to have completely vanished in -1610 Ancient after losing favor with Dumat. Only a path and bare rock remain.[3]According to Archon Thalsian, Dumat was responsible for teaching him blood magic in -1595 Ancient.[4]Like the other Old Gods, Dumat endorsed the ancient Tevinter Magisters attempt to reach the Golden City and spoke to the High Priest of Dumat, Sethius Amladaris who used the alias, "The Conductor of Silence" and told them to join in the endeavour. [5]According to the Chantry, after the fall of the magisters in -395 Ancient (800 TE), the first darkspawn burrowed into Dumat's underground prison and the Old God was corrupted and transformed into the Archdemon, launching the First Blight. Some ancient lore says it was the other way around: it was Dumat who created the darkspawn and led them against Thedas, not the darkspawn who created the archdemon."That last part sounds pretty interesting. I guess it is found in The World of Thedas volume 1 pg 122.?????
It is. The exact wording is : "While the Chantry insists the darkspawn created the first Archdemon, some ancient lore says that Dumat created the first darkspawn and led them against Thedas." So far the game's always supported the Chantry's view: the Old Gods call to the darkspawn, the darkspawn dig them up and immediately corrupt them. I wonder how Dumat could have created the first darkspawn. He wakes up first and corrupts some dwarves into broodmothers ?
Also I feel like whatever's going on with Barindur is very relevant. I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere in DAO or DA2, but it popped up quite a few times during DAI (a few codex entries, dialogue with Solas). It's making hopeful we'll learn more about it in the next game.
Also I feel like whatever's going on with Barindur is very relevant. I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere in DAO or DA2, but it popped up quite a few times during DAI (a few codex entries, dialogue with Solas). It's making hopeful we'll learn more about it in the next game.
Maybe killing Mythal released the blight. Maybe it was a contained side effect Mythal got fighting the titans or just an innate vengeance at her betrayal.
Mythal is the All-Mother. Maybe her murder also resulted in darkspawn broodmothers.
Maybe Fen'Harel promised the elven gods and the forgotten ones a cure for the blight they got after killing Mythal. Maybe that was how he was able trick them into places he could lock them away.
Or maybe Fen'Harel created the blight which was the terrible weapon he covertly offered both the elven gods and the forgotten ones when he tricked them. He is after all the dread wolf.
This is why I thought the ancient elves were behind it. Solas tells us these (fake gods) mages were going to destroy the world. The DA2 clip tells us the Dalish didn't get it all wrong. Solas did play both sides. We know Old Gods are dragons.
Cory thought Dumat Old God Dragon wanted him to enter the Golden City. Was Cory tricked and it wasn't Dumat? Are Old Gods the forgotten ones?
Well,....it's not the first time someone tried to get humans to g to the golden city.
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Maybe killing Mythal released the blight. Maybe it was a contained side effect Mythal got fighting the titans or just an innate vengeance at her betrayal.
Mythal is the All-Mother. Maybe her murder also resulted in darkspawn broodmothers.
Maybe Fen'Harel promised the elven gods and the forgotten ones a cure for the blight they got after killing Mythal. Maybe that was how he was able trick them into places he could lock them away.
Or maybe Fen'Harel created the blight which was the terrible weapon he covertly offered both the elven gods and the forgotten ones when he tricked them. He is after all the dread wolf.
No, Mythal's death has nothing to do with stopping or starting the blight.
I'll have to wait for DA4 then.
Yes. there is. One with fenris and a comic called Mage killer.
Would just add to the above, that the eluvian we find in DAO is focussed on a black city where some unidentified monster seems to be. The eluvian is active and it seems to be from this that the dark spawn emerge; it is also tainted. Duncan smashes it to stop any more darkspawn coming through. In view of what we discover in the Descent and Trespasser, I think this eluvian did lead to the original "Black City" which is where there is a corrupted Titan and from where the darkspawn originate.
In DA2 when we first see the lyrium idol it does look a lot like Flemeth/Mythal. It would seem the dwarves of that ancient Thaig probably remembered her conquest of the titan and worshipped her. It may not have been her actual defeat that caused the corruption but the later greed of the evanuris for lyrium. It is probably her trying to stop them that caused them to kill her. It may even have been her death (her blood flowing into the lyrium) that started the corruption.
It is also possible that what Andraste saw in her visions was not Cory and co entering the Golden City but the earlier assault/attempted assault by the evanuris. Solas says that not all things you see in the Fade are entirely accurate and spirits do seem to alter what they show to something the person viewing them can understand. Andraste saw powerful mages entering a glittering city and since the only powerful mages in her experience were Tevinter Magisters, she interpreted them as being human. This would account for why it did show a shining city turning black at their approach. Whereas Cory was simply tricked into entering a portal to the Fade to the city that was really a reflection of the real black city underground, that instantly whisked him and his companions to the location of the real city; hence it being black on their arrival and them instantly being tainted. The seal having been breached, they and whatever was there before them, was able to escape into the Deep Roads.
Even the Chantry decided that the account of the assault in the Canticle of Silence was predominantly political propaganda by Hessarian to justify his purge of many Altus families who opposed him together with still existing priests of the old gods and removed it from the official chant. It is noticeable how in it the Archon is the hero of the tale and trying to stop and defend from the evil corrupted priests. So whilst it seems to fit with what we know of Corypheus and the Architect, it is likely he knew the code names of these priests and wove the rest of his story around them.
Even the Chantry decided that the account of the assault in the Canticle of Silence was predominantly political propaganda by Hessarian to justify his purge of many Altus families who opposed him together with still existing priests of the old gods and removed it from the official chant. It is noticeable how in it the Archon is the hero of the tale and trying to stop and defend from the evil corrupted priests. So whilst it seems to fit with what we know of Corypheus and the Architect, it is likely he knew the code names of these priests and wove the rest of his story around them.
1. This magister, Archon Hessarian spread the Andrastian faith through tevintor.
2.He also, kill Andraste out of mercy with his own sword when she was going to die by being burnt to death
3.He also told everyone how Andraste's Husband betrayed her.
4.His mom is also Eleni Zinovia the furture seer.
This petrified person you meet in the mage origin and witch hunt.
Ancient Elves started the Blight? Probably they seem to the cause of alot of things in the Thedas
Ancient Elves started the Blight? Probably they seem to the cause of alot of things in the Thedas
In their lust for power.
I would love the opportunity to go back to that time, and meet these ancient elves. I would expect them to be somewhat raw, blood thirsty and power hungry.
Also I feel like whatever's going on with Barindur is very relevant. I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere in DAO or DA2, but it popped up quite a few times during DAI (a few codex entries, dialogue with Solas). It's making hopeful we'll learn more about it in the next game.
According to Solas, Barindur is Thedas' Pompeii.
It is extremely likely that at bare minimum the Chantry got their iconography from the Elvhen "sun" stories. I mean just look at this:
Side note, this image still freaks me out. God damn evil feather eyes.
That image is indeed creepy. Here are some random musings about it:
This image is in a very similar style to the first mural in the rotunda (no surprise there), some aspects in particular: The diamond-shapes appear to be demons on the other mural, as it depicts them falling from the Breach. So, with that in mind, it would make sense if they were spirits/demons here as well.
So the circle is the fade, the outer edge is the veil, and below may be the seven old gods trapped in the earth. The two spheres above each Solas seem like the sun and the moon, since they're the right colours and in the sky. So I don't think the "sun" in the centre is actually the sun - again, no surprise there.
It took me a while to notice, but in the background of the fade portion of the tapestry, there is an outline of what looks like buildings - a city? There is only one city I know of in the fade, and that's where the Evanuris are said to be locked away. And as this thread is speculating, the blight may have been (mostly) quarantined there.
As for the "sun" and the eyes, they could be what Solas was afraid would end the world, or maybe it's a void-creature, like the ones Andruil hunted. Maybe it made the blight? Who knows? I do find it amusing that the Chantry got its emblem from something presumably evil, though. Is it the true Maker? That would be hilarious.
Elgar'nan is credited as the Sun-killer, and that mass of eyes is mentioned in the following codex:
According to Solas, Barindur is Thedas' Pompeii.
That image is indeed creepy. Here are some random musings about it:
This image is in a very similar style to the first mural in the rotunda (no surprise there), some aspects in particular: The diamond-shapes appear to be demons on the other mural, as it depicts them falling from the Breach. So, with that in mind, it would make sense if they were spirits/demons here as well.
So the circle is the fade, the outer edge is the veil, and below may be the seven old gods trapped in the earth. The two spheres above each Solas seem like the sun and the moon, since they're the right colours and in the sky. So I don't think the "sun" in the centre is actually the sun - again, no surprise there.
It took me a while to notice, but in the background of the fade portion of the tapestry, there is an outline of what looks like buildings - a city? There is only one city I know of in the fade, and that's where the Evanuris are said to be locked away. And as this thread is speculating, the blight may have been (mostly) quarantined there.
As for the "sun" and the eyes, they could be what Solas was afraid would end the world, or maybe it's a void-creature, like the ones Andruil hunted. Maybe it made the blight? Who knows? I do find it amusing that the Chantry got its emblem from something presumably evil, though. Is it the true Maker? That would be hilarious.
Elgar'nan is credited as the Sun-killer, and that mass of eyes is mentioned in the following codex:
SpoilerIs that the creature Elgar'nan is credited as defeating? Thoughts?
...Formless one?
Possibly.
Added, I think the black eyes around the sun are the forgotten ones. And the green and yellow circles out side the circle are the elven gods.
At this point I don't know how anyone can genuinely think everything isn't about and originating from the ancient elves and their deities. Further, differentiating/dissociating the Elven pantheon and the Old Gods is something I still see, perhaps optimistically (I'd also like them to be kept as entirely different "factions"). They're almost certainly of the same kind (Forgotten Ones included) from all that's been revealed, despite the actual religions themselves likely being very misinformed. Solas's passionate opposition to the Wardens' plan to prematurely kill the sleeping Old Gods, and Flemeth's interest in Kieran's Old God soul; they're obviously related.
This far in, just assume everything in Thedas is about the Elves/pantheon and/or a consequence of their actions.
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