At this point I don't know how anyone can genuinely think everything isn't about and originating from the ancient elves and their deities.
I don't know about "everything", but it's a lot. Still, even Solas wonders about the Maker somewhat.. shows that he doesn't know everything either.
Of course, he's a Master Troll... so who knows. Flemeth also liked telling the story of the Maker and Old Gods, when saving the Warden. But she's definitely a Master Troll. So again, who knows. 
At this point I don't know how anyone can genuinely think everything isn't about and originating from the ancient elves and their deities. Further, differentiating/dissociating the Elven pantheon and the Old Gods is something I still see, perhaps optimistically (I'd also like them to be kept as entirely different "factions"). They're almost certainly of the same kind (Forgotten Ones included) from all that's been revealed, despite the actual religions themselves likely being very misinformed. Solas's passionate opposition to the Wardens' plan to prematurely kill the sleeping Old Gods, and Flemeth's interest in Kieran's Old God soul; they're obviously related.
This far in, just assume everything in Thedas is about the Elves/pantheon and/or a consequence of their actions.
Listen, even Solas' tells you the ancient elves nearly destrory the world with their in fighting and magic. It's clear they are the spark of the conflict. And the old god I thin are great dragons, in the comic Silent grove a point is made that they are a key part of the world. Dragons blood is the worlds blood.
Vessels of Dreams
"Is there more to draconic intelligence than we have heretofore guessed at? ... and what accounts exist from the days of the Nevarran hunters record only mad rants and impossible tales of godhood."--From Flame and Scale, by Brother Florian, Chantry scholar, 9:28 Dragon.
"Echoes from a shadow realm, whispers of things yet to come. Thought's strange sister dwells in night, is swept away by dawning light. Of what do I speak?"--Brona
"Dreams", Of night to silence. Of Pride's slavery. Two from the forms of Dreams.
"A dream came upon me as my daughter slumbered beneath my heart. It told of her life and of her betrayal and death."--Brona
"There has not, after all, been a single recorded case of a dragon attempting to communicate or performing any act that could not likewise be attributed to a clever beast."--From Flame and Scale, by Brother Florian, Chantry scholar, 9:28 Dragon.
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Thanks. It seems our little ancient elves were not the good guys everyone thought they were (power hungry mad mages).
I wonder if the Titans were actually a more stable group?
Well that's interesting, so I can see the Chantry's point of view. It doesn't mean I think they're right, but they don't come across as imbecile's either.
I'm not being argumentative, just don't see a direct connection between killing a Titan or Titans and the creation of the Blight. It does seem the Blight is a kind of cancer that can infect a Titan, however. Remnants of a Bio-weapon?
So how would the Magisters contract this bio-weapon if it existed from an altercation between the elves and the Titans? Is the Golden City a contaminated remnant of the elves, a plague waiting to happen? Just thinking it through, pondering the possibilities.
I believe the blight is a totally different force and not ancient elven magic. Otherwise, Solas would've known about how it worked and thus found out about Corypheus' immortality technique. But he didn't. Therefore the blight either existed after the Evanuris' time or before them.I also believe that it is not Titan magic, because the taint infects people with a compulsion that directs them to the Black City, while lyrium directs them to the masters of it (Evanuris and the Titans).
The way I see it, the Evanuris waged a war against the Titans. They discovered that lyrium puts people under a compulsion and they took advantage of that, letting them ascend to godhood.
My guess is the Taint is a force that predates every civilization that ever appeared on Thedas. The only thing that it probably didn't predate is the "Maker" figure - the one who made Thedas and the Fade. It is the most supreme form of magic and the Evanuris were the first dreamers to ever discover its existence. In fact, they might even have felt curious about the Golden City and what lies inside there. I believe that before they attempted to invade the city, Mythal stopped them and got herself killed, then Solas stopped them by nerfing their abilities.
Solas is pretty much explicit that the ancient elven gods were awful tyrants.
We don't even know titans are people in the way we think. All we saw was one dwarf go a bit nuts at the end of descent after getting a lyrium laser to the face.
Did you do the war table missions for The Descent DLC? The one dwarf may have picked up Renn's body. In the end, Valta doesn't act nuts. She has a reasonable conversation with you. It seems as if she is very calm. She also states she would never harm you.
Why can't it be as simple as the Evanuris - in harvesting a Titan for their own ends - ended up polluting it in some way that created red lyrium and the blight? It doesn't have to be so insidious as a bio weapon. It can just be greed and incompetence.
It can be as simple as that. I wasn't making a pro-bio-weapon argument. It was just a train of thought.
But, the Blight is insidious, malevolent, effective, deadly. Not much a stretch for the imagination in considering it a weapon with the intent of taking down something massive like a Titan.
She acts completely nuts. She's talking about amorphous voices derived from a song only she (and few others) can hear, her entire demeanour changes, the messages she sends you are partly incoherent and certainly opaque, and her entire drive in life changed entirely. If people IRL started talking about being influenced actively by an unseen will only they can hear, we'd all be very worried about their connection with reality. Just because this is a magical setting - and the fact the voices might well be real - doesn't mean that the Titan is something we can treat as a person, and it doesn't mean that our dwarf companion is all there.Did you do the war table missions for The Descent DLC? The one dwarf may have picked up Renn's body. In the end, Valta doesn't act nuts. She has a reasonable conversation with you. It seems as if she is very calm. She also states she would never harm you.
It can be as simple as that. I wasn't making a pro-bio-weapon argument. It was just a train of thought.
But, the Blight is insidious, malevolent, effective, deadly. Not much a stretch for the imagination in considering it a weapon with the intent of taking down something massive like a Titan.
So we're all going to ignore the human Tevinter magisters who physically entered the Fade, became darkspawn, then brought their disease back to the physical world?
Jeez, any time something mildly suspect is revealed about the elves, everyone jumps to blame all Thedas' problems on them and absolve human characters of all responsibility.
So we're all going to ignore the human Tevinter magisters who physically entered the Fade, became darkspawn, then brought their disease back to the physical world?
Jeez, any time something mildly suspect is revealed about the elves, everyone jumps to blame all Thedas' problems on them and absolve human characters of all responsibility.
How are any of the things you say are being ignored... being ignored?
I'm a huge fan of the elves. But they were once a major player on the scene. They play a part. People are just trying to figure out what part.
I suggest a bubble bath, to help ease your stress.
Solas is pretty much explicit that the ancient elven gods were awful tyrants.
Maybe killing Mythal released the blight. Maybe it was a contained side effect Mythal got fighting the titans or just an innate vengeance at her betrayal.
Mythal is the All-Mother. Maybe her murder also resulted in darkspawn broodmothers.
Maybe Fen'Harel promised the elven gods and the forgotten ones a cure for the blight they got after killing Mythal. Maybe that was how he was able trick them into places he could lock them away.
Or maybe Fen'Harel created the blight which was the terrible weapon he covertly offered both the elven gods and the forgotten ones when he tricked them. He is after all the dread wolf.
I thought it was made very clear in Inquisition that Fen'Harel did not actually kill Mythal, so I'm not sure how these theories would be feasible.
Though I kinda hope that it turns out to not be quite as simple as that, either.
Not that he's lying or actually wrong, but that we're effectively getting something like Alistair's opinion on Loghain.
So we're all going to ignore the human Tevinter magisters who physically entered the Fade, became darkspawn, then brought their disease back to the physical world?
Jeez, any time something mildly suspect is revealed about the elves, everyone jumps to blame all Thedas' problems on them and absolve human characters of all responsibility.
So we're all going to ignore the human Tevinter magisters who physically entered the Fade, became darkspawn, then brought their disease back to the physical world?
Jeez, any time something mildly suspect is revealed about the elves, everyone jumps to blame all Thedas' problems on them and absolve human characters of all responsibility.
Do you remember Cory stated the city was already black when he got there? That means he didn't turn it black or start the corruption. He transported the corruption to a new location.
I believe the blight is a totally different force and not ancient elven magic. Otherwise, Solas would've known about how it worked and thus found out about Corypheus' immortality technique. But he didn't. Therefore the blight either existed after the Evanuris' time or before them.I also believe that it is not Titan magic, because the taint infects people with a compulsion that directs them to the Black City, while lyrium directs them to the masters of it (Evanuris and the Titans).
The way I see it, the Evanuris waged a war against the Titans. They discovered that lyrium puts people under a compulsion and they took advantage of that, letting them ascend to godhood.
My guess is the Taint is a force that predates every civilization that ever appeared on Thedas. The only thing that it probably didn't predate is the "Maker" figure - the one who made Thedas and the Fade. It is the most supreme form of magic and the Evanuris were the first dreamers to ever discover its existence. In fact, they might even have felt curious about the Golden City and what lies inside there. I believe that before they attempted to invade the city, Mythal stopped them and got herself killed, then Solas stopped them by nerfing their abilities.
Dude, Solas hint to knowing what it is when he critizied the wardens. He just underestimated Cory.
She acts completely nuts. She's talking about amorphous voices derived from a song only she (and few others) can hear, her entire demeanour changes, the messages she sends you are partly incoherent and certainly opaque, and her entire drive in life changed entirely. If people IRL started talking about being influenced actively by an unseen will only they can hear, we'd all be very worried about their connection with reality. Just because this is a magical setting - and the fact the voices might well be real - doesn't mean that the Titan is something we can treat as a person, and it doesn't mean that our dwarf companion is all there.
Just because she's not frothing at the mouth and attacking doesn't mean she's - by our standards - what we would consider as being all there.
Let me put it this way: the only others we hear speaking like her are ghouls in the early stage of being infected with the Blight.
Dude, she acts just like who ever drinks from the well of sorrows. She's not crazy.
It's still possible that the OG might've been shape-shifted ancient elves, either the Evanuris or the Forgotten One's, maybe another set of Elvhen.
Either way, elves did it, too
I thought it was made very clear in Inquisition that Fen'Harel did not actually kill Mythal, so I'm not sure how these theories would be feasible.
There are 2 random theories on the creation of the blight in my post.
First theory would be that it started with the betrayal of Mythal.
The second completely separate theory is that it would be interesting if Fen'Harel created both the veil and, intentionally or unintentionally, the blight. This guess wouldn't involve killing Mythal of course.
With the current lack of info there is room for dozens of possible theories on the creation of the blight. These are 2 possible theories on the origin of the blight I find interesting.
Too bad we couldn't get Solas to divulge more info. I imagine every power in Thedas wants to capture Solas for the potential knowledge he has.
They did. Solas said it in the main game, as well as in Trespasser. If you connect all the codex too, they are the first to unleash it. However Cory being an idiot along with the other Magisters brought the sealed Blight to Thedas after Solas tried to keep it away with the Veil. That's what I got from all the info gathered. The Black City was most likely a tainted Arlathan or part of the Elven empire.
Dude, she acts just like who ever drinks from the well of sorrows. She's not crazy.
Excellent analogy. That is what I thought. She seems very informed. As if she drank from the well of sorrows. I hope we see her in DA4.
It's still possible that the OG might've been shape-shifted ancient elves, either the Evanuris or the Forgotten One's, maybe another set of Elvhen.
Either way, elves did it, too
I don't know. DA:silent grove hints that they are not shift shaping elves.
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