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[XXIceColdXX]

After Bioware/EA High level Brass debate about it enough, they will decide bringing Shepard back is a licence to print money. This ending will become canon and will lead to Shepard's triumphant return in ME5.

 

Calling it.

 

 

[themikefest]

After Bioware/EA High level Brass debate about it enough, they will decide bringing Shepard back is a licence to print money. This ending will become canon and will lead to Shepard's triumphant return in ME5.

 

Calling it.

I mentioned several times that Shepard may return. Here's a post.

[Cheviot]

After Bioware/EA High level Brass debate about it enough, they will decide bringing Shepard back is a licence to print money. This ending will become canon and will lead to Shepard's triumphant return in ME5.

 

Calling it.

But how will they explain Shepard coming back from the dead?  I mean, if they do it with Destroy, they can easily do it with Synthesis or Control too.

[niniendowarrior]

What do I think of Shep surviving the destroy option?  Simple.  BioWare wanted to give players a little bit of good news after the annihilation of all synthetic existence by having a little insert to say: "Look!  Shepard is alive!  Don't despair." 

 

Spoiler

Yes, the guy who chose to destroy all geth and reapers is still alive, oh, and probably the batarians as well. lol.

 

To me, the insert makes no sense in the context of what has transpired, but I'm not hung up about it.  Shepard is alive?  Cool.  Start a new game and create a new Shepard.

[AlanC9]

But how will they explain Shepard coming back from the dead? I mean, if they do it with Destroy, they can easily do it with Synthesis or Control too.

Shepard isn't seen to die in Destroy. Shepard is physically disintegrated in Control and Synthesis. That's a fairly significant difference

[AlanC9]

This I suppose it why the scene is so effective, it shows people what they want to see. The first time I played I was "yes, she's made it" when the breath scene played.
Yet that first playthrough was a 'perfect' run. Shepard was paragon, in love, and everyone had lived.
Then I did a renegade run with an insular Shepard who got lots of people killed. I did get enough war assets to get the breath scene but I felt a different perspective on it because of how I had played that Shepard. That Shepard may have won the same victory but she died alone without the memory of friends and family to comfort her passing.

Hmm... doesn't this mean that the ambiguous approach is better? You get to interpret the scene however it fits for you, rather than the devs forcing one interpretation on you.

[Cheviot]

Shepard isn't seen to die in Destroy. Shepard is physically disintegrated in Control and Synthesis. That's a fairly significant difference

We saw him walk into an explosion that completely envelopes him, though I do admit Destroy doesn't have the drawn out disintergration Control or Synthesis has.  It can't, considering he has to survive until he wakes up buried under rubble.  After that breath, there is absolutely no evidence that Shepard - suffering from extensive burns and bloodloss as he was - ever made it out from under that rubble.  As I've said, if he had survived, he would've appeared in the ending slides, helping rebuild the galaxy he saved.

[AlanC9]

That conclusion doesn't follow.

[Jeniva]

I think it's pretty hilarious that people want to say Shepard is dead in high EMS destroy when it is really very clear they are alive, and devs have confirmed it. 

But ok. Enjoy your 'dead' shep. 

My first play through which was only this year was high EMS destroy Shepard lives ending. And damn it i'll do it again. 

I think they left it as a breath scene because firstly it might be hard to try and explain wtf happened to the citadel. And also it's a bit of a cliff hanger letting people discuss it. But years later it is confirmed shep lives. 
There was a lot of loose ends really in regards to the relays, normandy (how do they know people live/die if coms are probably down?) etc etc. 

 

Destroy is probably the only ending I'll ever choose to be honest. 

I don't care too much about Shepard living/dying, but it does give a positive note considering the fate of the geth and EDI. 

[Cheviot]

That conclusion doesn't follow.

I guess there's another reason why the guy who lead the galaxy to victory doesn't appear in any of the ending slides, even the one in London, the city he was immediately above when he apparently survived getting shot by Harbinger, getting shot again by TIM, taking the full force of an explosion (which incidently also shut down the synthetic parts of him keeping Shepard alive) and having all that masonry fall on him.  I look forward to reading it.

[Jeniva]

I think Shepard wouldn't appear in the slides because hell they'd probably be in hospital for a long time then I'd imagine they'd just retire. I'd want to retire if I'd been through that hell! And maybe a slide of: Commander Shepard recovered and lived happily ever after, just wasn't bioware's style. 
In DA the hero just disappears at the end of each game as well. 

[fraggle]

I think Shepard wouldn't appear in the slides because hell they'd probably be in hospital for a long time then I'd imagine they'd just retire. I'd want to retire if I'd been through that hell! And maybe a slide of: Commander Shepard recovered and lived happily ever after, just wasn't bioware's style. 
In DA the hero just disappears at the end of each game as well. 

 

Agreed. Also, very likely I picture my Shepard's future differently than others do, so it would be hard to have one slide that expresses all these different futures, the devs are not psychic

The ending is so open as to what Shepard's up to next, that's why we don't get anything. And personally, I am very glad for this.

[Quarian Master Race]

We saw him walk into an explosion that completely envelopes him, though I do admit Destroy doesn't have the drawn out disintergration Control or Synthesis has. It can't, considering he has to survive until he wakes up buried under rubble. After that breath, there is absolutely no evidence that Shepard - suffering from extensive burns and bloodloss as he was - ever made it out from under that rubble. As I've said, if he had survived, he would've appeared in the ending slides, helping rebuild the galaxy he saved.

Yep, and thats also why all the current crew of the Normandy (including people equally if not more important to their respective species governments) also don't show up in said slides. You aren't supposed to interpret it taking off from the Eden planet as survival. It simply flies into the sun immediately after.

What an absurd conclusion.

[Cheviot]

You aren't supposed to interpret it taking off from the Eden planet as survival. It simply flies into the sun immediately after.

Why would you say that when EDI narrates the Synthesis slides?  We can say with some certainty that at least the Normandy and EDI gets back in one peice.

[AlanC9]

You do realize that post was only there to make fun of you, right?

[MrMrPendragon]

I feel like there was no way Shepard could've survived High EMS Destroy, even if I wanted him to survive.

 

All the ships near the Citadel are either gone or destroyed and all the relays are destroyed, including the Citadel. At the very least the Citadel's mass effect fields are gone meaning Shepard is exposed to open space. He either dies from hypothermia or suffocation.

 

Even if the Citadel is still ok, no one could've gone there fast enough to go through the rubble and treat Shepard's injuries. He was already f*cked by Harbinger before he even got to the Citadel, but then he activates destroy and goes towards the explosion, which I'm assuming only made his injuries even worse.

 

What makes sense is that the breath scene was actually Shepard gasping for air but there's none to be found so he suffocates and dies LOL

 

Either that or he still dies, but then they bring him back to life...again

[fraggle]

I feel like there was no way Shepard could've survived High EMS Destroy, even if I wanted him to survive.

 

All the ships near the Citadel are either gone or destroyed and all the relays are destroyed, including the Citadel. At the very least the Citadel's mass effect fields are gone meaning Shepard is exposed to open space. He either dies from hypothermia or suffocation.

 

Even if the Citadel is still ok, no one could've gone there fast enough to go through the rubble and treat Shepard's injuries. He was already f*cked by Harbinger before he even got to the Citadel, but then he activates destroy and goes towards the explosion, which I'm assuming only made his injuries even worse.

 

What makes sense is that the breath scene was actually Shepard gasping for air but there's none to be found so he suffocates and dies LOL

 

Either that or he still dies, but then they bring him back to life...again

 

Why is the ME field gone? The Citadel still floats around in space, it doesn't fall down to Earth, does it? Also the tower where Shepard was during the end also still stands, it's not gone or aynthing. Then there are supposed to be survivors on the Citadel. We never got this shown in-game, but the devs talked about shelters that would keep everyone we knew safe and that we can assume everyone we know survives. I myself am content with this. The Citadel still looks somewhat okay and maybe the explosion looked worse than it was.

Anyway, you can headcanon whatever. Maybe let someone on the bridge yell at Hackett to mobilize remaining people on Earth and get their asses on the Citadel asap. Or the people on the Citadel find Shepard. Shepard has more lives than a cat, so why should they die in the breath scene? I imagine it's very close to death, but they're tough enough to hold out. At least for me

[Cheviot]

You do realize that post was only there to make fun of you, right?

But in order to make fun of any errors in my interpretation he should've avoided them in his, otherwise that neuters his intent.

[German Soldier]

I mentioned several times that Shepard may return. Here's a post.

ah ah,I don't think so,Shepard is over, let it go.

[themikefest]

ah ah,I don't think so,Shepard is over, let it go.

If you read the link I provided, you will notice that I mentioned I wouldn't lose any sleep if Shepard wouldn't come back.

[Quarian Master Race]

Why would you say that when EDI narrates the Synthesis slides? We can say with some certainty that at least the Normandy and EDI gets back in one peice.

How does EDI surviving in a completely different ending have anything to do with what happens in Destroy( you know, that ending where it obviously dies)?

If your premise is that individuals not being part of ending slides despite galactic importance = dead than it also applies to every other Normandy bound character in the Destroy ending. Your logic is the dumb. Deal with it.

If you weren't supposed to interpret it as Shep's survival, than there's no narrative reason for even including the two extra scenes in high EMS destroy, but not low or moderate EMS. Stop looking for reasons to cry about the endings.

[Reorte]

I think it's pretty hilarious that people want to say Shepard is dead in high EMS destroy when it is really very clear they are alive, and devs have confirmed it.

"The devs have confirmed it" - doesn't really matter, what's in the game counts. As for what's in the game it only says "alive" due to "why else would it have been put in?" rather than from what it actually shows, which makes it a pretty hopeless message of doing so (if it was some real CCTV footage the reaction would be "well, that guy might've just about been alive then but he'll almost certainly be dead now"). So it only works by considering out-of-universe motivations, so pretty hopeless.

[Canned Bullets]

I think its supposed to give players hope about Shepard and probably open up a way to introduce him into the next trilogy like other posters have mentioned. Destroy would be perfect if it didn't kill the friendly AI like EDI and the Geth.

[Quarian Master Race]

Destroy would be perfect if it didn't kill the "friendly" AI like EDI and the Geth.

That's the best part, and indeed the whole point of the Destroy ending. If all toasters aren't destroyed than the Crucible's destroy function isn't eliminating the fundamental organic-synthetic problem and thus serves no purpose.

[ZipZap2000]

Cant really bring Shep back from Synthesis without cloning they got vaporized and I'm not saying that it isn't an option here Shepard has already been resurrected once. I'm fairly sure they will return its a matter of when.

 

The only ending that was bad was the original unextended ones, high ems destroy is useful for a happier ending that stays too true to the 'Reapers must die.' philosophy. If that's what you're going for its great.