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[GarrusIsABadass]

I think it's a lot better than Synthesis and Control, some people prefer them to save EDI, but my Shepard and Garrus is more important to us.

[themikefest]

 Just like more of an expanded version of the breath scene.

[GarrusIsABadass]

 Just like more of an expanded version of the breath scene.

 

They make things more clear, originally it just cuts to the scene, in the expanded version you see the LI see that she's alive, making it more explained, love it.

[themikefest]

They make things more clear, originally it just cuts to the scene, in the expanded version you see the LI see that she's alive, making it more explained, love it.

 Since Miranda and Jack are not on the ship to hold the nameplate, how would the character that is holding the nameplate have a "feeling" that Shepard survived?

[GarrusIsABadass]

I romanced Garrus, he's in all 3, as you know, they don't put the name down because they know that they're lover survived, someone at BioWare said that's what the scene is. I don't know what happens if you romance someone like Jack or Miranda

[Zana]

I like a lot of the companions, but let's face it, we just decided the fate of the universe.  I would not feel horribly bad sacrificing Shepard (even if I'd prefer not to) if it accomplished something, but...

 

Synthesis: Everyone was turned into a cyborg without their permission and somehow forced to like it.  Massive...mind rape. Reapers still exist.

Control:  A badly injured and traumatized (mostly) organic creature used to extremely limited lifespan is merged with an insane AI to control the most powerful machines in the galaxy for practically eternity.  Reapers still exist.

Destroy:  All AI (somehow) and Reaper derivative work (also, somehow) is annihilated, including the upgraded Geth and EDI.  Organic - synthetic conflict not resolved (the conflict has not arisen with EDI and Geth were perfectly willing to negotiate with Quarians even after the war).  Reapers destroyed. Shepard survives in an unknown state.

 

Based on all I've seen in the first 3 games, fist choice is simply morally wrong, second one is bound to cause problems down the line and third one allows the organics to live (and die) based on their own choices.

[themikefest]

I romanced Garrus, he's in all 3, as you know, they don't put the name down because they know that they're lover survived, someone at BioWare said that's what the scene is. I don't know what happens if you romance someone like Jack or Miranda

The nameplate is never put up when ems is over 3100 and destroy is picked. As I said in the post, someone else will hold the nameplate instead of Miranda or Jack since they're not on the ship

 

If they know without a doubt that Shepard is dead to put up the nameplate, then they would've known Shepard survived without having that "feeling" that Shepard survived.

[GarrusIsABadass]

The nameplate is never put up when ems is over 3100 and destroy is picked. As I said in the post, someone else will hold the nameplate instead of Miranda or Jack since they're not on the ship

 

If they know without a doubt that Shepard is dead to put up the nameplate, then they would've known Shepard survived without having that "feeling" that Shepard survived.

 

Yeah if you die they put the name on, it's a whole thing of them being your lover means they can "feel" it, like a soulmate thing

[Cheviot]

Destroy is the saddest death of all for Commander Shepard, regaining consciousness only to die amongst the rubble.  I mean, if he'd survived longer than a breath, you'd think he'd play a role in the reconstruction of the Milky Way - or at least Earth - even it was just an executive one.  But nope, he's not in a single one of those ending slides, while most of the principal characters appear.  The ones that survive, anyway.

 

Let's take a moment to future-remember high-EMS Destroy Shepard, who will be taken from us too soon.

[straykat]

Destroy is the saddest death of all for Commander Shepard, regaining consciousness only to die amongst the rubble.  I mean, if he'd survived longer than a breath, you'd think he'd play a role in the reconstruction of the Milky Way - or at least Earth - even it was just an executive one.  But nope, he's not in a single one of those ending slides, while most of the principal characters appear.  The ones that survive, anyway.

 

Let's take a moment to future-remember high-EMS Destroy Shepard, who will be taken from us too soon.

 

If he died, then it's not really sad. It's funny. Show a breath scene, only to be bleak. Would've been better to just blow **** up completely to begin with.

 

Seriously though, I think he lives. I just think it's a waste of time to get into it more than that.

[fraggle]

Shepard definitely lives with the breath scene. This was confirmed by devs. The LI or the friend of Shepard not putting the name plate on the memorial wall implies the hope they have to see Shepard again and that their assumption is correct

 

Why would you go collect all the EMS and then be "punished" by it by letting Shepard die nevertheless. No, the player made an effort and thus got the breath scene as a reward. Happy headcanoning

[Porygonman]

She told me to come back to her, so I did. Enter fanfiction.

[AlanC9]

It's kind of strange to interpret the scene as meaning anything other than Shepard surviving. If the scene's utterly meaningless, then why were we making such a fuss over the pre-EC EMS requirements?

[Cheviot]

It's kind of strange to interpret the scene as meaning anything other than Shepard surviving. If the scene's utterly meaningless, then why were we making such a fuss over the pre-EC EMS requirements?

I think the fuss was because it required people to play multiplayer, and that's bad because multiplayer is evil and youtube doesn't exist.  As for the scene itself, it was a throwaway "the end...OR IS IT???" easter egg, akin to the legendary endings in Halo.  In the more oblique original endings, there was possibly enough ambiguity for people who wanted it to imagine Shepard survived, but the EC endings all but remove the ambiguity and show a Milky Way with an absent Shepard.

[AlanC9]

Hmm.. you're literally the first person I've ever seen post that the EC makes Shepard's survival seem less possible.

[Faust1979]

I never cared enough to try and get a high EMS really

[Cheviot]

Hmm.. you're literally the first person I've ever seen post that the EC makes Shepard's survival seem less possible.

It makes sense if you take for granted that a lot of the criticism about ME3's endings is motivated by the wish to bring Shepard back from the dead again (i.e. if the ending can be dismissed or if Destroy is canonized, then Shepard can be headcanoned back to life); if that's true, then obviously people wouldn't want to look for proof that Shepard was even more dead than they originally thought.

[SwobyJ]

I value what Shepard has become by the end of all this content. A human Shepard.

 

As a selfish player, I want this (main playthrough) Shepard to survive.

 

EDI is not so very important. The Geth are important but I think I can take their sacrifice for the sake of a Reaper devastation.

 

I won't value future Shepards as much and I'll be able to be more impartial and utilitarian and idealistic (in varying levels based on Shepard) about the ending decision. 

[Quarian Master Race]

It's awesome. My character lives and all the goddamn toasters get blown up.

 

Meatbags: 1. Robots: 0

[voteDC]

I've never seen the breath scene, either incarnation, as a confirmation that Shepard lives.

A corpse can take a breath. Shepard has sustained terrible injuries, chances are if Shepard was alive in that scene then the breath was their last one.

The memorial board scene could simply be the love interests desire for Shepard to be alive, not a confirmation of it.

As I said at the opening, I just can't see the breath scene as a confirmation that Shepard survives. Bioware have kept it so vague that it can be easily read either way.

[fraggle]

As I said at the opening, I just can't see the breath scene as a confirmation that Shepard survives. Bioware have kept it so vague that it can be easily read either way.

 

Devs stated here on this forum that Shepard survives, and the LI has hope to see them again, and is correct about this assumption.

I don't know what else is needed. Plus you said it yourself, it can be both ways, living or dying, but it's intended for Shep to survive.

It's almost as if some people want Shepard dead. And that you can have anyway, so why include the breath scene? That doesn't make sense, especially not given that you have to do a lot of stuff in the game in order to see it.

[voteDC]

Bioware also said that everyone you help on the Citadel survives, despite it being turned into a harvesting station and getting blown into pieces. What they say doesn't always gel with what they show on screen.

Why include it if Shepard was going to die? Easy. Shepard lives just long enough to know that they achieved their goal, destruction of the Reapers. They can go to the bar to wait for Garrus knowing that they won.

That's the thing. You can easily take the scene either way. If the scene was meant to be a confirmation of life, then why make the scene so vague that people can read it another way.

[Cheviot]

 They can go to the bar to wait for Garrus knowing that they won.

No, that's not a tear in my eye it's...it's...dust.  Yes, that's right, just some dust; no way am I on the verge of tears due to that reference. No way.

[Ahglock]

That's the thing. You can easily take the scene either way. If the scene was meant to be a confirmation of life, then why make the scene so vague that people can read it another way.

Because it's cheaper to do a breath than a full scene of him walking around.

[Ajensis]

Why include it if Shepard was going to die? Easy. Shepard lives just long enough to know that they achieved their goal, destruction of the Reapers.

 

It's possible, but I think it was clearly designed to convey what most people interpreted it as. If it were meant to say what you're suggesting, it would've worked better as, for instance, a longer moment with a slow intake and an equally slow exhale. Possibly a shot of Shepard's face closing his/her eyes with a somewhat content, or at least peaceful, look on the commander's face. Something more final and ending. What we have instead is a sharp inhale that it immediately cuts away from - I think this favours the notion that this is a twist on the previous assumption of Shepard dying, and the instant cut encouraging us to continue the trail of thought ourselves (namely, "Shepard is alive? What happens next?").